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Offline habaneromoon

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TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« on: Dec 05, 2007, 03:26 PM »
 ANYONE KNOW IF TOMS OR CONES POINT HAS ANY BAIT YET?? BOUGHT A TREE AT TOMS THE OTHER DAY AND THERE WAS NO BAIT IN THE TANKS. FORGOT TO ASK WHEN IT WAS COMING IN. NEED IT TO FISH SAT.

Offline andy VT

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #1 on: Dec 06, 2007, 11:29 AM »
TOMS BAIT WILL HAVE BAIT FRIDAY AFTERNOON

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #2 on: Dec 06, 2007, 11:31 AM »
thats awesome andy thanks! ;D

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #3 on: Dec 09, 2007, 04:36 PM »
does tom's bait have hunts yet

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #4 on: Dec 09, 2007, 05:52 PM »
dont you know we cant sell ore anyone even use them!

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #5 on: Dec 09, 2007, 06:23 PM »
so u are saying we cant use EASTERN SILVERY MINNOW aka hunts or pin heads?  also can someone tell me where i can find the list of all the bait we can and can't use?

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #6 on: Dec 09, 2007, 06:28 PM »
  you can only use fatheads,arkensas,suckers

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #7 on: Dec 09, 2007, 06:39 PM »
can u use both types of suckers (longnose and white)

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #8 on: Dec 09, 2007, 06:43 PM »
i dont know  do you live near hogisland bait

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #9 on: Dec 09, 2007, 06:48 PM »
yeah but i'm at school right now. andy vt do u know the ice conditions of chittenden reservoir?

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #10 on: Dec 09, 2007, 06:51 PM »
no i dont but they are fishing southern shamplain

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #11 on: Dec 09, 2007, 06:55 PM »
yeah there are people fishing around hog island in some of the small bays and also carmi is complete froze im told

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #12 on: Dec 10, 2007, 08:05 AM »

The new regulation info can be found here.
http://www.vtfishandwildlife.com/vhs.cfm

Below is the list of what is allowed.  The question becomes what can the bait shop order from an approved source.

The following fish species are the only approved species of
fish for use as bait in Vermont.
Eastern silvery minnow
Fathead minnow
Bluntnose minnow
Emerald shiner
Golden shiner
Spottail shiner
Common shiner
Mimic shiner
Creek chub
Fallfish
Blacknose dace
Longnose dace
Northern redbelly dace
White sucker
Longnose sucker
Rainbow Smelt


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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #13 on: Dec 10, 2007, 05:31 PM »
The new regulation info can be found here.
http://www.vtfishandwildlife.com/vhs.cfm

Below is the list of what is allowed.  The question becomes what can the bait shop order from an approved source.

The following fish species are the only approved species of
fish for use as bait in Vermont.
Eastern silvery minnow
Fathead minnow
Bluntnose minnow
Emerald shiner
Golden shiner
Spottail shiner
Common shiner
Mimic shiner
Creek chub
Fallfish
Blacknose dace
Longnose dace
Northern redbelly dace
White sucker
Longnose sucker
Rainbow Smelt


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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #14 on: Dec 10, 2007, 05:33 PM »
thanks LBD for the web and the list guess its not quite as bad as it sounded but still not good will see wed   price wise how things are

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #15 on: Dec 10, 2007, 06:06 PM »
Hang on. I see shiner in that list. I thought they were illegeal?

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #16 on: Dec 10, 2007, 06:13 PM »
No Andrew I don't think I do either. lol. Please explain asap.

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #17 on: Dec 10, 2007, 06:16 PM »
I may be wrong but I think the best way to find out what  the hell we can use is call the bait shops and ask what they have.  Its a lot better then saying that one person dose not know what they are talking about and all that crap..... It sucks for use all just make a phone call people.......jim s

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #18 on: Dec 10, 2007, 06:19 PM »
Sooo, you can't use shiners at all, right? Not even if you jig them up yourself out of the lake, throw them on a hook and put them back down the hole on the same lake?

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #19 on: Dec 10, 2007, 06:21 PM »
that may be fine just like pech and smelt I may be wrong.......jim  s

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #20 on: Dec 10, 2007, 06:31 PM »
So you can't put those in a bait box on the same lake?

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #21 on: Dec 11, 2007, 08:44 AM »
The only thing you as a fisherman can jig up and use for bait are yellow perch and smelt, and those have to be used where you jigged them. I'm not sure if you can keep smelt for extended periods in a bait box yet.

The only people who can trap and sell the fish on the approved bait list are COMMERCIAL CHAMPLAIN BAIT DEALERS and can only sell those fish for CHAMPLAIN. So if you fish Champlain, you should be able to get whatever you got before. If you fish places OTHER than Champlain, you will be limited to what the INLAND bait dealers can get from farm raised approved sources.

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #22 on: Dec 11, 2007, 09:33 AM »
Ok now im confused. I thought you could use shiners that you jig up on that same lake on the same day.

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #23 on: Dec 11, 2007, 04:57 PM »
Look at the "Personal Baitfish Use FAQ" in the Emergency Baitfish Rules on the VT F & W website.

An angler cannot harvest baitfish for use on that body of water, whether it is with hook and line or trap, but you can catch with hook and line, yellow perch and smelt for use at bait on that body of water.

It think even if you are on Champlain you can only harvest yellow perch and smelt as bait for Champlain, but you could have wild baitfish in your possession provided that they came from a Champlain bait dealer and have your receipt.


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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #24 on: Dec 11, 2007, 06:14 PM »
I think there will be a lot of tickets writen up this year.

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #25 on: Dec 11, 2007, 06:33 PM »
pike dude you just hit the nail on the head:)

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #26 on: Dec 12, 2007, 04:08 AM »
I just stoped at a bait shop yesterday and they showed me the book they have to keep and it is pretty messed up.your name the time the date  and 1 place you are going to use them. Dont get caught anywhere else with them. when you leave you must dump them and thats it. Maybe someone should set up a bait holdind area on the lake so we do not need to dump them. A Shanty with bunch of hooks. Leave your bucket and come back the next day and BANG you have bait that is still good and less then the 48 hours dead line.   The regs say you can not leave that body of water with the bait once you start to use it. So just leave it there..........jim s

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #27 on: Dec 12, 2007, 04:41 AM »
It is going to be a PITA any way you look at it.Hope these public meetings they are talking about come soon.We have always had a bait box in the lake beside the shanty.BB

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #28 on: Dec 12, 2007, 07:11 AM »
we used to do the same years ago when we fished Mallettes bay but that place has gone to hell. But anyways I dont see why you still cant save them that way for the weekend you do have a 48 hour leway with the bait you buy. Thats how they are putting the!!!!!!!!!!!   to us is that you have to hold a sales slip for the bait you have. What a mess. For us who used to jigg our own bait and use that we cant do that anymore what a shame. I know this guy who is all set up for keeping bait and did very well with jigging smelt and keeping them alive for a nother day. All that is junk now no use to him...Big $$$ lost. Im still tring to get an answer on dead smelt if we can use them anywhere. Pike will eat them......jim s

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Re: TOMS BAIT/CONES POINT
« Reply #29 on: Dec 12, 2007, 07:37 AM »
I've been told that public meetings will come in February. Some of the changes you have been talking about are being concidered.

Right now, you can't bring bait off the lake and you only have 48 hours to use it, so the idea to leave it at the lake for use the next day is what I am going to be doing.

Pike dude, Fish Farmer is correct, the only thing you can catch and use as bait are yellow perch and smelt.  Hopefully that is going to change in February when the final rule is written.  To clarify - No live fish can leave the water or ice where they are caught.  So, if you catch perch and smelt for your bait they have to be used there, not moved to another lake.  The way I understand it, you can put the smelt in a bait box on the lake you catch them.



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