Best Wind Shanty

[austmoss]

I’ve relocated from northern Wyo to Laradise and the wind has dramatically impacted the number of days I get to spend on the ice.  I have a hub shelter, a larger one, but it is not worth the trouble in the wind.  How are the flip shelters in comparison?? 

[WYIfish]

I’ve relocated from northern Wyo to Laradise and the wind has dramatically impacted the number of days I get to spend on the ice.  I have a hub shelter, a larger one, but it is not worth the trouble in the wind.  How are the flip shelters in comparison??

My flip wasn't any better than the hub. I am back to a quickfish3 under protest. I have a box sled that keeps my feet off the ice and shelters half of my back. also use a gas heater to warm my hands and warm up sandwishes. If you figure out the wind and shelter issue, let all of us know.

[muskyon46]

If your riding a machine a flip will serve you well. On foot its a different story

[Dorado]

I’ve relocated from northern Wyo to Laradise and the wind has dramatically impacted the number of days I get to spend on the ice.  I have a hub shelter, a larger one, but it is not worth the trouble in the wind.  How are the flip shelters in comparison??

Politely disagree....I have both. I pretty much never deploy the hub unless it is a hurricane or I am going out with a group of kids.  I use the flip shelter almost every time.  The simplicity of set up makes it so you can move around and try multiple spots, something I would never contemplate with a hub.  They are easy to pull around on a foot or less snow, but they can get heavy if you are fishing lakes that have a deep snow layer and overflow...

[austmoss]

My theory with a flip shack was that I could put and anchor system in the bottom of the sled, have also read about putting eyes in the front and the back and bringing those back to an anchor with rope.  We have a lot of days with a calm 20 mp breeze, the flip seams like a more manageable system than a hub when I am alone.

I agree wholeheartedly that it is added weight but, so long as the snow isn’t too deep it feels like it should be ok.  Good news is that the wind usually takes care of the snow rather quickly down here, haha.

[hardwater diehard]

Faster set up on a flip ..even faster in wind . Both need to be anchored in the wind . Thermal and/or thicker fabrics will be better then uninsulated or thinner denier fabrics... as wind flap is quite annoying. Eskimo style ice anchors are the best ..can be installed by hand ..but there are faster ways ..drill w/adapter or drilling a pilot hole ..or a speed handle . If your towing with a vehicle the flip over is much much easier . I have eyebolts that I use on my shelter tub front back and rear  with carabiner and Eskimo anchors .As for the sheeter two man are very nice and roomy...make sure the seats are removable ..cut down on the weight when flying solo ..building a Smitty sled will make transport easier for non motorized travel.

Some folks suggested a piece of plastic coated chain for the skirting on bare ice or limited snow ...I may try that this season as my area was quite bare of snow last season .

[blackshirt7]

I prefer the flip in the wind and it’s not close. The locations  I typical fish are “prairie lakes” without many trees to break the wind. I’ve had hubs fail, and routinely see rods bending in the wind on my pop up (FF949i) with four anchors on skirting area grommets and 2-3 on the hubs (abrupt changes in wind direction have left me scrambling so I put an extra on). I picked up an older fish trap (guide). It’s fairly light and easy to pull. I added a “D ring” to the back of it. I position the back of the shelter to the wind side and  put down one good anchor and use a large carabiner to join them. In extreme conditions I have a pipe with a piece of tow strap attached I use as an anchor point in case I get the utv stuck.

[waterlike]

There are arguments for both.  I think for 10 to 20mph wind a flip works well and is an easier setup.  However, I have seen and heard of flips breaking in high wind, like 25mph+  If you are able to anchor down a hub properly, I think it functions better in super high wind than a flip.  The problem with a flip is, unless you modify it with more anchors, it does not have as many tie down points as a hub.  WIth a hub, I use the otter lodge, you have 4 anchors in the corners, then 4 anchors with guy lines.  Ive had hubs in 40mph sustained winds that hold up and do not break or blow away if properly anchored.  I dont know if a flip can do that for a significant amount of time.

As for which hub, i think otter is best for wind right now.  THey have a different anchor system that has extra strap on the corners that really helps.  In addition, they give you 4 guy lines and 8 anchors.  I can setup a hub in 25mph wind bymyself as long as you do it carefully. 

[RocksandRocks]

I don't really have the experience to chime in, but I'm going to anyway. This year is my first year with a hub shelter. The shelter is easy enough to set up, but the wind really emphasizes two aspects of successful pitching. 1, the orientation of the hut (doors and edges) and; 2, anchoring before and during setting up. 

1. When the wind is a blowin', the orientation of the flat sides of the cube become important to the integrity of the structure therein. If a flat is broadly facing the wind, the hub can be pushed in at any given moment, before successfully setting up the rest of the sides. This can be quite annoying. To help with this, the corner of the cube should be pointing directly into the wind to help with this issue. This also has the added benefit of orienting the doors of the hut in the ideal position, 90° to the wind direction. No one wants a face full of wind when you just want to check a tip up! and;

2. Anchor before setting it up. Once out of the bag, the wind can catch any strong side and rip that sucker right out of your hands, sending it flying. Judicious use of ice anchors before setting things up, and during the initial stages of setup help dramatically. Yesterday was the first time I had to set up the hub guylines to deal with wind, and it stabilized the shelter way more than I ever thought it would. Highly recommend having at least 6 anchors with you, one for each corner, and 2 for the hub centers on the windward side. Conveniently, my shelter came with 6 anchors, almost like this isn't a new idea! haha.

With all that in mind, I have full confidence in my hub shelter in windy conditions. Just takes a little time to setup.

[7lazy77]

The wind in Wyoming can be a beeyatch at times.  All good suggestions to help with anchoring down hubs & flips.  I have had success with hubs in high winds & have been surprised how much punishment they can actually take.  I went ahead & purchased an Otter Lodge flip this year since it seemed to be built well to hold up to the winds.  Yes, it is heavier...but this also means that it is built better.  I made a couple of modifications to also help with the winds such as installing grommets on the outside corners of the canvas, also installed grommets on a piece of canvas that goes around the bottom bar of the frame.  This should help secure the frame & avoid any extra stress on the fabric.  Sounds like a lot of anchors, but it doesn't take long when using anchor drill adapter.  Since I have intentions of pulling this with a 4 wheeler when the ice gets thicker, I use the tow bar mounts on the front of the sled to tie down to an aluminum ice anchor.  On the rear of the sled, I installed a tow ring (for hauling other sleds behind it) & use this ring as a tie down point.  Haven't decided if I want to get any extra spreader bars, but would like to take it out a few more times to see how it holds up.  Hoping this all works as planned so the brutal wind doesn't tear up too much of my shyaatt!

[800stealth]

Not really a flip or a hub but Shappell Bayrunners are great in the wind, they are small but with one anchor in the front and one in the rear it won't go anywhere... I used to just leave mine hitched to the wheeler up front and one anchor in the rear and it never moved and because the tent is attached to the sled 360 degrees there is nowhere for the wind to grab, mine is one of the 1st ones they made so no insulation but now you can get them insulated as well as rear or side seating. I also have an Otter Lodge pro x over flip... If it's going to be really windy I leave it at home and use the Bayrunner.

[Lets fish]

All sounds like a lot of work remember the old timers no shanty Just hard core like my dad was. I use a hub fished laramie plains lakes 50 plus winds. no whinning when ice fishing!

[Redneck Fishfinder]

I've been blown over in a flip over. It came from the back to, I was sitting down and it lifted from the back and went right over me. The only thing that really holds up is a permanent  shack.

[SLAYERFISH]

I drill 2 quarter -inch holes in each back corner of my flip-over.   Then I screw my Eskimo ice anchors thru them into the ice.

It can get a little noisy if the wind gets above 25 or so.  But it is absolutely rock-solid.

[hardwater diehard]

I drill 2 quarter -inch holes in each back corner of my flip-over.   Then I screw my Eskimo ice anchors thru them into the ice.

It can get a little noisy if the wind gets above 25 or so.  But it is absolutely rock-solid.

You drill through the bottom of the shelters tub .. and that dosent cause  a problem with snow/ice/water getting in the tub when you drag it ?

[POk3s]

Austmoss, at least your head is in the right place. If you only want to fish calm days in laramie you’ll never fish!

I can’t add much to the discussion except driving home the points from rocksandrocks. I have a big 6-8 person clam that I’ve set up and taken down in the wind. It’s a flat out pain but it can be done like said above. Before even deploying the hubs on the shelter, find a guy line or two and anchor them down on the upwind side. I will pop those hubs and kind of let the wind blow everything tight, and tighten as I need. Then deploy more of the hub, adding anchors where you can. If you need to go back and tighten or re drill holes you can. Just as long as it’s not your main anchor into the wind. Take it down the same way.

I recently bought a smaller hut off the local classifieds for just this when I’m by myself. It’s a 3 man and with less surface area it will be better in the wind. And I bought it for $100 so if the wind destroys it....oh well!

[SLAYERFISH]

You drill through the bottom of the shelters tub .. and that dosent cause  a problem with snow/ice/water getting in the tub when you drag it ?

Not really. I don't fish in slush anyway.  even drug it several miles with a snowmobile and only get a small pile of snow in the tub. I have a carpet covering the floor and if you don't lift the carpet you'd never know its even there.

As far as Im concerned its a non-issue.

[SDFlagChaser]

Eskimo wide1 inferno.  good heavy insulated material is not noisy and doesn't move around much.  throw some slush or snow around the base and use the door to get in and out.   I don't own one of these, but my fishing pals do and they never have issues.  I use a shappell fx100 and it's a bit noisier and flappier, but it still gets me out of the wind.