got down to the ice around 930 picked a spot in about 22 FOW and sat and watched fish come up and look at my jigs, spoons, and raps all after noon finnaly had enough at about 1 when i could not convince them that they were hungry. Only caught one dink perch i tried dif colors i tried tiped with spike not tiped, live shad, dead shad, just a head, no mater what i gave them all they would do is come up off the bottom and look at it! The fish in carmi baffle me! Never seen such picky fish. Even on a bad day on Champlain when i mark fish i can catch at least a few of them! Just hard to mark fish know where they are and not be able to catch them! Was good meeting you Ice!