Thanks for all the replies, I tried on a large Avid today at Scheels. They had it on sale for $60 but I want XL - The Avid seems pretty heavy also
I do not see the Performance Hoody that several have referenced
I think I am interested in the RIOT Hoody but going to call Striker tomorrow also
The performance short is nice but I wish the cuffs were tighter on the wrist
I plan on using both for ice and open water
thanks again