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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #30 on: Feb 03, 2014, 10:22 PM »
That is a little misleading. They work right out of the box and updates are very rare. I seem to remember that you run Lowrance on your boat. How many times have you updated the Lowrance over the past 3 years to fix glitches compared to the number of downloads Marcum has issued over the same time period?


Every time there is a new update so about once a year some years were twice. If one comes out this year will do it to if they continue updates for the Gen 1 units

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #31 on: Feb 04, 2014, 08:42 AM »


Every time there is a new update so about once a year some years were twice. If one comes out this year will do it to if they continue updates for the Gen 1 units

http://www.lowrance.com/en-US/Software-Updates/

It looks to me like the updates are few and far between if you look at any particular unit. The Elite had one back in 2012 and the elite 7 had one more in 2013. Other than that you are talking very few updates per particular unit and certainly far less than the LX 6 and 7 have seen and those updates are not because guys can't get them to do basic functions. Anything like the HDS, the structure scan, side imaging etc us useless in hardwater for the most part. The elite series and the HB graphs are good right out of the box. 

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #32 on: Feb 04, 2014, 09:48 AM »
I've been a sexy vexi guys for 10 plus years. I own a marcum lx-5 and fl-12. I've been wanting a lx7 for 2 years or so but due to bad ice years and plenty of post highlighting their problems I've held off. My buddy just got a lx6 and boy is it sweet everything I thought it should be and more. So ya ill probably get a 6 or 7 but I'm not sure I'd take a chance on it if I didn't have two awesome back ups. And I have seen the 28 in action and its a sweet piece of machinery as well. O ya I use my fl-12 more than the lx-5 because the larger screen. Yes the 5 is a lot better for certain things but like any man the bigger the screen the better ;D

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #33 on: Feb 04, 2014, 10:27 AM »
I run HDS the elites aren't up to par for open water use to me anyway. I have ran the LX-7 since it came out and now have 2. I updated the new one to 4.07 still run 2.9 on the old one but will update that one before a tourney this Saturday. .. I see the updates as having a new up to date unit without having to sell the old one to buy a new one... it is the way of the future...

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #34 on: Feb 04, 2014, 12:47 PM »
as long as marcum gives you options to install and reinstall yourself different versions and it won't screw things up on the unit doing this.then i think you would have alot more happier consumers.and a better product.moving forward.

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #35 on: Feb 04, 2014, 02:53 PM »
That is a little misleading. They work right out of the box and updates are very rare. I seem to remember that you run Lowrance on your boat. How many times have you updated the Lowrance over the past 3 years to fix glitches compared to the number of downloads Marcum has issued over the same time period?

My lx6 worked right out of the box.  No updates needed.  I don't need to update ever again if I choose not to.  No glitches to fix.  There will be updates to add functions in the future.  Flx28 is what it is and will not be able to be improved.  My lx6 can only get better.  My buddy with the flx28 enjoys it but wishes he would had gotten a 6 or 7.

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #36 on: Feb 04, 2014, 03:05 PM »
Flx28 is what it is and will not be able to be improved.  My lx6 can only get better. 

as in???  They can't  update the hardware, only the software.   Your lx6 cant really get better, it can just look different

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #37 on: Feb 04, 2014, 03:19 PM »
as in???  They can't  update the hardware, only the software.   Your lx6 cant really get better, it can just look different

Sure it can get better.  Doesn't adding functionality improve a device?  Isn't the "look" of a flasher's screen have a direct impact on the information you are seeing?  Does that not improve the device?

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #38 on: Feb 04, 2014, 03:37 PM »
Sure it can get better.  Doesn't adding functionality improve a device?  Isn't the "look" of a flasher's screen have a direct impact on the information you are seeing?  Does that not improve the device?

absolutely.   I was just thinking updates like my cellphone's updates.   they don't make my phone any "better"...just change how it functions, and its not always an improvement.

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #39 on: Feb 04, 2014, 03:48 PM »
absolutely.   I was just thinking updates like my cellphone's updates.   they don't make my phone any "better"...just change how it functions, and its not always an improvement.

I agree.  Sometimes I put off updating my phone because I like the way it is now and don't feel like the changes made improvements to it.  Same thing with the LX series.  I am putting off updating my LX6 because I feel it is functioning perfectly as is.  The changes that Marcum has made in its most recent software update include adding the ability to adjust the transducer offset in one inch increments and the ability to manually adjust the dynamic  range in one foot increments.  I see no need to update at this time to have those options.  I will wait and see what else they come up with to improve functionality and perhaps I will update later.

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #40 on: Feb 04, 2014, 04:35 PM »
Flx28 is what it is and will not be able to be improved.  My lx6 can only get better.

Haha, why don't you tell that the people that hate their new updates.

You Marcum boys just don't quit, nobody wants to update their mechanical flasher. Hell, most the people I know that actually own LX6/7s don't even know they can update them.. and even if they did know that they could some still wouldn't know how to do it, its easy for anyone knowledgeable with computers but would be a nightmare for the computer illiterate. I updated the one I use last season because it SUCKED out of the box, I haven't installed the new update yet because of all the bad feedback its getting. Who wants to tool around with updates when something should work as advertised right out of the box?

I honestly don't see why people think having to update your equipment is an advantage in any way, at all.

Same old song and dance.

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #41 on: Feb 04, 2014, 05:41 PM »
he types apparently on a windows 3.1 machine

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #42 on: Feb 04, 2014, 06:01 PM »
Also must have a tube type console TV and a bag phone... Maybe even a rotary phone in his house....

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #43 on: Feb 04, 2014, 06:26 PM »
Seem's more like a way to appease angry customers as there is always another "update" around the corner that is going to magically solve their issues.

By the time you boys finally get your sonars dialed in everyone else will be on to the next best thing already, or will have spent their time better catching fish on sonars that worked properly out of the box. Let me know when your updates start catching you more fish.

PS, big difference between upgrade and update.  ;) I'm a CNC machinist/cad designer by trade and love most new technology but this thread is titled LX7 or FLX28, and as far as which one is the better flasher? I guess you already know what I think about that, I've got WELL over 50 fishing hours on both units unlike most the people weighing in here. Being digital or update-able doesn't make one better than the other, that's for damn sure.

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #44 on: Feb 04, 2014, 07:37 PM »
Having used a 28 it is not in the same league as the 7 maybe close to being equal to a 5 but not quite

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #45 on: Feb 04, 2014, 11:38 PM »
Bag phones never dropped any calls
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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #46 on: Feb 04, 2014, 11:43 PM »
I fished a tournament against 75 teams last weekend and got 5th and a guy was fishing next to me had a LX 7 he didn't even finish in the top 30  so I guess I'm really liking my bag phone
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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #47 on: Feb 05, 2014, 08:36 AM »
Having used a 28 it is not in the same league as the 7 maybe close to being equal to a 5 but not quite

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Yea, ok esox. Not equal to the Lx5 come on. Not in the same league as the 7? Why? Because it can't be "updated". Sure happy that everyone is soooooo happy with the new 4.07 software that just came out. I knew that last update was going to flop. I had the exact issues regarding over sensitivity on the trial 4.01 software that I was sent and called Marcum twice about it. Chris and another guy sat there and stated how they never heard of the issue happening and they'd look into it. It seems like they chose not to fix it and now look at the other thread about the upgrade. Selling my 9 was the best decision I have made in the past 2 years. 2nd best was going with the FLX28. Slaughtering fish and not dickin around glare, a million options. Drop the ducer down and see the fish. Weeds... boom quick click to weed mode and that's it. Yes, I know esox, this is where you say the, "well Marcum doesn't need the weed or low power modse it's got.... blah, blah, blah." or the old stand by  "well they miss fish that are hugging the bottom." Yes, we know. You've shared those rehashed lines many times the past couple years. In regards to the LP or weed modes, there is different way of doing things to end up at the same result. Doesn't mean one necessarily does it better than the other. In regards to missed bottom huggers, I can't say if past Vexilar units have or have not. However I do know that I have not seen that issue once with FLX28.

This all said, the Lx7/9 and the FLX28 are in different leagues only because they are two totally different units. Like comparing a bucket of fish. They're all fish, but many are not the same. You're trying to take a 30 inch walleye and a 15 inch perch and say that the walleye is more impressive because it's bigger, when both are both impressive in their respective areas.

The Lx5 I will never knock. Had the 28 not been out I would have repurchased it. It was ahead of it's time when it came out, but like most electronics at its age it is showing it's short comings on the visual side of things. Fine line mode is nice, but has been equaled with the 28. Still only has a 3 color pallet. Not a flat screen. The list continues. The only thing I was worried about not having with the 28 was adjustable zoom and I have yet to even miss it or need it. Functionality side is still great and a great unit to own. Just not as nice the the 28.
 

The bias on these things is crazy, and honestly I don't care what name is on my flasher. I want to go out there, throw my ducer in the hole and fish. Weather I see fish or not I want to be based on my positive or negative ability to locate them in the body of water I'm on and not have to wonder if the unit is functioning properly. Further more I like to have the sensitivity and mark size on the screen of jigs, fish, weeds, etc. to be in proportion. That's something I've found with the 28 and is why I'm going to stick with it. If a person finds there taste with a different unit that's great. If Marcum goes back and does another mechanical flasher with an expanded color pallette and other worth while options,, I'm sure I'll be looking into it, but until then there is no way I'm touching a another digital unit for quite a while. Not worth the hassles.


On a side note I really think a bad decision Marcum made was not separating their Digital and Mechanical series by different models. Lx should have continued as their mechanical series and a different model (DX, SX, whatever "x") should have been made for the digital series. If they chose to go to a mechanical flasher, they probably do a Lx5.__ or something higher than a 9 I guess.

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #48 on: Feb 05, 2014, 09:14 AM »
Who wants to tool around with updates when something should work as advertised right out of the box?

I honestly don't see why people think having to update your equipment is an advantage in any way, at all.

Same old song and dance.

Not sure where you get your information but nobody has to update their unit.  Mine worked right out of the box.  Haven't made any updates.  I have the OPTION to do so. You can keep your old song and dance.  I like my music better.

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #49 on: Feb 05, 2014, 12:52 PM »
Not sure where you get your information but nobody has to update their unit.  Mine worked right out of the box.  Haven't made any updates.  I have the OPTION to do so. You can keep your old song and dance.  I like my music better.

Not sure where you missed the part about where the GEN I LX7 I use didn't work worth a s**t out of the box, it worked much better after I updated it but it was laughable how it came off the shelf. That was two years ago, obviously they come with a different update now from the factory. The LX7 is sitting on my desk right now and I'm contemplating downloading the new update but it seem's as though it's not working well for some guys so I will probably just leave well enough alone.
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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #50 on: Feb 05, 2014, 12:59 PM »
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Yea, ok esox. Not equal to the Lx5 come on. Not in the same league as the 7? Why? Because it can't be "updated". Sure happy that everyone is soooooo happy with the new 4.07 software that just came out. I knew that last update was going to flop. I had the exact issues regarding over sensitivity on the trial 4.01 software that I was sent and called Marcum twice about it. Chris and another guy sat there and stated how they never heard of the issue happening and they'd look into it. It seems like they chose not to fix it and now look at the other thread about the upgrade. Selling my 9 was the best decision I have made in the past 2 years. 2nd best was going with the FLX28. Slaughtering fish and not dickin around glare, a million options. Drop the ducer down and see the fish. Weeds... boom quick click to weed mode and that's it. Yes, I know esox, this is where you say the, "well Marcum doesn't need the weed or low power modse it's got.... blah, blah, blah." or the old stand by  "well they miss fish that are hugging the bottom." Yes, we know. You've shared those rehashed lines many times the past couple years. In regards to the LP or weed modes, there is different way of doing things to end up at the same result. Doesn't mean one necessarily does it better than the other. In regards to missed bottom huggers, I can't say if past Vexilar units have or have not. However I do know that I have not seen that issue once with FLX28.

This all said, the Lx7/9 and the FLX28 are in different leagues only because they are two totally different units. Like comparing a bucket of fish. They're all fish, but many are not the same. You're trying to take a 30 inch walleye and a 15 inch perch and say that the walleye is more impressive because it's bigger, when both are both impressive in their respective areas.

The Lx5 I will never knock. Had the 28 not been out I would have repurchased it. It was ahead of it's time when it came out, but like most electronics at its age it is showing it's short comings on the visual side of things. Fine line mode is nice, but has been equaled with the 28. Still only has a 3 color pallet. Not a flat screen. The list continues. The only thing I was worried about not having with the 28 was adjustable zoom and I have yet to even miss it or need it. Functionality side is still great and a great unit to own. Just not as nice the the 28.
 

The bias on these things is crazy, and honestly I don't care what name is on my flasher. I want to go out there, throw my ducer in the hole and fish. Weather I see fish or not I want to be based on my positive or negative ability to locate them in the body of water I'm on and not have to wonder if the unit is functioning properly. Further more I like to have the sensitivity and mark size on the screen of jigs, fish, weeds, etc. to be in proportion. That's something I've found with the 28 and is why I'm going to stick with it. If a person finds there taste with a different unit that's great. If Marcum goes back and does another mechanical flasher with an expanded color pallette and other worth while options,, I'm sure I'll be looking into it, but until then there is no way I'm touching a another digital unit for quite a while. Not worth the hassles.


On a side note I really think a bad decision Marcum made was not separating their Digital and Mechanical series by different models. Lx should have continued as their mechanical series and a different model (DX, SX, whatever "x") should have been made for the digital series. If they chose to go to a mechanical flasher, they probably do a Lx5.__ or something higher than a 9 I guess.


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Having used a 28 it is not in the same league as the 7 maybe close to being equal to a 5 but not quite

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It sure is funny the difference between what the folks that have actually used both extensively say and what the marcum loyalists have to say. I don't give a hoot what brand my flasher is, I just want one that works well. It's pretty easy just to say " I used one once and didnt like it" or "my friend has one and he likes mine better".
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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #51 on: Feb 05, 2014, 03:24 PM »
I am not loyal to any brand, I have owed a lot of brands over the 30 years I have been ice fishing. Started with a Lowrance green box my uncle gave me then a Super sixty after that a Hondex and a Clearwater Classic after that a FL 8 then a few 18's then LX-5's now LX-7's. All offers something over the one it replaced.... I have also been fortunate to have been able to use pretty much every other unit on the market to with exception of Showdowns and Ice 35's. .. Having access to all them to use us how I make my mind up what one unit does another does not and choose the one that offers me the best features for my money...

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #52 on: Feb 05, 2014, 04:10 PM »
yea those vexilars are a hell of a unit check out the fl22s ;D

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #53 on: Feb 05, 2014, 04:12 PM »
we fish lx7s and lx9s here there's always room for vexilars on the clearance rack

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #54 on: Feb 05, 2014, 05:11 PM »
yea those vexilars are a hell of a unit check out the fl22s ;D

This is between the LX7 and the FLX28, of which the 28 is the clear winner.

See what I did there?  ::)  ::)

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #55 on: Feb 05, 2014, 05:16 PM »
This is between the LX7 and the FLX28, of which the 28 is the clear winner.

See what I did there?  ::)  ::)
sure did  ;D however the lx9 is the same beast as the lx7 the 9 just has the camera and yea the 28 is there clear winner in 20 year old technology different stokes for different folks is the bottom line

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #56 on: Feb 05, 2014, 07:04 PM »
we fish lx7s and lx9s here there's always room for vexilars on the clearance rack

Funny thing is every time I go to the Bargain Cave in the Hamburg store the Marcums are what fill up the cave shelves. :whistle:

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #57 on: Feb 05, 2014, 07:05 PM »
Fun ny thing is every time on I go to the Bargain Cave in the Hamburg store the Marcums are what fill up the cave. :whistle:
please that's why the vexs are the only flasher left in stores right?

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #58 on: Feb 05, 2014, 09:37 PM »
Bought a flx-28

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Re: Marcum Lx-7 or Flx-28
« Reply #59 on: Feb 06, 2014, 06:50 AM »
Bought a flx-28



Great choice.   Enjoy your new flasher.

 



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