certified bait

[weavs150]

how long does bait stay certified if i but 30 doz and keep them in my garage in my 75 gal tank with a powerheard to keed them from freezing

[cnypanfisher]

2 weeks.

[pooley]

10 days.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/baitfishofny.pdf

[cnypanfisher]

Yeah that's it, 10 days, enough for 2 weekends if you buy them on a Friday.

[fishingPole]

Ridiculus live bait rules, having to belong to a snowmobile club to pay trail maintenance in order to get a reduced snowmobile registration even though most ice fishermen never use a club trail, life vests required for boating after November, yup, this state has lost all common sense.

[Huntyeraws]

Ridiculus live bait rules, having to belong to a snowmobile club to pay trail maintenance in order to get a reduced snowmobile registration even though most ice fishermen never use a club trail, life vests required for boating after November, yup, this state has lost all common sense.

Yeah -and we are going to prevent the spread of the emerald ash borer and rock snot along with gobies and zebra mussels...folks these invaders are here to stay.... 

[Overly Hackled]

The regs on invasive species and transport of of bait and wood and cautions on rock snot may be  a pain un the a$$ ,but not nearly as much trouble for us outdoor types as the un restricted spread of these uninvited guests and the impact they can have on the overall quality of our fisheries and forests.. I actually don't blame NY state as much as the Feds who have allowed the ballast water in cargo ships from the far reaches of the planet to be dumped into water systems that eventually lead to the invasive species getting the ride to our local waters.

I like most of us wish it was "back int he day" when we could haul our bait and fire wood where the heck we wanted when we wanted,but the unfortunate reality is that to do so will just accelerat the likelyhood of our fishing and hunting declining faster.

We now live in the times of the "enhansed bait,wader and wood pile pat down !

As for the life vests.Well we lost two young Lads on a local lake here last year who fell out of a canoe and had no life vests. I wish they were still with us as do their families. Hypothermia killed them . Don't know if the life vests would have saved them or not.

We all eventually all make our own choices on most of these issues. No judgment on my part .

[pooley]

The regs on invasive species and transport of of bait and wood and cautions on rock snot may be  a pain un the a$$ ,but not nearly as much trouble for us outdoor types as the un restricted spread of these uninvited guests and the impact they can have on the overall quality of our fisheries and forests.. I actually don't blame NY state as much as the Feds who have allowed the ballast water in cargo ships from the far reaches of the planet to be dumped into water systems that eventually lead to the invasive species getting the ride to our local waters.

I like most of us wish it was "back int he day" when we could haul our bait and fire wood where the heck we wanted when we wanted,but the unfortunate reality is that to do so will just accelerat the likelyhood of our fishing and hunting declining faster.

We now live in the times of the "enhansed bait,wader and wood pile pat down !

As for the life vests.Well we lost two young Lads on a local lake here last year who fell out of a canoe and had no life vests. I wish they were still with us as do their families. Hypothermia killed them . Don't know if the life vests would have saved them or not.

We all eventually all make our own choices on most of these issues. No judgment on my part .

good post hackled!

[rgfixit]

This falls into (once again) the Blah...blah...blah I hate NY telling me what to do, stupid laws, we're being screwed garbage that crops up every year.....year after year.

All you bucket biologists who know better should have solved the problems by now. Personally, I'll buy the bait I need for 10 days, then buy some more.

RG

[Overly Hackled]

yep if buying bait every 10 days is my only problem this season I'll consider myself one luck fella

[rgfixit]

I just get sooooo tired of hearing about the bait thing. It's your choice to go fishing. No one's forcing you. I mean, really...what are we talking about $4-$5. Just buy your bait and quit crying!
RG

[pete/ny]

I just get sooooo tired of hearing about the bait thing. It's your choice to go fishing. No one's forcing you. I mean, really...what are we talking about $4-$5. Just buy your bait and quit crying!
RG

  WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!

[Timber]

I'm just happy dec listened to our gripe and gave us the 10 day . Keeping it two weekends is good with me . And who amongst us hasn't had the occasional contraban chub in their bucket . 

[Overly Hackled]

Just keep that chub in your bucket Timber !

[ICE WANDERER]

       Hey guys I use catch my own minows in streams now I can't do that, in order to catch your own bait it has to be in the water you're fishing & you have to be able to show game warden "joe" your bait trap. Who fishes close to their trap all the time? 
Also I think you can't take that bait home then go back the next day [same water] & fish, you have to go back to your trap to store your bait.  Pain in the butt.

[cold_feet]

I'm with RG on this do we really need to relive all this crap about minnow regs again this year. Can't we just go fish and enjoy a day on the ice without complaints of what law is good or bad. We all have to live by them wether we like it or not. Personally I will just follow the law go fish and enjoy my day without worrying if I can keep a couple minnows or chubs for the next trip. 

[Mr.Esox]

NY has the stiffest bait rules in the country.

[jopes]

NY has the stiffest bait rules in the country.

I do not know about that, here in wyoming u buy bait then only have 14 days to use them, on top of that you have very liimited waters you can use the bait you bought.  I cannot take bait from Glendo res and fish up river in any of the other resivours even though it is the same river. Then minnows are counted.  12 minnows for $4:50 or so.

I want fatheads and the closest place I have foound them is 200 miles away, it is the only state wide minnow for use.

[Mr.Esox]

I do not know about that, here in wyoming u buy bait then only have 14 days to use them, on top of that you have very liimited waters you can use the bait you bought.  I cannot take bait from Glendo res and fish up river in any of the other resivours even though it is the same river. Then minnows are counted.  12 minnows for $4:50 or so.

I want fatheads and the closest place I have foound them is 200 miles away, it is the only state wide minnow for use.

I 'm only reporting what was told to me by DEC of NY , is your bait certified, and you have 14 days we have only 10. We also have lakes and rivers  where no live bait can be used.

[tgrm]

Move to Conn. or NJ there is no such a thing as Certified Bait or buy an out of state license.

[mtbusch]

good post hackled!

pooley I do not think the feds or anybody intentially wants to destroy nature, maybe each other but I doubt anybody really wants to destroy their own world through tormenting  wildlife through the spread of deadly diseases and invasive species. jmho, but if this wasn't the case and the feds are to blame or any terrorists reading etc.   this is just natural and as a matter of fact, invasives been hoping all over the planet before we humans screwed things up. Maybe not nearly as fast because of  us humans but, invasive species been evolving since God creations. I do not worry about it, if it is going to happen it happens and there is truely no big deal.. nature evolves ..I do not believe the sale of certified bait / logging firewood/banning felt soles is going to prevent what is already been set into motion. This is not an opinion, it is a fact of life.

[-Mischief]

I know this is an ancient thread but I have a question about certified bait...

What makes it certified? Is the bait shop owner purchasing it as certified or does he purchase the bait from, let's say, a hatchery in Wisconsin and it's just considered certified because he holds the license to sell it as certified?

[rgizmo2001]

It can go two ways. First the supplier I certified and licensed by NYS forgetting bait from local bodies of water which he has to listed on his license and also the sale of the bait to the shops. Second the bait shop owner can be certified by the state for netting there own bait from the local body of water that they do business on for resale. This way its all documented where the bait is coming from and they aren't transporting invasive species to that specific body of water.

[-Mischief]

It can go two ways. First the supplier I certified and licensed by NYS forgetting bait from local bodies of water which he has to listed on his license and also the sale of the bait to the shops. Second the bait shop owner can be certified by the state for netting there own bait from the local body of water that they do business on for resale. This way its all documented where the bait is coming from and they aren't transporting invasive species to that specific body of water.

Sorry but I'm having a hard time understanding what that meant...

Let's say, I get my license to sell bait in NY and I'm not interested in catching my own. Can I order 2000 fatheads from a hatchery anywhere in the US and retail them as certified?

Do they have to be purchased as certified in order to come into NY state or are they considered certified because I hold a certified license?

[rgizmo2001]

They have to come from a certified agent from New York. Can't bring in bait from other states. That would be a hefty fine just as if you can get fined if you are out fishing here and the DEC come by and want to see your slip for bait and you don't have one. And you can't transport bait from here to another state as well.

[JJ]

Read this: http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/baitfishofny.pdf

[-Mischief]

Yea, I've been through that a few times. It says nothing in there about where the minnows can originate from.

I'm looking more for the response of shop owners I guess. I understand that, me as a consumer, must purchase the bait here in NY. My questions are more towards, what if I was the shop owner. Can I purchase bait such as fatheads, shiners, etc., which are legal to use in all bodies of water in NY state, while I hold a license to resell in NY state, and sell them as certified?

Again, what makes them certified... the fact that someone selling them has paid NY state $2 and has gotten a license to resell or are they certified from the hatchery?

[chris steel]

THe batch is sent out to be certified by the state as Vhs free. Then you can do with them as you plz,

[rgfixit]

Why don't you quit risking your business on an internet opinion. Just call the DEC!

RG

[Raquettedacker]

This is how it goes... First off there is no one trapping and selling bait in NYS... That's why you cant buy smelt anymore...
All bait at bait shops is bought from a wholeseller who has ponds on his property where he gathers the minnows..  Which are sold by the pound...  Every pond he has must be tested every year by the state at a cost of as much as several thousand dollars per pond a year...  It costs a bait shop about twelve (and that was several years ago) dollars a pound where they get about 3 to 4 hundred minnows (fatheads) per pound..
I have a good friend who was a wholeseller who went out of business because it was costing him twelve thousand dollars the first year he had to have all his ponds tested....
Do you know how many minnows the small time wholeseller has to sell to cover that?   A lot...
If your thinking about getting a bait sellers licence you will be put on a list as a seller...  In which you will be acceptable to DEC visits to view your "bait store" and you will also need a business licence and tax number....  Hope this helps....