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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #1 on: Dec 09, 2010, 06:45 AM »
This is working, so register now.. Hopefully the state will get their crap together and finalize the state program before 2012 or we will be paying the $15.00 next year.

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #2 on: Dec 09, 2010, 01:08 PM »
Found this on another forum:

Well, it's official - starting January 1, saltwater fishermen in New Jersey will be required to pay $15 to the federal government in order to fish upon state coastal waters.


To avoid the fee, New Jersey need only pass Senate Bill number S1122 which is now resting in the Senate Environment Committee chaired by Piscataway Democrat Senator Robert Smith. An Assembly version (A823) has already passed (54-16) which would allow the state to apply for “exempted state designation from the federal registration requirements” and would require the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) to maintain a free annual registry program to meet the new federal mandate for data collection.

Surfcasters, boaters, tackle shops, party and charter boat captains, marina owners, and livery operators up and down the Jersey Shore have openly supported S1122, and the Recreational Fishing Alliance (RFA) and our allies in the coastal community have spent three years pushing to get this registry legislation passed on their behalf. In recent months, we’ve met with a number of legislators including both Senators and Assembly representatives, and have found there’s overwhelming support in Trenton to get S1122 out of committee; RFA has even heard from the Governor’s own staff on their commitment to fulfilling a campaign pledge to not implement any new taxes on New Jersey residents, which is precisely what a fee to fish will be.

Sen. Robert Smith, however, refuses to move S1122 for a committee vote unless the DEP supports the legislation – which they don’t because it doesn’t have a bloated user fee attached. The democratic process in New Jersey is essentially being held up by Trenton bureaucrats who want anglers to pay the annual $15 fee to fish starting in 2011, perhaps in hopes we’ll be more willing to pay a state fishing tax in the future once we’ve gotten the foul taste of a federal charge. If S1122 doesn’t move out of committee where it can get a full Senate vote before the year is out, saltwater anglers in New Jersey will be forced to pay this federal tax on saltwater fishing starting January 1.

Despite protests within the committee itself - from across both sides of the political aisle - Chairman Smith refuses to move this legislation. Regrettably, this is our political process today, and there seems to be very little we can do to fix the issue of elected leadership answering to an appointed bureaucracy instead of the will of the people. Legislators often make promises to clear the road blocks created by bureaucrats, but at the end of the day the process is still broken.

You’ll hear plenty of bureaucratic rhetoric about this saltwater registry legislation being an “unfunded mandate.” However, as the facts clearly show, a ‘no-cost’ saltwater registry has already been paid in full by the resident and non-resident saltwater anglers of New Jersey.

Fact 1: US Fish & Wildlife estimates there are 496,000 resident and non-resident saltwater anglers in the state of New Jersey.

Fact 2: DEP testified that the current mechanism for registering hunters and anglers can be used for the saltwater registry and would cost the state $1.01 per entry.

Fact 3: Combine Fact 1 and Fact 2 and the estimated maximum cost to implement a no-fee saltwater registry would total $500,960.

Fact 4: As of late November, 182,067 New Jersey residents registered federally to fish coastal waters in 2010 - another 63,026 from Pennsylvania - a total of 245,093 registered saltwater New Jersey anglers.

Fact 5: Combine Fact 2 and Fact 4 and the estimated 2010 cost of implementing a no-cost registry in New Jersey would’ve totaled $247,544.

Fact 6: A 2006 US Fish & Wildlife survey ranked New Jersey 5th in the nation amongst coastal states in terms of overall saltwater retail sales with an estimated $643.6 million spent on saltwater tackle.

Fact arrow Based on a 7% sales tax, saltwater tackle sales contribute over $45 million in state tax revenue.

Fact 8: A 10% federal excise tax on all fishing equipment means New Jersey’s saltwater anglers contributed $65 million in federal taxes to the federal Sport Fish Restoration Fund.

Fact 9: For fiscal year 2010, New Jersey is entitled to receive $3.8 million back in federal Sport Fish Restoration Funds.

Fact 10: New Jersey will continue receiving at least 1% of the total apportioned amount of Sport Fish Restoration Funds (maximum allowed is 5%) regardless of whether there’s a fee to fish state coastal waters or not.

The bottom line is, there's only one available option currently at this time which would help saltwater anglers in New Jersey avoid paying a federal saltwater user fee - there's only been one available option in play for the past 3+ years, and that’s the saltwater registry legislation currently stuck in Senator Robert Smith’s Senate Environment Committee in Trenton.

Click here (http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/legsearch.asp) to find your state legislator; call your state senator today and urge him/her to have Sen. Smith convene his committee before time has run out on our saltwater angling community. There’s still time for a committee hearing, and there’s still time for New Jersey’s Senate to match the actions of the Assembly in clearing this legislative hurdle, on behalf of our coastal fishermen.

Ask your state Senator to remind Sen. Smith that there’s still time to post S1122 in committee – failure to do so will subject you as a constituent to a new $15 federal surcharge on fishing.

If Senator Robert Smith chooses to use his political muscle to suppress S1122 at the urging of the DEP, a half-million over-taxed voters will awaken on New Year’s Day to a brand new saltwater user fee, avoidable today by a simple act of democratic process.
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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #3 on: Dec 09, 2010, 01:15 PM »
WoW! That sucks! I've registered for the last couple of years in several states and haven't paid a dollar. I can't believe this person is able to hold everyone hostage like that. Sounds like he needs the boot!
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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #4 on: Dec 09, 2010, 02:12 PM »
A 0 fee bill passed thru the commitee today and is headed to the senate for a vote. Don't know any details yet.

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #5 on: Dec 09, 2010, 02:51 PM »
I stay fairly close to the salt water scene and the whole problem with this thing is that all of the organizations can't really agree on what they want. The state has told us clearly that it will not be free, there will be some fee. This is when things get messed up,Some folks want a license, some just want a couple dollar registration fee.Because there is no agreement amongst the groups the legislation has just sat in committee. I believe the federal government has sent a clear message and now the state is motivated.
Of course the politics involved in this is such a can of worms that it could take forever to get anything accomplished.
Some states have already adapted a salt water reg/license and have avoided all this $15 crap.

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #6 on: Dec 09, 2010, 03:47 PM »
I stay fairly close to the salt water scene and the whole problem with this thing is that all of the organizations can't really agree on what they want. The state has told us clearly that it will not be free, there will be some fee. This is when things get messed up,Some folks want a license, some just want a couple dollar registration fee.Because there is no agreement amongst the groups the legislation has just sat in committee. I believe the federal government has sent a clear message and now the state is motivated.
Of course the politics involved in this is such a can of worms that it could take forever to get anything accomplished.
Some states have already adapted a salt water reg/license and have avoided all this $15 crap.

I wouldn't mind paying for the federal permit IF it was valid in all states. It clearly stated on it last year if the state you are fishing needs you to have a saltwater license you have to have it ON TOP of the NOAA issued permit. So I get to pay $15-25 for federal and then pay again in NY, ME, MD, DE, ect when I fish them  ::) ::)
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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #7 on: Dec 09, 2010, 06:03 PM »
Ski,
I feel your pain.. It is federal, it should be for all US states, but then everyone wouldn't get their piece..I really don't even mind paying for a license, as long as they make that money go back to the fisheries, but they want it to go to the general treasury,which means it could be used for anything.

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #9 on: Dec 15, 2010, 06:15 PM »
I wouldn't mind paying for the federal permit IF it was valid in all states. It clearly stated on it last year if the state you are fishing needs you to have a saltwater license you have to have it ON TOP of the NOAA issued permit. So I get to pay $15-25 for federal and then pay again in NY, ME, MD, DE, ect when I fish them  ::) ::)
I don't think your right.  Im pretty sure if you buy a saltwater license from the state then you are automatically registered with the Feds; Im 99% sure of this. I know some people who live in NJ that bought a NY license since they figured might as well get a out of state license out of it. Either way I got my card in the mail today and im good until the 12/11/10.

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #10 on: Dec 15, 2010, 09:03 PM »
Got my card also but I won't pay for a NY licence so I stay on our side of Ambrose.

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #11 on: Dec 15, 2010, 10:39 PM »
nj has a very small side of the ambrose trust me. i fish on my buddies grady white pretty much all year long and ambrose is one of our hot spots for early/late stripers. not to mention the doormats we get. However coast guard is getting farely strict. Checking many and all boats in the ambrose for ny licences no matter which side. We have been checked atleast 5 times this past season. prior to that, never got stopped. booooo to saltwater lic fees.

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #12 on: Dec 16, 2010, 06:32 AM »
Kneedeep,
 You are partially correct. If you purchase a license in any state it registers you with the feds and as long as you are fishing in any other state that doesn't require a license you are golden. But if you register in a state that doesn't have a license its only good for free states. The reality here is that all states will have a salt water license or registration program soon,,it was mandated to be prior to this year . That is why we are scrambbling now, because NJ legislators didn't move on the mandate and the fishing associations should take a lot of the blame for that, as they argued amongst themselves as to which program to use and then of course nothing happened.

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #13 on: Dec 16, 2010, 07:27 AM »
Maybe more states should tell the feds where to put there mandates. All the fisheries get out of it is a beurocrat asking a few fishermen the wrong questions. But anyway get your card while it's free.

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #15 on: Dec 18, 2010, 04:29 PM »
Just received word that this bill is on the agenda to be voted on 12/20/10

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #16 on: Dec 19, 2010, 09:43 AM »
got my card also and herde ny wasnt doing a licence if the they dont i checked nj ny si ill be covered

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #17 on: Dec 19, 2010, 10:37 AM »
7 suffox couty towns sued and won. Don't know if it will carry over to the rest of NY coast.

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #18 on: Dec 19, 2010, 10:39 AM »
got my card also and herde ny wasnt doing a licence if the they dont i checked nj ny si ill be covered
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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #19 on: Dec 19, 2010, 04:22 PM »
NY has put their license on hold..As far as I know there is no word as to what their next plan is..They really have no choice but to do something.

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #20 on: Dec 19, 2010, 09:57 PM »
Lots of choices. One is like Shelter Island's and have a backbone. The take on my last posted article is what always was should be so the heck with DC and Albany.

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #21 on: Dec 20, 2010, 05:33 AM »
This is nothing more then another tax and you are correct we should say to h##l with DC but they hold the federal money hostage in order to force there way.. "we the people " have allowed this government to become what it is and NOW WHAT !!!!  thats a whole other thread...

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #22 on: Dec 21, 2010, 02:18 PM »
Just got word that the free registration bill passed the senate today (36-0) and is on its way to the Gov's desk.

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #23 on: Dec 21, 2010, 04:37 PM »
36-0 is hard too go against for a Gov. Done deal unless the Feds then pull a interstate commerce clause bit.

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Re: Saltwater registration
« Reply #24 on: Dec 22, 2010, 07:15 AM »
Reports have it that the Gov has said he will sign it..We will see... I personally don't expect it to stay free for long.They got pushed up against the wall and had to do something this year. One of the groups asked for a $21.50 salt water license, of course they are mostly a hunting oriented organization..Lots of politics in this thing!!

 



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