Author Topic: Braid to Fluorocarbon Issues (Read 1478 times)

th30dd7 · « **on:** Nov 28, 2014, 12:52 PM »

Trying to tie 4 lb sufix ice fuse to 4 lb fluorocarbon. I've tried the albright special and reverse albright with no luck. The knot holds well until I clip the tag ends and then the fluoro pulls through and the knot fails. Any suggestions? Uni to uni can cause the fluoro to be cut within the knot so I'm trying to stay clear from that.

trapster · « **Reply #1 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 12:55 PM »

Try a nail know with a small drop of super glue on the know. It works for mono and crystal fire line.

Reel_Force · « **Reply #2 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 01:18 PM »

Blood Knot will work too.

TJG · « **Reply #3 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 02:19 PM »

Swivel

Moosedog · « **Reply #4 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 03:04 PM »

Improved Albright is the best knot for this. Make sure you are making the U with the floro and wrapping the braid, leave the tags about 1/8th longer. The glue it for insurance. If the tags are left slightly long it will hold without glue but I like insurance. It is the strongest knot for this. I tied and tested hundreds of knots until my fingers bled, put on band aids and tied more it cant be beat. Some knots were of similar strength but none that were easier to tie.

stripernut · « **Reply #5 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 03:13 PM »

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Swivel

That is how I do it...

I don't need a leader that is long enough to reel into the rod, I use ball bearing swivels to take care of line twist, I tie a Bimini to the swivel and loop it on... It will not break... I had to stop using swivels with split rings, because I keep pulling them apart when I get hung up. When done right the connection between the two lines is stronger than the connection with the lure, something that is "knot" always 100% with any knot that joins two lines and even if they start at 100%, over time they will most likely not stay 100%.
If I had to join them with out a Swivel I would (and do in open water) use a wind on leader... In the end, many anglers will join there lines with a knot and if they are OK with that great, but for me I have not been overly impressed with any of the many knots that are out there... I always try to think of the biggest fish I could possibly catch, because that fish is the one that I don't want to loose the MOST!

missoulafish · « **Reply #6 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 03:50 PM »

Tiny inline swivels.

oldcountry · « **Reply #7 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 04:40 PM »

I prefer the uni knot. Never had it blow up or cut itself.
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Muskyrush · « **Reply #8 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 05:20 PM »

Use an advanced Albright, always wrap the thinner diameter line I've been doing this years never had a knot break or slip.

flylinemt · « **Reply #9 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 05:28 PM »

Small barrel swivel , improved surgeons knot, supper easy to tie.

wyoutdoors · « **Reply #10 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 05:36 PM »

I use the double uni-knot with no troubles.

- wyoutdoors

Eaglecrg · « **Reply #11 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 05:49 PM »

Quote from: wyoutdoors on Nov 28, 2014, 05:36 PM

I use the double uni-knot with no troubles.

- wyoutdoors

That's what I've always used. Never had it fail me yet (knock on wood). If the knot is slipping after cinching it, you didn't cinch it tight enough. It does take a bit of practice to tie this knot correctly and insure it is tight.

eiderz · « **Reply #12 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 05:49 PM »

For jigs not prone to spinning I'm another fan of the uni-uni knot. Have not had failures at the knot. This has been true for me in all line sizes, from 4 lb up to 80 lb test. If it's live bait, a spoon, jiggin rap or other lure prone to spinning I use the smallest barrel swivel I can find.

anglerbrian · « **Reply #13 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 06:23 PM »

I use the Alberto (improved albright) but I make one change double the braid then go six or seven wraps up the leader loop and 6 or seven back before exiting the loop in the same direction as you entered it. never had a knot failure the fluoro wioll break first. Use lots of saliva or just make sure the lines are wet before tightening. Very easy to tie just look up animated Alberto knot. http://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/alberto-knot/
now just remember to double the braid before tying this knot and i think you will be impressed at the strength and the small profile of the finished knot.

rgfixit · « **Reply #14 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 06:26 PM »

Those two lines are pretty close in diameter. A Uni or blood knot would be my choices.

Rg

eiderz · « **Reply #15 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 06:33 PM »

Anglerbrian makes a good point that I didn't notice in other posts. Most fishing knots need a good wetting..usually spit...to cinch up correctly without chafing. Attempting to cinch a knot dry will many times result in failure.

fishnfool · « **Reply #16 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 06:48 PM »

I'm a swivel user. Stops your lure from spinning like a top also.

WET-KNOTS II · « **Reply #17 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 06:50 PM »

Double uniknot. I used it soft water(lake michigan) n hardwater. Very stong and simplicity.

MrE1979 · « **Reply #18 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 07:22 PM »

If you have a smart phone check out the Knot Wars app. Shows you all different types of knots and rates them on how they work with different types of lines. Even has videos to show you how to tie the knot.

Pike Paralyzer · « **Reply #19 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 07:27 PM »

Swivels all day. Seagur makes some of the best flours out there IMO

Baetis62 · « **Reply #20 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 07:38 PM »

For Pannies and Trout I use braid to a small high quality swivel then fresh fluoro. Mac's n Pike are Copolymer/swivel/fluoro. But I've found I can keep the braid on those lightweight setups for up to several years. I do change out the fluoro often... up to several times a day if needed.

filetandrelease · « **Reply #21 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 07:47 PM »

For open water jigging and fall shore casting its a double uni , works great , but for ice jigging tiny barrel swivel to help with line twist , I jig a lot of horizontals , and I'm a fan of fire line and trans optic for a leader (co-polymer)

VanderLaan · « **Reply #22 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 08:40 PM »

Add m to the double uni-knot group. Use it in hard and soft water situations. Easy to tie and durable.

th30dd7 · « **Reply #23 on:** Nov 28, 2014, 11:38 PM »

Running a swivel how long of a leader do you run? I'm using a Sienna reel and a #12 swivel that will not spool onto the reel. That leaves me with a 32" leader at max.

wyogator · « **Reply #24 on:** Nov 29, 2014, 12:58 AM »

I'm surprised that more people on here don't use the surgeons loop. It's super strong and easy to tie.

SoDakdick · « **Reply #25 on:** Nov 29, 2014, 01:03 AM »

I put an overhand safety on the floor so it wouldn't pull through.

fishnfool · « **Reply #26 on:** Nov 29, 2014, 05:21 AM »

Quote from: th30dd7 on Nov 28, 2014, 11:38 PM

Running a swivel how long of a leader do you run? I'm using a Sienna reel and a #12 swivel that will not spool onto the reel. That leaves me with a 32" leader at max.

32" leader is plenty.

stripernut · « **Reply #27 on:** Nov 29, 2014, 07:40 AM »

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I'm surprised that more people on here don't use the surgeons loop. It's super strong and easy to tie.

Sorry, but a surgeons loop is only about 75%, not very strong at all... If you want to us one on the Braid side, best to pass the loop at least 8 times threw... On the Fluorocarbon side, I only use it to shorten the loop on a Bimini, it works there only because the line is doubled...

anglerbrian · « **Reply #28 on:** Nov 29, 2014, 07:50 AM »

Use the Alberto (alias modified albright) but double the braid first it will be even stronger than the regular modified albright which won the knot wars braid to leader champ 2013.

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Author Topic: Braid to Fluorocarbon Issues (Read 1478 times)