Rescue on Upper Red

[Whopper Stopper]

http://www.valleynewslive.com/home/headlines/Rescue-Underway-on-Red-Lake-361817161.html?device=phone&c=y


                 WS

[Idahogator]

Just for curiosities sake, WS, is that a 'free' rescue ?

[Whopper Stopper]

Based on other similar rescues, I would say yes If I am wrong I would love to hear about it.

It seems that around here restitution never enters the picture when someone has their lives saved by a bunch of trained professionals risking theirs. Always ticks me off.

I think a lot of people would think a little harder if they risked some financial responsibility to help cover the costs stemming from their stupidity.



             WS

[steveice]

 It is almost like an expected free service.

[Hard Ice]

It's a touchy subject when the resort calls for a ice rescue .

[MochaMay]

IMHO Tax payer dollars are paying for a large large portion of these rescue teams.

A lot of arm chair quarterbacks on this issue.  The end results all fisherman were able to walk off when the crack closed and the rescue teams assisted (not sure what they did besides add assurance). The media hype blew this way out of proportion as usual.

[DrewFlu33]

I don't have any dog in the fight one way or another, but the resort in question posted on their Facebook page that the "rescue" really involved folks walking down to where the sheet had shifted to meet the shore ice and walking off.  The rescuers were supervising for safety and apparently did drive the folks' four wheelers off, but it doesn't sound like the rescue teams were actually needed in this case.  Still scary stuff.  That crack is going to be a menace all season!

[fishinchiro307]

Sounds like support consisted of plywood bridging the cracks, so the wheelers could get off.

[Agronomist_at_IA]

Based on other similar rescues, I would say yes If I am wrong I would love to hear about it.

It seems that around here restitution never enters the picture when someone has their lives saved by a bunch of trained professionals risking theirs. Always ticks me off.

I think a lot of people would think a little harder if they risked some financial responsibility to help cover the costs stemming from their stupidity.



             WS

Personally In my opinion that is what the responders are trained for. I can't say for sure, but I would guess that most of those who were rescued were tax paying citizens that went out of a resort and paid for a service access where the resort checked the ice and staked off an area that was safe. The ice was found to be plenty thick, it just happened to have moved. This wasn't a bunch of idiots just venturing out with no clue on what was going on, this was a group of paying customers spending money at a local resort for the safety and services provided.

It looks to me like the whole entire event was a success. How many taxes, fundraisers, and vol. help has been invested into the URL community by resorts, customers, and local people? My guess is quite a lot. I'm sure the entire URL community resorts & locals are hurting with the reduced cash flow due to the crazy weather. It appears that they are all taking precautions and doing everything they can to support their way of life and to keep customers safe and happy.  To me a guy getting on his soap box complaining about the resorts, customers, and community of URL having to use a safety rescue crew for something like this is retarded to say the least. They all paid for it and had to use it. So why should those involved be fined or pay a fee? They already pay taxes and raise money for the emergency response team. Now I can understand your complaint if it was a couple idiots going out on unchecked ice and being stupid about it, but it was people doing the correct things utilizing professionals and resorts that checked things out and decided they were safe. An unfortunate event happened, but all were safely secured due to working with professionals.

[MochaMay]

Personally In my opinion that is what the responders are trained for. I can't say for sure, but I would guess that most of those who were rescued were tax paying citizens that went out of a resort and paid for a service access where the resort checked the ice and staked off an area that was safe. The ice was found to be plenty thick, it just happened to have moved. This wasn't a bunch of idiots just venturing out with no clue on what was going on, this was a group of paying customers spending money at a local resort for the safety and services provided.

It looks to me like the whole entire event was a success. How many taxes, fundraisers, and vol. help has been invested into the URL community by resorts, customers, and local people? My guess is quite a lot. I'm sure the entire URL community resorts & locals are hurting with the reduced cash flow due to the crazy weather. It appears that they are all taking precautions and doing everything they can to support their way of life and to keep customers safe and happy.  To me a guy getting on his soap box complaining about the resorts, customers, and community of URL having to use a safety rescue crew for something like this is retarded to say the least. They all paid for it and had to use it. So why should those involved be fined or pay a fee? They already pay taxes and raise money for the emergency response team. Now I can understand your complaint if it was a couple idiots going out on unchecked ice and being stupid about it, but it was people doing the correct things utilizing professionals and resorts that checked things out and decided they were safe. An unfortunate event happened, but all were safely secured due to working with professionals.

Well Said!

[Whopper Stopper]

Personally In my opinion that is what the responders are trained for. I can't say for sure, but I would guess that most of those who were rescued were tax paying citizens that went out of a resort and paid for a service access where the resort checked the ice and staked off an area that was safe. The ice was found to be plenty thick, it just happened to have moved. This wasn't a bunch of idiots just venturing out with no clue on what was going on, this was a group of paying customers spending money at a local resort for the safety and services provided.

It looks to me like the whole entire event was a success. How many taxes, fundraisers, and vol. help has been invested into the URL community by resorts, customers, and local people? My guess is quite a lot. I'm sure the entire URL community resorts & locals are hurting with the reduced cash flow due to the crazy weather. It appears that they are all taking precautions and doing everything they can to support their way of life and to keep customers safe and happy.  To me a guy getting on his soap box complaining about the resorts, customers, and community of URL having to use a safety rescue crew for something like this is retarded to say the least. They all paid for it and had to use it. So why should those involved be fined or pay a fee? They already pay taxes and raise money for the emergency response team. Now I can understand your complaint if it was a couple idiots going out on unchecked ice and being stupid about it, but it was people doing the correct things utilizing professionals and resorts that checked things out and decided they were safe. An unfortunate event happened, but all were safely secured due to working with professionals.

Another advocate of entitlement?  "Here I am you lucky people, keep me safe", great attitude

This last episode was just a small example of people pushing the limits and having a minor set back. Fortunately in this case it was a lot of hyped media fodder, however the season hasn’t even started in full earnest.  I have heard comments by trained professionals at rescues and frankly I have never witnessed any of them that were excited about getting a chance to show their stuff.

Ice should never be assumed safe, anytime time of the winter season and especially this season. Doctors are trained to treat sick people, we pay taxes and fund ACA, but we don't get free health care. There are fire departments that charge for their services, from fire suppression to crash vehicle extrication, at least here in Minnesota.

You say "...this was a group of paying customers spending money at a resort for safety and services provided."  The services, in this case, weren't provided by the resort. Customers are paying to use the access, that's a hard one to understand

It seems every year, the threads start up about early ice fishing conditions, encouraging people to come spend their money, while other operators will say it isn't safe. I had two trips cancelled this year one on Red and one on Rainy. I am sure I could venture out on my own if desired, but I will take recommendations given and hold off. Of course if I had the mind set that the resorts are responsible and I an entitled, plus I will get a free rescue and a possible helicopter ride, maybe I should have went.

I would bet if there are too many of these rescues, the locals will enact provisions as allowed by Minnesota Statutes §366.011.

366.011 CHARGES FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES; COLLECTION.
A town may impose a reasonable service charge for emergency services, including fire, rescue, medical, and related services provided by the town or contracted for by the town. If the service charge remains unpaid 30 days after a notice of delinquency is sent to the recipient of the service or the recipient's representative or estate, the town or its contractor on behalf of the town may use any lawful means allowed to a private party for the collection of an unsecured delinquent debt. The town may also use the authority of section 366.012 to collect unpaid service charges of this kind from delinquent recipients of services who are owners of taxable real property in the state.

We agree to disagree. Have a good hard water season

                   WS

[bowmandan]

Most responders are volunteers and do not get paid.   I am from South Dakota and on the volunteer fire department and dive rescue team. We don't get paid and most of our dive rescue gear came out of our teams own pockets.   Attitude from those we rescue is usually good, however we have had some that thought we owed them when we rescued them or their family. Makes us want to put them back...

  Everyone stay safe

    Peace out
         Dan

[MochaMay]

Well Said!

I was referring to the part where he states this was not a bunch of idiots venturing out with no clue on whats going on.

Its easy to sit in your easy chair at home and throw a touch down pass every time. Twisting comments by some does no good for anyone.

[Tikkaman]

Scary stuff.  A bunch of us have a weekend stay @ west wind over New Years weekend

[Idahogator]

I was referring to the part where he states this was not a bunch of idiots venturing out with no clue on whats going on.

Its easy to sit in your easy chair at home and throw a touch down pass every time. Twisting comments by some does no good for anyone.

Sir, it's easy to be misunderstood but, clarity is easily achieved by 'editing' a quote, leaving only what is being referred to with a brief comment, as above.     

[jayfk]

For what it's worth,  I was on URL Friday and Saturday before this happened. If my wife would have allowed I would have been on the ice Sunday when this happened but I had to drive home then. Both days I was there we measured 5-6 inches of good ice,  which is what I find as "safe" ice in Central Iowa where I normally fish. We never heard as much as a  crack or clunk in the ice while we were there. Also as a public servant and former military, I never expect to be a victim nor do I  place myself in circumstances where I'm not able to take care of myself. I believed we were being as safe as we could. They lake had good ice and there were no signs that we were acting recklessly.

We took the same precautions as I'm sure most of you do early ice and fortunately everything worked out for us. If I could do it all over again I would and will continue to do so. To my knowledge all resorts were letting folks walk out or ride 4 wheelers on the ice. In the end I'm not saying I'm right and anyone is wrong, I just thought I would post somewhat first hand knowledge of the conditions/experience.

P. S.  If your still reading and wondering.... Yes we brought home our limit.

STAY SAFE

[Idahogator]

Thank you for your service, Jay, then & now.   

Your explanation says a lot always being alert.         

[junobeans]

I don't think they were being negligent just and unfortunate accident.  Glad everyone is ok

[Agronomist_at_IA]

I was referring to the part where he states this was not a bunch of idiots venturing out with no clue on whats going on.

Its easy to sit in your easy chair at home and throw a touch down pass every time. Twisting comments by some does no good for anyone.

People like whooper are going to read and twist things into What they want. If anyone actually read my comment it's not to hard to understand that I wasn't advocating entitlement. Of course you must have understood what I was intending....mochaMay