i bought 10 lbs of large pike shiners last year at lehiighton at bc bait while i make a trip to cabelas or bite the bullet and order from andersons my advice get yourself bulk tanks pond pump keep outside i had bait live last year from december 12 (i remember the day beacuse my dog died the day before and needed to get my mind off of things) and lived into mid march then i had to go throw it in the creek by my house before they died because the water was getting to warm i do buy big bait around here but they arent chubs or shiners its what i get my big fish on i said to much already but good luck