Randomly came across this old topic during a web search for HardwaterCustomRods. Figured I'd revive it! I own 3 HW rods: a 28"M "Sweetheart", a 24"M "StCroix Legend w/ built in adjustable spring bobber", and a gorgeous little 20"L "QuiverStick". I'm thrilled with all of them. Especially the two shorter models. IMO, if you you can make a 20" rod feel balanced-- by choosing the approriate blank with a nice taper and flex, have proper eye spacing, finding the spline correctly, etc --I feel thats a sign of a very good rod builder. Now I've owned ThorneBros rods. Both ice rods and open water spinning rods up to 7'. Sure, the ThrBr rods are very nice. But they are also quite pricey. And break just as easily as less expensive rods. Lol. I havnt paid over $40 for any HW ice-stick, and I've never had an issue in 5+ yrs. I think right now there are a couple on his HW EBay page for $25 and less. They are very good rods, and come at great prices. I recommend.