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Offline my-marty

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Trout stocking in eastern montana
« on: Feb 03, 2019, 09:12 AM »
Why is 90% of the fish stocking in eastern montana trout. I got the pond book a couple of months ago and almost every pond that is near glendive or most of eastern montana is annually stock with trout. Most of these ponds are shallow and not a good environment for trout. Personally I would rather see FWP abandon half these ponds, work to make the other half deeper and more sustainable, then stock them with fish that can actually survive in eastern montana like crappies, bluegills, bass, maybe even walleye or pike. Most of the ponds near me winterkilled last year or they quit stocking them because the are too shallow. This season I have been doing most of my pond fishing in North Dakota which is unfortunate since I pay taxes and support montana.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #1 on: Feb 03, 2019, 09:23 AM »
Trout unlimited probably helps them foot the bill for stocking.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #2 on: Feb 03, 2019, 01:06 PM »
If the trout are stocked just to die off then what is the point. Itís like wiping before you poop, it doesnít make any sense.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #3 on: Feb 03, 2019, 01:11 PM »
No it don't make sense, think they would try and make some viable fishing spots for people in that area. Too bad you have to spend extra money to go east to fish.  :'(

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #4 on: Feb 03, 2019, 01:36 PM »
We do have Gartside reservoir which has small bluegill, small perch, some pike and largemouth and is a 45 minute drive. There is also South sandstone reservoir which has small perch, pike, supposedly some crappie and walleye and is a 1.5 hour drive from glendive. So I canít say we have nothing but there is some ponds closer that have potential with some investment. My experience with ponds in western North Dakota is bigger fish and more variety.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #5 on: Feb 03, 2019, 01:39 PM »
Yea, be nice to have that closer. What's the nd license cost

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #6 on: Feb 03, 2019, 01:56 PM »
45 for annual

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #7 on: Feb 03, 2019, 02:02 PM »
That's not bad, still a shame you to shell it  out to get some decent fish, do buy bait or anything else in nd.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #8 on: Feb 03, 2019, 02:03 PM »
Lots of trout hatcheries

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #9 on: Feb 03, 2019, 02:11 PM »
Illegal to transport minnows across state lines for both North Dakota and montana. The good news is minnows are dirt cheap in North Dakota so a guy doesnít feel as bad dumping them or giving them to someone else on the ice before you leave.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #10 on: Feb 03, 2019, 02:20 PM »
Illegal to transport minnows across state lines for both North Dakota and montana. The good news is minnows are dirt cheap in North Dakota so a guy doesnít feel as bad dumping them or giving them to someone else on the ice before you leave.

More revenue lost for locals then, glad they're cheap so it's not costing alot to get rid of them.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #11 on: Feb 04, 2019, 10:53 AM »
Those ponds can produce some massive rainbows if we are not in drought cycle. That said when the trout winter kill so do the bass and panfish. Before the big drought in the 00s we enjoyed great bass and trout fishing in many ranch ponds around Jordan and sand springs.

FWP has far more trout hatchery space than warm water. The tide is turning in terms of what anglers like to catch and they are kind of behind that curve. Trout were very popular in eastern MT not that long ago and still are with many folks.

Even if it takes a new source of funding like the old warm water stamp I think they need to catch up. (And stock Ciscoís in CF!!!!)

That said if conditions are right panfish, bass and pike will self sustain while trout wonít. But those trout in eastern MT ponds can grow to huge sizes.  A nice mix is fine.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #12 on: Feb 04, 2019, 04:21 PM »
Montana seems to have a pretty bad attitude when it comes to a lot of fish other then Trout, it certainly
rules at all cost. I hope as was mentioned that that is starting to soften. There are a lot of us who love
to fish for all kinds of fish and would much rather eat warm water species, including Pike which seems to
be a dirty word here. We travel lots of miles to fish anything but trout, nothing against trout there are
just hundreds of places where they thrive and would like to see warm water stuff thrive where they can
without putting trout in those waters.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #13 on: Feb 04, 2019, 04:37 PM »
I'm chiming in just to show there is another Montanan who is in support of all fish, not just salmonoids. Yes, I appreciate the native fish and also fly fishing in the rivers and all of the trout things that make Montana so special for fishing tourism. But I don't know who needs to see a signed petition saying we all want cisco in CF or we would like some warm water species in some of the bigger bodies of water. Trout are neat and all, but there is something way more exciting about catching large predatory warm water species or eating pan fish.
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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #14 on: Feb 04, 2019, 06:42 PM »
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Trout are neat and all, but there is something way more exciting about catching large predatory warm water species or eating pan fish.

I completely agree and would like to add that everyone talks about the perch coming out of Cascade Lake but it produces some dandy rainbows as well.  They seem capable of cohabiting a body of water...maybe we should just let them mingle.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #15 on: Feb 04, 2019, 07:27 PM »
Okay not to get political to the sake of being political but there is a direct coorilation between which party is in the governors office and how agencies like FWP operate.

Look at who runs various commissions such as Fwp and then the Parks board and who appointed them. Then look at who the donors are and what their priorities are. 16 years of single party rule in the governors office has resulted in an ingrained mindset on both commissions. Both folks in charge of the respective commission/board are hardcore Democrats, both very active in party politics and thus also beholding to the donors. The State Park board has five appointees all pretty far left. Tom Towe who ran it until being fired is guy who has been giving Clint such a hard time at Hell Creek. Now chances are that Hell Creek will not even be open in the future.

So perhaps if we want a say then we need to make our voices heard above those who have recently moved to Missoula?  I for one will be quizzing both candidates next time around on FWP issues. It is the only way to changes the culture I suspect.


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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #16 on: Feb 04, 2019, 07:42 PM »
I like things just the way they are. Ponds around here have a nice variety of fish. We have trout ponds, perch ponds, bass and bluegill ponds and some with walleye and pike. We also have ponds with some of these species mixed together.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #17 on: Feb 04, 2019, 07:50 PM »
Okay not to get political to the sake of being political but there is a direct coorilation between which party is in the governors office and how agencies like FWP operate.

Look at who runs various commissions such as Fwp and then the Parks board and who appointed them. Then look at who the donors are and what their priorities are. 16 years of single party rule in the governors office has resulted in an ingrained mindset on both commissions. Both folks in charge of the respective commission/board are hardcore Democrats, both very active in party politics and thus also beholding to the donors. The State Park board has five appointees all pretty far left. Tom Towe who ran it until being fired is guy who has been giving Clint such a hard time at Hell Creek. Now chances are that Hell Creek will not even be open in the future.

So perhaps if we want a say then we need to make our voices heard above those who have recently moved to Missoula?  I for one will be quizzing both candidates next time around on FWP issues. It is the only way to changes the culture I suspect.



You mean the powers may be leaning to the $$$$ donors groups that have 20,000 years of study chiseled into rock and now is data who won't allow scientific review......Trout Unlimited?  ???
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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #18 on: Feb 04, 2019, 08:12 PM »
I like things just the way they are. Ponds around here have a nice variety of fish. We have trout ponds, perch ponds, bass and bluegill ponds and some with walleye and pike. We also have ponds with some of these species mixed together.
I bet you do lol, there are many times a year I wish I lived in Malta instead of glendive lol.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #19 on: Feb 04, 2019, 08:13 PM »
Wenger hit  that nail on the head...
There's initiatives coming down the pipe that will absolutely eff all of us....

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #20 on: Feb 04, 2019, 08:22 PM »
Wenger hit  that nail on the head...
There's initiatives coming down the pipe that will absolutely eff all of us....

Yeah, those were suppose to be secret.  If I would have stated that they would have banned me for 200 years and taken away my bait.
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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #21 on: Feb 05, 2019, 07:56 PM »
I bet you do lol, there are many times a year I wish I lived in Malta instead of glendive lol.

Kuesterís and Johnsonís reservoirs used to be good perch producers back in the day. I donít see any recent stocking info for them at fwp.mt.gov.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #22 on: Feb 06, 2019, 10:36 AM »
Johnson winterkilled last year. It was 5 ft deep, 6 ft from from full in 2017. I have never heard of Kuesters.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #23 on: Feb 06, 2019, 12:05 PM »
It's all about water for fish. Many of those ponds have silted in a lot since the 80's as well.  Krieder Ranch had two ponds that FWP stocked with trout and bass, both dried up as did the ponds off Valentine Rd in the Dry Blood drainage.  Used to be full of smallmouth and largemouth plus bluegill which are gone now.  Dried up muck holes last summer. The same problem has occured over much of eastern MT.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #24 on: Feb 07, 2019, 09:18 AM »
I also believe a lot of the reason for stocking trout is because many of these ponds and reservoirs have silted in to the point that they typically winter kill every couple years. Trout have faster growth rates than bass and a lot of other warm water fish, so they stand a chance to get to a decent size before the pond winter kills.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #25 on: Feb 07, 2019, 09:51 AM »
Kuester Lake (66 acres) and Krieder Reservoir (44 acres) are for irrigation.  Both are surrounded by private property. Was there or is there public access?
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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #26 on: Feb 07, 2019, 11:24 AM »
Not sure about these days, but Kuester Reservoir used to have a boat ramp. It produced some quality perch (1 lbers) in its heyday.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #27 on: Feb 07, 2019, 05:10 PM »
Kuester Lake (66 acres) and Krieder Reservoir (44 acres) are for irrigation.  Both are surrounded by private property. Was there or is there public access?

Yes they had public access with notification of the ranch. Part of the Fwp program.

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #28 on: Feb 07, 2019, 06:31 PM »
This is from 2017. Rattlesnake, Grants, and Prairie Goat might have some potential: https://myfwp.mt.gov/getRepositoryFile?objectID=84265

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Re: Trout stocking in eastern montana
« Reply #29 on: Feb 09, 2019, 07:20 AM »
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