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K, I'll have to give that a try. Is the ice pretty safe in that area? What time is a good time to go out for either the herring and coho or perch? Also what are you using for lure/bait? Waxies and med fats? Sorry about all the questions, but thanks for the info.One more question. Any point in throwing down a couple tip ups, there anything around there that will hit it? Thanks.