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Offline mzhoward

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Fishing near permanent shacks?
« on: Jan 24, 2023, 07:02 PM »
Whatís the maine unwritten rules about fishing near permanent ice shacks?

I specifically mean if you show up and they are in occupied.  They generally sit on the bet spots, especially in warm water lakes and ponds, right over the honey holes.
Mia it okay to set traps near them? How about around them?

Iíve always avoided them or stayed to one side, but Iíve been tempted to sit right next to one and fish in all directions.

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #1 on: Jan 24, 2023, 07:24 PM »
Really, let me know where your fishing and I'll come sit in your lap, about one of the most ignorant statements I've seen.

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #2 on: Jan 24, 2023, 07:27 PM »
Shacks do not claim spots on the water. There is not an issue with fishing around an unoccupied shack at all (personally I would not completely crowd one)

With that being said I would be willing to move to a side a bit if they showed up, courtesy and respect go a long ways and it is a good way to meet new fishing buddies as well. The other thing to consider is the closer you are to some ones shack, the more likely someone is going to be a bit uneasy in todays world where a$$hats steal and break into other peoples shacks.

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #3 on: Jan 24, 2023, 07:33 PM »
Whatís the maine unwritten rules about fishing near permanent ice shacks?

I specifically mean if you show up and they are in occupied.  They generally sit on the bet spots, especially in warm water lakes and ponds, right over the honey holes.
Mia it okay to set traps near them? How about around them?

Iíve always avoided them or stayed to one side, but Iíve been tempted to sit right next to one and fish in all directions.

I look at this several ways. If its a dumpster fire of a pond, with heavy pressure, all the time, Ill set up a little closer to a shack in some cases. If I have the ability to set elsewhere, I will. I have a distance I try to stick to, 50-100 ft is my personal limit on a very popular lake. Only broke it a handful of times in my 20+ years of ice fishing. If its a large, less pressured lake,I  personally don't want to be that close to people, and see no reason set up around them. I ice fish to get away from people, not set up close enough to hear their conversations. Ive have many people over the years pack up and set right next to me because I was catching more fish. Im not one to make much of a scene, especially nowadays with all the crazy, unstable people running around. Don't want to get in a fire fight over a fishing spot. Just my .02.
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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #4 on: Jan 24, 2023, 08:16 PM »
Oops, original post should have read ďif they are unoccupied.Ē

I am way too insecure to get within 50 yards of someone elseís set up.

Besides, I got enough kids already trying sit in my lap so I can put their mittens back on.

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #5 on: Jan 24, 2023, 08:23 PM »
Oops, original post should have read ďif they are unoccupied.Ē

I am way too insecure to get within 50 yards of someone elseís set up.

Besides, I got enough kids already trying sit in my lap so I can put their mittens back on.

Still wouldn't do it, never know when they may show up, I'm all about distancing from other people

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #6 on: Jan 25, 2023, 04:35 AM »
Went to a favorite fishing spot last year, 6 miles up the lake, and usually if there is someone there I'll move on but this time there was a rental shack there, didn't bother me to set up beside it ( not around it , no one in it).
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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #7 on: Jan 25, 2023, 05:04 AM »
If it isn't occupied...I sit wherever I want. The shack itself does not lay claim to that spot on the ice. Now, if someone shows up while I'm still there...I will probably move. Just a courtesy thing. But I certainly wouldn't have to. First come, first serve. If it was occupied, then I would treat it as if someone was sitting on a bucket without a shack. Typically, I fish no closer than 50' from someone. That's plenty of distance in my book.
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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #8 on: Jan 25, 2023, 05:21 AM »
I say keep some distance from peoples shack . I had some hobo fisherman drill a hole 3 foot from my door when I wasnít there. They used my shanty as a wind block. It wasnít that cold out the next time out and my buddy stepped in the slushed over hole .


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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #9 on: Jan 25, 2023, 06:32 AM »
Really, let me know where your fishing and I'll come sit in your lap, about one of the most ignorant statements I've seen.
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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #10 on: Jan 25, 2023, 06:44 AM »
So, Say I've fished a coord for years, regularly. I come out and find a shack EXACTLY where I fish. The Strcuture is perfect. I wouldn't fish RIGHT next to the shack if occupied, but nearby, and would likely talk with the folks. If they aren't there. I'll fish where I want. It's not a friggin tree stand. I'd hunt that spot too, If I'd been there historically.... within reason.... and not in the stand.
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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #11 on: Jan 25, 2023, 08:19 AM »
Didn't know there was such a thing as a "permanent" shack!  If there is, I hope the owner bought the land under the bottom of the lake.  Public lakes are just that, public.  Some of you guys wouldn't fish next to a shack left out on a lake and that's your prerogative.  But I have to question what you would do if you knew the guy put out the shack just to keep people from fishing a particular location.   And, I've seen shacks on the ice that may get fished out of two or three times a year.  Even if they get fished more often, if it is empty it is fair game, as far as I'm concerned.  Obviously, I don't walk right up and spud a hole next to one if it is occupied, but I wouldn't do that to someone sitting out on the ice without a shack either!  Here in Michgan, it is against the law to lock a shack left out on the ice.  The law is intended to allow fisherman to take shelter in an emergency.  I have always thought if you lock your shack, you are advertising that you have something worth stealing in it.  In todays world with so many people who just don't care about another's property, why would you put out a sign saying free fishing gear?  As for hunting, I use to hunt state land all the time and like fishing, I really don't care to hunt near someone else.  On one of my hunts I found a tree stand.  First and foremost, tree stands need to have the owners name and phone number on them, this one had neither.  It was in a spot I had hunted for years and usually done pretty good there.  Everytime I hunted, I passed the stand and took notice that it wasn't being used.  After the end of the season I walked by it and it was still there.   The next year I went scouting before the season and found it was still in the tree.  Michigan's law state that you cannot put out permanent stands on state land.  On opening morning I put my climber up the tree I had always hunted out of, about 30 yards away from what I considered a permanent stand.  I hunted that spot for the next three days.  On the fifth day I was in my stand and about 10am a guy comes walking up and I could tell he was pissed off that I was in "his" spot.  He began by telling me that he hunted there last year and he thought I was an idiot for moving into "his" area!  I politely told him that I had hunted out of this very same tree for over 20 years, up until last year.  I also told him that I had been keeping an eye on his stand, which was illegal, and had noticed that he never used it.  He promptly called me every name he could think of as he climbed into the stand and began taking it down.  The very next day I shot a very nice 8pt buck out of the same tree I had hunted for years.  I'll not hunt next to someone but if they put up a stand to claim a spot and rarly use it, the area is fair game!  Public land isn't intended to be monopolized by "one" person!  Just saying.

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #12 on: Jan 25, 2023, 10:47 AM »
First come, first servedÖif you canít get out of bed in time to get your spot, thatís your own faultÖ

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #13 on: Jan 25, 2023, 12:18 PM »
First come, first servedÖif you canít get out of bed in time to get your spot, thatís your own faultÖ
My sentiments exactly

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #14 on: Jan 25, 2023, 01:08 PM »
A shack certainly does not claim any area around it, if it is occupied I treat it like I treat anyone else on the ice with respect and keep a good distance from it, as I would expect the same in return "doesnt always happen". If the shack is Not occupied I have no problem fishing close to it if I am marking fish, if the owner comes to their shack then they can fish in it but as far as I am concerned I was on the ice fishing before they got there and they should show me the same level of respect that I would show them if they beat me out there and were actively setup and fishing. Of course I would never drill a hole right outside the door or on top of the shack, common sense and good fishing etiquette should prevail.

An example to me of stupidity..... A few years back me and a couple of friends walked out about 4:00am in the dark on Sebago to fish the tournament. Someone had a portable hut up so we setup our area a very good distance from the hut which appeared to be empty. we drilled some holes around us in our area and setup. Shortly after sunrise the guys come out on the their sleds, what I did not know is someone drilled holes not far from where I was setup but they were just holes, no traps or any indication of someone fishing.... one of the guys came flying over to me yelling how close I was to his unused holes.... That to me is plain stupidity.... Also he did not win the argument and it almost turned into a full on fight, lucky for him that he decided to back off.... Again to me it is all common sense... tight lines everyone!!! enjoy this sport we all love!!  :tipup: :tipup:

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #15 on: Jan 25, 2023, 04:39 PM »
This topic comes up every year, and the issue is one of the reasons I rarely ice fish anymore, especially for game fish.

The whole shack thing gets in my craw.  As far as I'm concerned, a structure on the ice doesn't give anyone more rights to a spot than relieving themselves and leaving a yellow stain.  That said, I won't be fishing anywhere near their precious monument. People are just too darn territorial, with game fish bringing out the absolute worst in people.  I have stories  aplenty, but one on a Central Maine lake stands out.  I arrived at the lake and found 2 guys fishing out of a shack in the general area I wanted to fish.  Before I cut a single hole, I talked with both of them about where I planned to fish and they were totally fine with it.  2 hours later, after I'd caught 5 togue, they were flagless and had a change of heart.  One guy came steaming over and blew up about "allowing"  me to fish so close.  Really....I asked first.  I'm not sure how it de-escalated, but honestly I wouldn't have cared if they had  thumped me.  I love the Wizard of Oz.....how about a little fire scarecrow.  A matter of self defense at that point.

Another time, a buddy and I drilled a few holes to jig for a few warm water fish.  We were a good 150 feet from an active shack  Out they came...."a little to close, aren't we?"  This time, my buddy got wound up.  I paced off some spots, a bit further out and got their "approval".  I told my buddy the best way to handle these guys was to fish circles around them, which we did. We added a "look at this hawg" shout to each sizable fish iced.

Another line of carp floating around is that people on foot follow the shacks around for spots.  Not in my experience.  I recall one time on thin,early ice when someone at a camp had the binocs trained on me.  I guess they couldn't deal with walking and sitting on a bucket, but sure as heck they dragged a shack right out as soon as the ice thickened.

On another outing, the owners of a distant shack got bored and decided to do donuts with their 4-wheeler in the corn ice all around me.  The driver was either stupid or a wise guy or both. He asks "how's the fishing?"  I just say "it's loud".  A few tense moments followed, but it tailed off.  I rubbed a few nice fish in their faces later.

I'll leave the sea stories there.  Most folks who know me think I'm a decent guy.  I avoid confrontation. I'm not real big and I'm long in the tooth, but have been known to bite and my most recent rabies test was inconclusive.  Hardwater can lead to hard time, and those sleep overs of yesteryear with the police aren't high on my list. 

End it with....no ill will, tight lines and I hope you enjoy your ice time.

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #16 on: Jan 25, 2023, 04:49 PM »
This topic comes up every year, and the issue is one of the reasons I rarely ice fish anymore, especially for game fish.

The whole shack thing gets in my craw.  As far as I'm concerned, a structure on the ice doesn't give anyone more rights to a spot than relieving themselves and leaving a yellow stain.  That said, I won't be fishing anywhere near their precious monument. People are just too darn territorial, with game fish bringing out the absolute worst in people.  I have stories  aplenty, but one on a Central Maine lake stands out.  I arrived at the lake and found 2 guys fishing out of a shack in the general area I wanted to fish.  Before I cut a single hole, I talked with both of them about where I planned to fish and they were totally fine with it.  2 hours later, after I'd caught 5 togue, they were flagless and had a change of heart.  One guy came steaming over and blew up about "allowing"  me to fish so close.  Really....I asked first.  I'm not sure how it de-escalated, but honestly I wouldn't have cared if they had  thumped me.  I love the Wizard of Oz.....how about a little fire scarecrow.  A matter of self defense at that point.

Another time, a buddy and I drilled a few holes to jig for a few warm water fish.  We were a good 150 feet from an active shack  Out they came...."a little to close, aren't we?"  This time, my buddy got wound up.  I paced off some spots, a bit further out and got their "approval".  I told my buddy the best way to handle these guys was to fish circles around them, which we did. We added a "look at this hawg" shout to each sizable fish iced.

Another line of carp floating around is that people on foot follow the shacks around for spots.  Not in my experience.  I recall one time on thin,early ice when someone at a camp had the binocs trained on me.  I guess they couldn't deal with walking and sitting on a bucket, but sure as heck they dragged a shack right out as soon as the ice thickened.

On another outing, the owners of a distant shack got bored and decided to do donuts with their 4-wheeler in the corn ice all around me.  The driver was either stupid or a wise guy or both. He asks "how's the fishing?"  I just say "it's loud".  A few tense moments followed, but it tailed off.  I rubbed a few nice fish in their faces later.

I'll leave the sea stories there.  Most folks who know me think I'm a decent guy.  I avoid confrontation. I'm not real big and I'm long in the tooth, but have been known to bite and my most recent rabies test was inconclusive.  Hardwater can lead to hard time, and those sleep overs of yesteryear with the police aren't high on my list. 

End it with....no ill will, tight lines and I hope you enjoy your ice time.
🤣🤣 pretty sure that last incident had me involved which was many years ago. Pretty sure we contemplated calling the wardens lol.

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #17 on: Jan 25, 2023, 05:03 PM »
A shack certainly does not claim any area around it, if it is occupied I treat it like I treat anyone else on the ice with respect and keep a good distance from it, as I would expect the same in return "doesnt always happen". If the shack is Not occupied I have no problem fishing close to it if I am marking fish, if the owner comes to their shack then they can fish in it but as far as I am concerned I was on the ice fishing before they got there and they should show me the same level of respect that I would show them if they beat me out there and were actively setup and fishing. Of course I would never drill a hole right outside the door or on top of the shack, common sense and good fishing etiquette should prevail.

An example to me of stupidity..... A few years back me and a couple of friends walked out about 4:00am in the dark on Sebago to fish the tournament. Someone had a portable hut up so we setup our area a very good distance from the hut which appeared to be empty. we drilled some holes around us in our area and setup. Shortly after sunrise the guys come out on the their sleds, what I did not know is someone drilled holes not far from where I was setup but they were just holes, no traps or any indication of someone fishing.... one of the guys came flying over to me yelling how close I was to his unused holes.... That to me is plain stupidity.... Also he did not win the argument and it almost turned into a full on fight, lucky for him that he decided to back off.... Again to me it is all common sense... tight lines everyone!!! enjoy this sport we all love!!  :tipup: :tipup:

While I won't pretend to know ALL the rules and laws of any state...including my own...I'm gonna guess on this one: Any hole, old or new, open or closed, etc. that is "unoccupied" (meaning no tipup, Jawjacker, rod and reel or any other fishing device) is fair game. Period.
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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #18 on: Jan 25, 2023, 05:18 PM »
While I won't pretend to know ALL the rules and laws of any state...including my own...I'm gonna guess on this one: Any hole, old or new, open or closed, etc. that is "unoccupied" (meaning no tipup, Jawjacker, rod and reel or any other fishing device) is fair game. Period.


The irony of this is that I didnít even use his empty hole that he wasnít even around to claim , I didnít even see the holes as it was still kind of dark, I drilled my own and then he decided it was time to come back on the ice and fish and try to bully meÖ. Someone else said people get territorial and that is true but itís not me. Having etiquette and respect for others is important to me and all I ask is the same I return.

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #19 on: Jan 25, 2023, 05:18 PM »
Yes, Nick, you were there ;D  You recall that time, other people recall other times, and some remind of times I've forgotten. I guess I have bad luck :o

🤣🤣 pretty sure that last incident had me involved which was many years ago. Pretty sure we contemplated calling the wardens lol.

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« Reply #20 on: Jan 25, 2023, 05:29 PM »
Yes, Nick, you were there ;D  You recall that time, other people recall other times, and some remind of times I've forgotten. I guess I have bad luck :o
Lol I had honestly forgot all about that time until you retold that story.

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #21 on: Jan 25, 2023, 05:36 PM »
Pretty sad thread.
I like to treat others as Iíd like to be treated by them, on the ice I like plenty of space. 
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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #22 on: Jan 25, 2023, 05:49 PM »
Pretty sad thread.
I like to treat others as Iíd like to be treated by them, on the ice I like plenty of space. 
I donít expect ďmy spotĒ to be open, if it is great, if not Iíll try another, karma.
If you have to ask, youíre too close.

Absolutely, I expect to be crowded a bit during fishing derbies, even had a guy and his his kids that I invited to fish after we found lots of fish ask if he was too close. 

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #23 on: Jan 25, 2023, 06:00 PM »
I ain't big enough to fight (fairly), but I trust my patience less every year. I hope it starts to swing the other way soon.

That said, I'm courteous and avoid confrontation as much as possible. The situation has never come up for me, but I imagine I'd regard it the same as open water: if I can read your shirt, or tell what beer you're drinking, we're too close. On the ice, I imagine I'd gauge it by 'of I can hit your property with a snowball, we're too close.

I'm willing to move if the space becomes occupied, it'll encourage me to try new new things in new places. But it will probably ruin my mood for the day, as the audacity of staking claim on a public lake is asinine. That 'manifest destiny' nonsense went out 150 years ago
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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #24 on: Jan 25, 2023, 06:27 PM »
My favorite spot on my favorite pond always has a shack there. The folks have been fishing it a long time. They are never there and I fish right next to it. If they are there I fish a different spot, far away.

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #25 on: Jan 25, 2023, 06:41 PM »
I won't fish close to a shack. By close, I mean closer than I would get to another boat in open water while casting lures. I think about 75-100 yards seems right in general. More on a big lake.

Having said that, although I try to live and let live, the fact that it's legal to leave them out for the season aggravates me. As others have said, it's simply staking a claim to public water enabled by the state. I own a hardside, and drag it out and back every day when I use it. Or just take the flipover.

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #26 on: Jan 25, 2023, 06:44 PM »
To me it's all about having a good time. If I'm catching great. If not great as well. A nice peaceful day on the ice is what I'm looking for. And I agree. I don't want to be close to others.... Unless I know them. It's always nice to talk with anyone around that's looking to be friendly. Be respectful and be polite to everyone. But I always have something special for the bully/ tough guys that want to intimidate and run their mouths. It's terrible that people have to be that way.  And watch out for my 10" model 30 holes if you do come around  stay safe everyone. Tight lines!! ;D :tipup: :tipup: :tipup:
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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #27 on: Jan 25, 2023, 08:02 PM »
One of my problems is that I have a LONG memory for the bad encounters.  I don't forget much ;)  It can be a blessing or a curse.

Lol I had honestly forgot all about that time until you retold that story.

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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #28 on: Jan 25, 2023, 08:44 PM »
The older I get, the more entitlement and audacity I experience on and off the ice! What makes one think itís ok to enter somebodyís shack just because the door isnít locked? As far as staking out a ďprime spotĒ because someone put a shack on it, thatís just ridiculous! There are many more way important issues to whine about. Go fish a different spot, or go to a different impoundment if you canít respect another personís rights.
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Re: Fishing near permanent shacks?
« Reply #29 on: Jan 25, 2023, 09:24 PM »
I've had guys set up right on me.  I actually like the competition.  There's nothing better than out fishing someone who sets right up on you.  Location is just one part of the equation.  If they out fish me then I start cooking some lunch and turn it into a learning opportunity. 
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