dude, right now at bass pro there is a ice fishing year end sale! they have been out of the pro since december! i seen the guide today for 267.00, and that new 4 man a whomping 667.00, i think it's regularly 899.00. scout was a decent price at 167.00. i think when i am due for a new shanty, i will fish with the one i currently have until late january and then get the guide. i will probably take the one seat out and strictly use it for a oversized one man. plus taking that extra seat out with lighten up the shanty by 15-20 pounds.