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Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« on: Mar 06, 2013, 02:15 PM »
Just wanted to make everyone aware of the public comment period that is going on for the eradication of walleye in Noxon.  If you haven't seen it, there is a growing thread in the Noxon "Reports and Conditions" area.  Jay Helfrich has posted the link to the comment area in that thread.  Let FWP know your opinion, whether for or against the shocking and gill netting of walleye in Noxon. 

http://fwp.mt.gov/news/publicNotices/environmentalAssessments/restorationAndRehab/pn_0114.html
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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #1 on: Mar 06, 2013, 07:52 PM »
Thank you for sharing this again.  We all need to voice our opinions.

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #2 on: Mar 06, 2013, 08:52 PM »
Thanks for the heads up.  Just gave them eye two cents.....oops, I mean my two cents.



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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #3 on: Mar 06, 2013, 09:06 PM »
This document is perhaps one of the most illogical I have read of it's sort. Seems to me more people would travel to area to take advantage of a thriving walleye fishery...and the sport species they are trying to save are introduced bass, pike and perch? All of which do very well together in lakes and rivers all over the continent. Pike are far more likely to over populate or decimate perch and walleye than the other way round. Why use eastern waters as examples when Peck is right here?

It does not mention movement up stream, which I was assuming was their fear.

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #4 on: Mar 06, 2013, 09:16 PM »
Save the eyes!!! ;D

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #5 on: Mar 06, 2013, 11:29 PM »
I asked FWP a few years ago why they didn't stock walleye in the Western District. I was amazed at his obvious hatred for the walleye. He made sure we understood that would never happen if they had any say in it!  >:(

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #6 on: Mar 06, 2013, 11:33 PM »
Just posted my comment.  Leave Noxon the way it is!  We need an Eye' fishery in Western MT.

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #7 on: Mar 06, 2013, 11:45 PM »
Theyve flat out got their heads on backwards and a stick up their...es . Amazing how braindead even the govt of wildlife csn be. Never have walleye had a negative effect on an ecosystem nor will they ever.. guess they wana save the "minnows"  ???

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #8 on: Mar 07, 2013, 06:50 AM »
sucks when they beat around the bush talking about pike perch but its all about the worthless bull trout. look into mt fwp site on their stocking all they like is trout everwhere so when did fishing go from a tradition to sport in mt? i guess when it turn to its all about$$$$

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #9 on: Mar 07, 2013, 07:37 AM »
This is an attempt by Trout Unlimited lobbing the proper channels to eliminate the angling experience for everyone except the fly rod.  I can see no other explanation.   I have read and I am still reading/researching several docs concerning the whole Columbia Basin Lake and Stream Management Plan.  Overall plan is the reduce or eliminate the entire non-native fish from all waters in Washington, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, California Sierra, Colorado, Oregon and Montana.

I am not exaggerating.  I have the 364 page plan I am using as reference.  I was attempting to write a commentary to accompany this doc but there is TO MUCH TO LIST.  To my surprises all these waters are controlled/administered by CSKT and BPA with added incentives from tax dollars are funding the demise of the fisheries.
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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #10 on: Mar 07, 2013, 09:04 AM »
We've got to keep this front and center in order to beat MFWP on their ridiculous eradication proposal.  They've already got the wheels in motion to implement this thing immediately following the public comment date.  That means unless there is compelling objections (real hard numbers) to their proposal, it's a done deal.  Don't let these clowns mess with our fishery.  They work for us . . . not Trout Unlimited.  Get your family, friends and neighbors to weigh in on this before it's too late.  There's a petition floating around Missoula which opposes MFWP's plans.  I suggest creating your own objection petition & gathering as many signatures as possible.  Make sure to get it in on time.  It's our only hope.

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #11 on: Mar 07, 2013, 10:47 AM »
I was expecting to see Trout Unlimited mentioned eventually. I don't have the documentation to show the money trail, but would like to see it. I have always thought there to be a trout bias in Montana, especially since talking to various folks about the Ft. Peck hatchery issues. Other people have lead me to believe that the regulations in the western/central districts seem to cater to fly fisherman. So if the TU groups are behind eliminating "non-native" fish in Noxon, it would not surprise me, but I have not seen the proof to confirm my speculation.

Protecting "Native Fish" is a warm fuzzy feeling phrase that seems designed to appeal to emotion rather then reason. Sort of like bills in congress always have names like the "Patriot Act" or "Dream Act". Native Fish do not include most trouts. Only Bull Trout and Cut-Throat are native. Interestingly enough sauger, pike, Sturgeon, and channel catfish are all native. Correct me if wrong. Everything else is some sort of minnow. Perhaps FWP can release a statement encouraging the benefits of catching native minnow species like they did on the Colorado River.

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #12 on: Mar 07, 2013, 02:28 PM »
Rumor has it that the objection petition is circulating various bars around Missoula.  It's going to be at the Sunrise Bar & Casino this afternoon and evening.  Where it's headed after that is anyone's guess but as I find out, I'll let this forum know.  Lets stop these clowns from exterminating our walleyes.  Get involved!

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #13 on: Mar 07, 2013, 04:37 PM »
dont rely on petitions, too many times they get "counted" as one comment.  100 emails carry far more weight than 100 signatures on a petition...I don't make the rules, just conveying what I have been told by folks who have and do take comments in various government organizations...
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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #14 on: Mar 07, 2013, 07:10 PM »
Sadly I don't think FWP cares what we say.  You could get 95% of the Montana population to speak against it and they'll still do whatever they want.  My experience with comment periods is they do it as a way to make us feel like they care about our opinion while really they already know what they're going to do.  With that being said, speak out and hope for the best....

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #15 on: Mar 07, 2013, 07:21 PM »
Don't know about an entire petition counting as one vote but IMHO you're wrong.  Each and every signature to a contrary opinion is just that . . . a counted vote against an agenda.  I just came back from the Sunrise Casino in Missoula (and trust me), there are plenty of signatory's there who are P.O.D. at what's going on.  They don't want MFWP to destroy another great fishery.  MFWP can't ignore this tide.  The fact is, whether you personally email or sign a petition, your vote is counted unless you live in Russia.  Make you position known today!   

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #16 on: Mar 07, 2013, 07:54 PM »
Don't know about an entire petition counting as one vote but IMHO you're wrong.  Each and every signature to a contrary opinion is just that . . . a counted vote against an agenda.  I just came back from the Sunrise Casino in Missoula (and trust me), there are plenty of signatory's there who are P.O.D. at what's going on.  They don't want MFWP to destroy another great fishery.  MFWP can't ignore this tide.  The fact is, whether you personally email or sign a petition, your vote is counted unless you live in Russia.  Make you position known today!   

Petitions are generally discounted especially compared to actual comments, and even more so, an actual contact or discussion with a decision maker. Just the way the system works.

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #17 on: Mar 07, 2013, 08:24 PM »
Petitions are generally discounted especially compared to actual comments, and even more so, an actual contact or discussion with a decision maker. Just the way the system works.

I thought this was mother Russia, especially after seeing all the legislation going around. The Montana Cats board came to the same conclusion concerning limits, public comments are taken, but they still do what they want.

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #18 on: Mar 07, 2013, 08:35 PM »
Just a fact of life concerning our sort of representative democracy. The wheel needs to be really squeaky to be noticed.

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #19 on: Mar 07, 2013, 09:11 PM »
I thought this was mother Russia, especially after seeing all the legislation going around. The Montana Cats board came to the same conclusion concerning limits, public comments are taken, but they still do what they want.

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #20 on: Mar 08, 2013, 06:08 PM »
Don't know about an entire petition counting as one vote but IMHO you're wrong.  Each and every signature to a contrary opinion is just that . . . a counted vote against an agenda.  I just came back from the Sunrise Casino in Missoula (and trust me), there are plenty of signatory's there who are P.O.D. at what's going on.  They don't want MFWP to destroy another great fishery.  MFWP can't ignore this tide.  The fact is, whether you personally email or sign a petition, your vote is counted unless you live in Russia.  Make you position known today!   

Think what you want...I am just relaying what PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY STUDY THE COMMENTS tell me works and doesnt work...As for me, I will be submitting a single comment and not relying on a petition to state how I feel.
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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #21 on: Mar 08, 2013, 10:37 PM »
Sadly I don't think FWP cares what we say.  You could get 95% of the Montana population to speak against it and they'll still do whatever they want.  My experience with comment periods is they do it as a way to make us feel like they care about our opinion while really they already know what they're going to do.  With that being said, speak out and hope for the best....

Sadly you are correct, I have seen this with other aspects of FWP and the state doing what THEY want and not listen to who foots the bill and uses the outdoors in this state. 
They are not stocking Yellowtail with walleye now because of the worry that they will cross breed with the sauger. They have stocked it for years and Yellowtail/Bighorn is known to have the purest strain of Sauger in  its waters.   Its way easy to tell the difference between the two on that lake.  Another example of TU killing walleye is the Missouri below the dams. Look at what has been done to them with the regs on  walleye when there are hardly any left between Helena and Great Falls.    Oh yeah and to the fly fishermen, Walleye can and do strike flys

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #22 on: Mar 09, 2013, 09:06 AM »
Don't know about an entire petition counting as one vote but IMHO you're wrong.  Each and every signature to a contrary opinion is just that . . . a counted vote against an agenda.  I just came back from the Sunrise Casino in Missoula (and trust me), there are plenty of signatory's there who are P.O.D. at what's going on.  They don't want MFWP to destroy another great fishery.  MFWP can't ignore this tide.  The fact is, whether you personally email or sign a petition, your vote is counted unless you live in Russia.  Make you position known today!   

This might be what the talking points are from agencies collecting comments, but this IS NOT REALITY!  Frankly, that might even be a good thing because environmental groups are very good at sending petitions to all of their members and getting thousands of mindless electronic signatures; those thousands of signatures, from people with no clue regarding the situation frequently far outnumber other comments.

The best thing to do is write a short, personal response.  It takes literally 5 minutes or less.  I can promise you that if FWP got thousands of negative responses and a big public backlash, they would back peddle.  But, generally, most of the time hunters and fishermen are very lackluster in regards to actually following through and doing anything....but they (we) sure talk a lot about and complain uselessly.  If we put 10% as much effort into making comments through proper channels it would make a big difference. 

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #23 on: Mar 09, 2013, 09:21 AM »
You can't b***h if you don't speak your piece.

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #24 on: Mar 09, 2013, 09:36 AM »
I'm a die hard fly fisherman I fish for walleye all the time with my flyrod so watch ur tongue when talking about all flyFisherman. I hope Ur referring 2 all the yuppy out of staters that come in just for the world class trout fishing I would way rather catch walleye on Flyrod then the speckled carp. N I bag the differ that thier r hardly any walleye between helena n great falls we have no problem going out and slamming the walleye just the other day we were on hauser by York an tore up the walleye. So u must not be able 2 find them.
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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #25 on: Mar 09, 2013, 09:40 AM »
Here are my comments that I will submit...didn't take any more time than it takes to comment on this thread.

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I’d like to take a moment to comment on the walleye suppression recommendations for Noxon Reservoir.  As a sportsman who lives in Western, MT, I hope that my voice will be heard.  First, I would like to state that I know MTFWP deeply cares about our natural resources and about our local communities.  The passion of individual MTFWP employees is almost always exemplary.  Unfortunately, politics often get in the way and do not allow MTFWP, nor its staff to utilize their passion and skills in ways that benefit our local communities.  I would urge MTFWP to take a different direction on this project and to LISTEN to the local citizens.  Don’t destroy a fishery that is desired by the majority of local citizens in order to satisfy special interests and a larger political machine!  Comments from local Montana citizens have become increasingly critical of MTFWP over the recent past, this is BECAUSE MTFWP is NOT listening to local citizens!  It is to MTFWP’s detriment to ignore the local populace and it undermines the agency and its wonderful staff as they try to work cooperatively with local communities.  Community members in Western, Montana (myself included) strongly desire a functional walleye fishery, Noxon could be such a fishery.   Consider that Noxon is already awash with non-native fish (smallmouth and largemouth bass and northern pike) and is targeted hard by anglers seeking these species; allowing walleye to flourish in this fishery will do precious little to harm the already compromised native fishery. 
It is no small secret that Thompson Falls and adjacent communities have been hard-hit economically over the recent past.  It is also common knowledge that anglers will willingly travel from larger adjacent communities (Missoula, Kalispell, Idaho, etc.), to target walleye in Noxon.  It makes perfect sense to marry these two parts together so that local citizens can benefit from the added tourism.  In fact, MTFWP should not be targeting suppression of walleyes in Noxon, but rather should be reviewing ways to grow the fishery in healthy and sustainable ways, this is what the public wants.
At a time when budgets are tight and growing potentially tighter, WHY would MTFWP spend large sums of money on a ‘gamble’ to rid Noxon of walleyes, even when reality dictates that elimination of walleyes is not possible and that continued suppression efforts would be required, at additional cost in the future?  Not only will MTFWP proposal cost money, but that money will be spent completing a task that the local citizens disagree with!  I understand that significant funds will be spent from special interest groups; MTFWP should be leery of using such funds to complete projects in their constituents’ backyards against the wishes of the neighborhood.  MTFWP has a strong and proud tradition in Montana and has gained a solid reputation over time.  Having traveled and lived in multiple states, I can confidently say that MTFWP are the envy of most other state game management agencies within the nation.  At this juncture however, as a result of this and other management decisions, MTFWP is on a dangerous trajectory that will soon sour their reputation and ability to work with local populations.  Listen now and heed the desires of your local communities or the agency will be eventually undermined and forever damaged.  I support MTFWP, I support their personnel and their passion; I don’t however support MTFWP ignorance towards local citizens.  I don’t support walleye suppression efforts in Noxon.  I certainly don’t support elevating special interests and outside monies to destroy a fishery that is strongly desired by the local community!
In closing, please, please, please listen to local input.  Don’t do it for Noxon reservoir, do it because it is the right thing to do for both the local community and for the agency and its dedicated staff. 

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #26 on: Mar 09, 2013, 10:16 AM »
Excellent comment wingnutty!!!!! That was very well worded-

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #27 on: Mar 09, 2013, 10:43 AM »
Wow, perfect!!! I got chills reading that.

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #28 on: Mar 09, 2013, 05:00 PM »
Your comments are spot on and come from the heart.  I feel that habitat rehabilitation would be far superior choice of help for the species of concern.

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Re: Noxon Reservoir Walleye - public comment period
« Reply #29 on: Mar 09, 2013, 06:28 PM »
Hoorah!  Well put Wingnutty.  We need more well thought out comments of this nature in order to swing the tide on this potentially devastating purge.  I urge all sportsmen who actively use this fishery to speak out before it's too late.  Thanks for paying attention.

 



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