I never meant for this to turn into a "wife" conversation. but all mine cares about is that i have a rope and my picks with me so i can live with that literally! And btw i am already talking about trying to get some guys on Erie or somewhere in a permy for the bachelor party. Been downtown and to the clubs a cpl times already for bachelor parties and i just wanted something a little different for mine. thought it might be cheap if i get enough guys. Mind you im just over and hour south of downtown Chicago. Any suggestions?