I have always fished shiners. i had trapped/caught over 30 dz shiners before the ice came. I have them in a tank out doors. have only lost 3. used less than 3 dz but fished more this winter than I have ever fished before. I started jigging last year with limited luck. this year, i jigged all of time and have been having a ball doing it. catchng lots of fish. Next year, i'll be catching fewer shiners