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Offline mikeypmcg

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jiffy 3hp tuning info
« on: Jan 08, 2009, 09:14 AM »
some useful info i found about tuning your jiffy, hope it helps someone.

picture of carb set-up

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First change the spark plug and have fresh gas w/correct oil ratio.

The most common carb used on augers are the Walbro.
They all have a fuel pump which consists or a body and diaphragm. There’s a port goes from the carb through the gasket and into the crank. As the engine is turned over it sucks and blows though that port, in turn moves the diaphragm. That diaphragm can get stretched out or breakdown, in either case it can't pump the fuel like it should.
There’s also a gasket in the carb stack that has little flaps, those flaps allow gas movement in one direction. Those can go bad too.

Next is the fuel inlet valve, It opens and closes the flow of gas going into the carb determined by the fuel level.
It’s held in place and hinged on a fulcrum with an adjustable tang. That tang adjusts the fuel level in the carb.
With a float/bowl carb you adjust by the float drop but we're talking about a carb without a float & bowl right now.
In our case the tang should be level with the carb body.
If you look, the center of the pumps diaphragm will come in contact with the inlet needles tang. In both cases, float & bowl or bowless carb, The tip of the inlet needle can become damaged and either stick in place or become damaged enough to where gas will seep by when it should be closed.

So say your auger isn't running right and you take the carb off and clean it. You should buy a carb kit and replace the gaskets, diaphragm and inlet valve and seat too.


Not all Walbro carbs are the same. Some use both Low speed and High Speed mixture adjustment screw. Most times you can adjust the mixture to get the auger to run at its best but not if the diaphragm or valve/gaskets are bad.

Some and most new engines have internal jets. You'll have to take that carb apart to clean and replace the diaphragms and clean the jets. The jet is made of brass, its inside diaphragm is tiny so it doesn’t take much restriction to effect how the auger runs. Brass is also soft so don't enlarge the hole when you clean it.

Some augers with the fixed main jet will benefit from replacing that jet with a larger jet. I did just that with my Nils. Your auger might benefit from that too. Modern small engines have to conform to EPA standards. It’s impossible to get peak performance out an engine that has to meet those standards in cold weather conditions.
Normal operation was a good warm up till the auger would cut. Now you should warm any engine up before putting a load on it but the warm time up required for the Nils seemed extreme. Once warm though it cut like no other auger.
I went from a .37 to a .38 main jet. End result, no long warm up times and more power when under load. I'll get into that mod with pictures at a later date.

Back to the tune up.
This will be for the Walbro carbs with the High and Low Speed mixture. Your carb will have an L and k stamped into the carb body. There’s also an idle speed set screw.
Let the engine warm up. Start with the Low speed mixture. Turn it in (clockwise) till the engine starts to run high and or slow down. Now turn it out till the engine runs at its highest RPM. You can go in and out to get it at that point.
Once you get Low speed adjusted so the engine run at its highest/smoothest point you turn the screw out till it starts to just slow down. Why wouldn't you leave it where it runs at its highest point? Because it’s running lean there and will be hard to get started. Turning out will richen the mixture so you won't have to pull on the rope more then a couple times to start it.

Now you have to adjust the High Speed. This should be done under load/cutting ice. Adjust till you get to the point of max RPMs and then again turn the screw out till it you notice the engine slowing down. Do that and you won't be running lean; Running lean will burn an engine out. That’s especially important if you like drilling a series of holes one after another.

Basically there are 3 adjustments to a carb. Idle speed- is a simple stop screw on the external linkage to set idle speed.

Low Speed Adjustment- this will meter the gas/air mixture inside the carb.

High Speed- this will meter the gas/air mixture at high speeds.

Turning in - Clockwise = lean
Turning out - Counter Clockwise= Richen.

If the won't run without having to prime or without giving throttle you are too lean at Idle Speed. You want to richen that mixture.

At high speeds if the engine won't run without priming you'll need to richen that adjustment.

In an attempt to make small engines friendlier, we start seeing limiter caps on High and Low Speed adjustments or no adjustments at all and fixed jets are used.

If this is a problem that has just started then you should look into having the carb cleaned and rebuilt.

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Re: jiffy 3hp tuning info
« Reply #1 on: Jan 15, 2009, 05:40 PM »
Last night i adjusted the high and low speed carb adjustments. This wasn't the problem, just wanted to make sure. I also poured sea foam into the air intake and into the cylinder through spark plug hole. still didn't fix the problem. The problem is the auger will idle fine and run great at wide open throttle for 13 seconds then starts pulsating and not running smoothly. it will pulsate for a few seconds then start bogging down and if you stay in the gas it will stall out. if you let off the gas it will idle fine, you give it a few seconds then you can open it up for another 13 seconds like clockwork. It happens repeatedly. sometimes after 13 seconds it will pulsate (rev, slow, rev, slow) but never actually die out. Not sure where to go from here or what the problem is. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: jiffy 3hp tuning info
« Reply #2 on: Jan 15, 2009, 08:59 PM »
Governor spring?

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Re: jiffy 3hp tuning info
« Reply #3 on: Jan 16, 2009, 07:42 AM »
not sure what to do with the governor spring? is it adjustable or need maintanace or just replace it completely. not really sure what it's function is. can you explain it to me please?
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Re: jiffy 3hp tuning info
« Reply #4 on: Jan 16, 2009, 11:12 AM »
Replace it completely.  I am not a mechanic.  This is just a guess. But if everything else is working (starts, idles, revs, etc) just cuts out under power...
Might also be the fuel pump/diaphragm.  Are you sure the gas cap vent is open/clear?  And you're sure the carb is clean and working properly?

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Re: jiffy 3hp tuning info
« Reply #5 on: Jan 16, 2009, 11:24 AM »
I agree, sounds like a governor problem. How the governor works on a small engine like that is there is a metal plate that sits close to the cooling vanes on the flywheel up on top of the engine which is hooked to the throttle valve. Your hand throttle attaches to that through a spring. When the engine gets to a certain RPM, the wind moved by the cooling vanes pushes on the governor plate, which overcomes the springs it is attached to and pulls the throttle back to slow the engine. Sounds like what is happening is the engine is over-revving and getting ahead of the spark timing then stalling out. The spring between your hand throttle and the governor might be getting soft. Try replacing it (most small engine shops should have one, i don't imagine they're too expensive) and see if it helps. I wouldn't advise getting rid of the governor, you could over rev the engine and spin a bearing or score the cylinder wall.
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Re: jiffy 3hp tuning info
« Reply #6 on: Jan 16, 2009, 01:13 PM »
The spring between your hand throttle and the governor might be getting soft. 

This is the one I'd go after first.  Just a guess.

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Re: jiffy 3hp tuning info
« Reply #7 on: Jan 20, 2009, 08:57 PM »
Hey guys, well i had to rebuild the carb. I sprayed carb cleaner into the carb which ended up ruining the diaphragm. I replaced the diaphragm and gasket as well as rebuilt and cleaned the carb. got it running again and it is still dying out after running for about 13 seconds under open throttle, might not even take that long now. I don't believe it is the governor spring because i use my finger to operate the throttle instead of throttle lever and it still cut out. i haven't messed with the air to fuel mixture spring which is located about the high and low speed adjustment. I don't want to mess with that unless i have to. anyone else have any suggestions as to what could be wrong and how to fix it?
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Re: jiffy 3hp tuning info
« Reply #8 on: Jan 22, 2009, 08:22 AM »
Check your fuel line, the inside can swell and reduce flow while the outside looks fine. Anytime I've had an engine run for a short period of time then quite in the last 2 months, it's been a fuel delivery issue. Check from the nozzle in the bottom of the tank, maybe there's a piece of plastic from an oil bottle or something that's partially covering the hole. Check the inside of the fuel line, the diameter should closely match the diameter of the openings in the hose nipples that it hooks to. I know you had the carb off and cleaned it, but give a close for any varnish or gunk buildup in the fuel inlet nipple. Also, check the thin little hose that runs from the carb to the crankcase, thats what pulses the diaphragm and moves the fuel into the carb, if that line is leaking anywhere, that could be your problem. If all that doesn't help.....try changing the spark plug? Even if it's new, I've had bad plugs straight out of the box that have cause me huge headaches that didn't make any sense, but the second i changed the plug out of frustration, the engine ran fine. Good Luck!
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Re: jiffy 3hp tuning info
« Reply #9 on: Jan 22, 2009, 04:14 PM »
those are all definitely good tips, i will look into that. I have changed the plug so i can rule that out but i will check the other lines to be sure its not one of them . Thanks, if anyone else has pointers keep them coming. i just bought the auger and it frustrates me that i can't get it to run the way it should.
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Re: jiffy 3hp tuning info
« Reply #10 on: Jan 22, 2009, 06:05 PM »
Find a buddy (who is a goooood friend) that has a Model 30 that runs well.
"Borrow" his carburetor, springs, etc. By strategically swapping out parts
you might be able to nail the culprit.  Good luck.

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