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2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« on: Jan 23, 2013, 03:39 PM »
For those ice anglers who have contacted me on here and want to know how I catch allot of the big perch I do. Read  the article below that was printed in North American fishing club in which i am trophy member of. I use these two tactics all the time , especially on the flats on lake Bomoseen, because what i am trying imitate down there off bottom are small blood worms and other insects that these big slammer perch are feeding on . Most of the time these two tactics will very well for me. I have also seen plenty of perch on my Camera come out of no where because the want to know what all the co-motion is when you are pounding the bottom like what is described below. You should Try these tactics , the  next time you are out on the ice... Good Luck  ;D


Article below:
Two Best Ice Fishing Presentations
Steven Johnson 0 comments Fishin’ Basics

Jan 22

When fish are low in the water column, smart ice anglers know that bottom pounding and bottom scrounging are “go-to” presentations. Truly successful ice fishermen, however, know when to pound, when to scrounge, and when to combine the two to catch more walleyes, perch, bluegills and other gamefish. Here’s how to determine the best presentation every time.
The flasher is beginning to show fish, but they’re just not committing. Jon Thelen brings his bait up out of the hole, shifts the knot position on the jig eye and drops his it back to the bottom, but employs a decidedly different presentation than he used to draw in the fish. It doesn’t take long for him to convince one of the walleyes to bite.
 
Like most veteran ice anglers, Thelen spends quite a bit of time with an ice jig or spoon close to the bottom. Much of the fish’s food lives on the bottom, so fish of various sorts spend much of their time in the same neighborhood. Thelen is quick to point out, however, that not all bottom presentations are created equal, and it’s always important to consider what you’re trying to accomplish.
 
“The two bottom presentations I use the most often are ‘bottom pounding’ and ‘bottom scrounging,’” he said.
 
The names perfectly describe the techniques. Pounding refers to lifting a fast-sinking jig or spoon and letting it free fall to the bottom so it “pounds” when it hits. Scrounging typically involves a different type of ice jig presented with shorter lifts and controlled drops, sometimes with the bait stopped an inch off the bottom. Given the right jig and the right technique, the effect is that that lure scrounges around on the bottom like a minnow or other critter scrounging for food.
 
Thelen uses the two techniques for different reasons. Some situations lend themselves best to one or the other, as do some lures. Pounding and scrounging are often complementary, though, and certainly can be combined to greater success on the ice.
 
Neither technique is species-specific. As long as Thelen expects fish to be on or near the bottom, he’s likely to use one or both of these two techniques. He simply varies the size of his offerings and the specific spots he fishes depending on whether he is targeting walleyes, bluegills, perch or other fish.
 
Thelen says that pounding is all about attracting fish. The combination of the sound made by an ice lure banging on the bottom and the visual element of a cloud of sediment kicked up from the bottom draws in fish -- it gets their attention and often draws strikes.
 
Scrounging, on the other hand, is all about being natural. Baitfish, aquatic insect nymphs and other invertebrates all “scrounge” around on the bottom, so scrounging most often comes into play when fish are already nearby or are in a feeding mode and keying on these little tidbits.
 
Pounding
 
Thelen most often pounds the bottom when the flasher shows there are no fish nearby. He’s trying to attract nearby fish. He also pounds bottom when the fish are in a negative-feeding mode due to time of day or because they are holding in more of a resting area than a feeding area. Pounding attracts fish to investigate the commotion, and sometimes draws strikes from fish that won’t respond to a more-natural presentation.
 
“Often I’m trying to draw a reaction strike from a fish that doesn’t really want to eat,” Thelen said.
 
Pounding comes increasingly into play as winter progresses because the fish tend to move deeper. Also, as more snow settles on ever-thickening ice, visibility goes downhill quickly and fish need more help finding the bait. Through mid-winter Thelen commonly pounds to bring in fish, and then either switches to a scrounging presentation or eases the offering up off the bottom to coax the fish into biting.
 
Pounding involves a series of lifts and drops. Lifts can be short or long and sharp or gentle, and the frequency can vary quite a bit. The common denominator is that drops are on a slack line and the bait falls all the way and pounds the bottom each time.
 
The best ice lures for pounding are heavy and compact so they drop quickly through the water column. For panfish, that can be something small-but-compact like a Lindy Toad or Fat Boy fished on very light line and with only a waxworm or spike on the hook. Good choices for walleyes include Frostee Jigs and Rattl’N Flyer Spoons. Although the spoons aren’t quite as compact, they still drop quickly and make a good thump, plus they offer the added fish-attracting virtue of rattles.
 
Scrounging
 
If Thelen drills a hole and the flasher shows fish, he often begins with a scrounging technique. Another time he thinks scrounging first is when fishing shallow water where fish are spooky, or when he knows he’s positioned over a feeding structure at prime time. If he is confident in the area and expects fish to be in a feed mode, he’s not worried about attracting them.
 
“If the fish are already there, my first concern is making my bait look natural,” Thelen said.
 
Specific scrounging presentations vary a bit and are dictated by the mood of the fish, and different baits call for slightly different rod movements. Generally speaking, though, Thelen says that less is more – just quick little upward twitches or jiggles. He keeps the line somewhat taut with the bait just shy of making bottom contact. Ideally, the bait scurries side-to-side instead of only moving vertically.
 
The Lindy Techni-Glo Flyer and Foo Flyer are designed for bottom scrounging. These baits plane sideways on the lift and drop, and dart around with the tiniest of twitches. The Techni-Glo Flyer spirals when it falls while the Foo Flyer darts again, often in a new direction. Adding a whole minnow to a jig also slows the drop and cause it to plane even more, making it extra effective for scrounging an area larger than the circumference of the hole.
 
Double Duty
 
Thelen commonly combines bottom pounding and scrounging strategies, most often by drawing the fish within range by pounding and then switching to a natural scrounging presentation to convince the fish to bite. Thelen has found, however, that on occasion it works the other way around.
 
Thelen says that a few lures allow him to apply both presentations. Keys to scrounging with a Slick Jig are sliding the knot toward the hook and cinching it tight on the eye to keep it horizontal, then controlling its fall with a tight line.
 
I do all types of fishing; but I am Die hard Ice angler.
I love Ice Fishing the lakes of Rutland County. Recently moved to NY and now will be Ice fishing the Lakes Of New York.

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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #1 on: Jan 23, 2013, 04:13 PM »
       Wiggles, how are the slammer perch hitting on Bomo now?Also are you catching many?

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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #2 on: Jan 23, 2013, 05:27 PM »
Thanks for the post, good techniques to try out .


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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #3 on: Jan 23, 2013, 06:32 PM »
so thats the trick to catch them slammer perch an preferance on color?

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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #4 on: Jan 23, 2013, 06:35 PM »
Thanks for posting Wiggle.

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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #5 on: Jan 23, 2013, 07:40 PM »
Thanks for the post.  Great information.  I can't wait to try them out Sunday.

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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #6 on: Jan 23, 2013, 08:33 PM »
Wow, thats so incredibly different than the way I fish!!! Good tip!!!

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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #7 on: Jan 24, 2013, 08:10 AM »
been pounding them perch for 30 years now  thats why a good mind thinks by himself

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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #8 on: Jan 24, 2013, 08:34 AM »
       Wiggles, how are the slammer perch hitting on Bomo now?Also are you catching many?

To be honest Dave, I have fished like 5 times this year for perch on bomo and i have had 3 good days were i hit the perch hard and 1 day were the fish was slow but still managed like 8 nice ones and then i had one day where i only marked 1 hole on my  vexilar  that actually showed fish down there out 50+ holes that i drilled and caught one 8 inch perch  :unsure: . So if i have to rate this year fishing compared to last year fishing or the year below, i would say its a little slower. the fish are there but you really need to work to find them. Good luck
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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #9 on: Jan 24, 2013, 08:38 AM »
so thats the trick to catch them slammer perch an preferance on color?

there is another post on here i started called "the bomo report by the big wiggle" and there is a picture of a nice perch and in that picture you will see the presentation i use to catch the perch , which is a red tungsten jig and red nuggie, which resembles a blood worm ..check it out
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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #10 on: Jan 24, 2013, 09:44 AM »
BW: Will you be willing to autograph my bait bucket?  :bow:

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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #11 on: Jan 24, 2013, 09:50 AM »
Tanks for the help wiggle

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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #12 on: Jan 24, 2013, 10:20 AM »
BW: Will you be willing to autograph my bait bucket?  :bow:

your killing me lavman.. :roflmao:
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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #13 on: Jan 24, 2013, 10:21 AM »
Tanks for the help wiggle

Welcome .. go catch the big ones  :icefish:
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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #14 on: Jan 25, 2013, 05:56 AM »
We used to pound the big perch in bomo, then it dropped off. then Tom at the bait shop told me it takes seven years to grow them fish that big, I,m not sure. But when you over fish that's what happens. You could see at least 10 guys jigging  every day in that area back then. I had my own secrets on catching them big perch but after awhile I had trouble catching them.

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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #15 on: Jan 25, 2013, 10:47 AM »
We used to pound the big perch in bomo, then it dropped off. then Tom at the bait shop told me it takes seven years to grow them fish that big, I,m not sure. But when you over fish that's what happens. You could see at least 10 guys jigging  every day in that area back then. I had my own secrets on catching them big perch but after awhile I had trouble catching them.

that's why selective harvesting is key!! i never get greedy!!! if i can 10-15 perch i am happy camper because these would definitely be enough to feed me and my girlfriend for a nice perch dinner . I can tell you  this and that is ,  i believe the perch population looks to very healthy in bomo based on my experience of Scuba diving and snorkeling the lake in the summer .
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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #16 on: Jan 26, 2013, 06:05 AM »
that's why selective harvesting is key!! i never get greedy!!! if i can 10-15 perch i am happy camper because these would definitely be enough to feed me and my girlfriend for a nice perch dinner . I can tell you  this and that is ,  i believe the perch population looks to very healthy in bomo based on my experience of Scuba diving and snorkeling the lake in the summer .
I'm glad to here that you only keep a few to eat , that's the way it should be. That is a good article you posted.

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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #17 on: Feb 04, 2013, 01:06 AM »
 Thanks for the help!! Now that I'm older...I think my patience level has improved enough to try jiggin fun of it! How hard is it to find those jigs you suggested please??
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 04, 2013, 10:31 AM »
Thanks for the help!! Now that I'm older...I think my patience level has improved enough to try jiggin fun of it! How hard is it to find those jigs you suggested please??

Not hard at all, just goggle tungsten jigs for ice fishing. I like Fiska jigs the best
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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #19 on: Feb 04, 2013, 10:49 AM »
Tom's Bait shop on Rte 4A in Castleton VT. has a great selection of tungsten jigs, nuggies, and hali jigs...Go see Rob!

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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #20 on: Feb 04, 2013, 10:53 AM »
Tom's Bait shop on Rte 4A in Castleton VT. has a great selection of tungsten jigs, nuggies, and hali jigs...Go see Rob!
thats where i send all my business. Robbie is an awesome Guy..
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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #21 on: Feb 04, 2013, 08:22 PM »
Tried your not-so-secret-anymore technique on perch recently, made a big difference !  Thanks for the post.


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Re: 2 of my Perch Secerts are reveled by NAFC
« Reply #22 on: Feb 05, 2013, 08:38 AM »
Tried your not-so-secret-anymore technique on perch recently, made a big difference !  Thanks for the post.


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Well hopefully you got some more and bigger perch. Pounding the bottom is like ringing the dinner bell for perch. You should check out another post on here , where i made a perch video just recently , i think its called perch video by the bigwiggle.
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