sounds like you are fishing bays and closer to shore?...You have to get out in the deeper water in the mud. Aywhere from 1/2 mile out to 5 miles out. I usually fish anywhere from garlic island to black wolf and anywhere in between... Cover lots of water. Leave the tip ups at home. Drill a hole for each guy that is along and fish there for about 20 mins. If you dont ice a fish move. Sometime you can move 100 yds other times I wll move a mile or two...We will sometimes move 15-20 times a day...Becareful around the cracks and bridges.