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Offline oldschoolben

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Some people are clueless!
« on: Jan 09, 2022, 07:58 PM »
Went out fishing today and came across where someone had been fishing, they left old bait containers, and cigarette butts everywhere , and chew as well, it really pisses me off to be honest!!!  I'm sure whoever was there won't read this  ,but just wanted to vent,

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #1 on: Jan 09, 2022, 08:03 PM »
Unfortunately this happens an UNBELIEVABLE  amount everywhere you go. Really sad they don't think of the impact this makes on ALL the areas, water or woods.

I always say as conservationists, we are our worst enemy.

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #2 on: Jan 10, 2022, 08:04 AM »
Went out fishing today and came across where someone had been fishing, they left old bait containers, and cigarette butts everywhere , and chew as well, it really pisses me off to be honest!!!  I'm sure whoever was there won't read this  ,but just wanted to vent,
Saw a fishing vid the other day where this old pos was flipping his butts in the lake...everyone was defending him because he was old.....these guys are the reason you cant go anywhere without seeing beer cans,cig butts and other garbage in the woods.Same goes for all thier perch skins ect,if you have to leave it out there put it down a hole when you leave.
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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #3 on: Jan 10, 2022, 08:46 AM »
Saw a fishing vid the other day where this old pos was flipping his butts in the lake...everyone was defending him because he was old.....these guys are the reason you cant go anywhere without seeing beer cans,cig butts and other garbage in the woods.Same goes for all thier perch skins ect,if you have to leave it out there put it down a hole when you leave.
  I've been a hunter and fisherman for over fifty years now.  I truely believe that "EVERYONE" has the right to their opinion, especially on a website designed to iniate conversation.  Even though I believe that it is your right, I have to say that in this case you are wrong!  Encouraging litters to put their trash down the hole is not a good thing.  Obviously, it wouldn't be around for others to see, but it will still be poluting the water.  And, if I can't see what you are leaving behind, I can't do my part to help keep the water clean!  I do agree that the ice would look better, but doing what you said is actually worse then leaving the trash on the ice.  There is no chance of someone disposing of it properly if a plastic worm container is laying at the bottom of a lake.  Just saying.

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #4 on: Jan 10, 2022, 09:35 AM »
  I've been a hunter and fisherman for over fifty years now.  I truely believe that "EVERYONE" has the right to their opinion, especially on a website designed to iniate conversation.  Even though I believe that it is your right, I have to say that in this case you are wrong!  Encouraging litters to put their trash down the hole is not a good thing.  Obviously, it wouldn't be around for others to see, but it will still be poluting the water.  And, if I can't see what you are leaving behind, I can't do my part to help keep the water clean!  I do agree that the ice would look better, but doing what you said is actually worse then leaving the trash on the ice.  There is no chance of someone disposing of it properly if a plastic worm container is laying at the bottom of a lake.  Just saying.

I agree....shoving it down the hole is like sweeping it under the rug....if your that lazy stay home and shove it under your own lazy boy chair and complain all about how the internet has killed the sport.
Its called PUBLIC land.... don't get mad if someone else is fishing there.

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #5 on: Jan 10, 2022, 09:39 AM »
  I've been a hunter and fisherman for over fifty years now.  I truely believe that "EVERYONE" has the right to their opinion, especially on a website designed to iniate conversation.  Even though I believe that it is your right, I have to say that in this case you are wrong!  Encouraging litters to put their trash down the hole is not a good thing.  Obviously, it wouldn't be around for others to see, but it will still be poluting the water.  And, if I can't see what you are leaving behind, I can't do my part to help keep the water clean!  I do agree that the ice would look better, but doing what you said is actually worse then leaving the trash on the ice.  There is no chance of someone disposing of it properly if a plastic worm container is laying at the bottom of a lake.  Just saying.

I believe PerchPounder was just referring to putting perch skins or any other leftovers from cleaning fish down the hole versus leaving it on the ice but could be wrong.

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #6 on: Jan 10, 2022, 11:26 AM »
If that were the case, I'd agree with him.  Hopefully, you're right by giving him the benefit of doubt.  Although, that may be illegal.  I know it is in Michigan.  Although, I never could understand why you can't throw fish parts back into the water.  It helps feed other organisms and fish that die in the lake don't appear to hurt anything!  I guess if it were legal, everyone would do it and then there would be more fish parts in the water than there would be by fish dying.  I'm no biologist just my 2 cents!

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #7 on: Jan 10, 2022, 11:34 AM »
I believe PerchPounder was just referring to putting perch skins or any other leftovers from cleaning fish down the hole versus leaving it on the ice but could be wrong.

Check your state laws too...doing that here with any fish parts will get you a ticket.
Best thing is having 3-4 of those annoying plastic bags from stores with you when you go fishing. Try to return with at least a few filled with trash, becuz you know that some just won't do it. ::)
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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #8 on: Jan 10, 2022, 03:26 PM »
  I've been a hunter and fisherman for over fifty years now.  I truely believe that "EVERYONE" has the right to their opinion, especially on a website designed to iniate conversation.  Even though I believe that it is your right, I have to say that in this case you are wrong!  Encouraging litters to put their trash down the hole is not a good thing.  Obviously, it wouldn't be around for others to see, but it will still be poluting the water.  And, if I can't see what you are leaving behind, I can't do my part to help keep the water clean!  I do agree that the ice would look better, but doing what you said is actually worse then leaving the trash on the ice.  There is no chance of someone disposing of it properly if a plastic worm container is laying at the bottom of a lake.  Just saying.
Maybe read before you post
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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #9 on: Jan 10, 2022, 03:30 PM »
Check your state laws too...doing that here with any fish parts will get you a ticket.
Best thing is having 3-4 of those annoying plastic bags from stores with you when you go fishing. Try to return with at least a few filled with trash, becuz you know that some just won't do it. ::)
not here...leaving them on the ice might tho
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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #10 on: Jan 10, 2022, 03:33 PM »
 Perch pounder is within the law canít clean fish within a 100 feet from shore so he could leave them on the ice if he chose to,
 
 

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #11 on: Jan 10, 2022, 03:42 PM »
You can't clean a fish within 100' of shore?? Seriously?  Why is that?  ???
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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #12 on: Jan 10, 2022, 04:10 PM »
Maybe read before you post
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  I believe your words were "if your gonna leave it out there, put it down a hole before your go"!  "Same goes for the perch skins"  meaning same as everything else!  If I am mistaken I appologize, but it sure looks like that is what you said to me.

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #13 on: Jan 10, 2022, 05:37 PM »
You can't clean a fish within 100' of shore?? Seriously?  Why is that?  ???
Heíll I donít really know itís just another NY law , guts in the water get eaten by all kinds of creatures 
 

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #14 on: Jan 10, 2022, 05:45 PM »
Well, they can't be a lot worse than the gazillion ones we now have here. Can't even take minnows back home after fishing unless you pour the water out on THE GROUND, and refill container with water brought from home.
That means carrying a jug of spring water, becuz minners don't like chlorine. And worms MUST go in the trash, NOT into the ground, becuz they destroy the soil and kill young vegetation roots...I kid you NOT!  I'd like to know who thought up this stoopid sh**..... >:(
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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #15 on: Jan 10, 2022, 05:53 PM »
Thatís exactly it, clueless. I was talking to a guy while we were fishing and he just winged his cigar butt on the ice, like it didnít even dawn on him what he was doing, he didnít seem like a bad person, but it really made me think the same thing how can people be so mindless. Not to sound like a mush but it just seems that these people donít have a spiritual connection to the outdoors, itís gear electronics and abusing nature, and not ever feeling gratitude for a kingdom that has been laid under your feet and over your head.
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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #16 on: Jan 11, 2022, 07:27 AM »
No need to rant about it. Itís not going to change. Ever. Never going to change. Only going to get exponentially worse. Hoards if people are moving here to hunt and fish because all you guys canít keep your mouths shut on your multiple social media accounts on how awesome Montana is. Might as well get over it now or just be pissed off the rest of your life. Not everybody that moves here is a saint like they are made out to be on this site. Wait till the population of Montana grows by another 10 percent in 2022.

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #17 on: Jan 11, 2022, 08:29 AM »
No need to rant about it. Itís not going to change. Ever. Never going to change.
Finally, validation for sitting on my ass and doing nothing. Iíll file that under ďRejected Inspirational Workplace Posters.Ē

And speaking of misplaced sainthood, trash on the ice and at FASs, abuse of resources, vandalism, etc. was a problem here long before the latest influx of new residents.
YOU are the only one who can decide if the ice is safe enough for you.

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #18 on: Jan 11, 2022, 11:50 AM »
Well, they can't be a lot worse than the gazillion ones we now have here. Can't even take minnows back home after fishing unless you pour the water out on THE GROUND, and refill container with water brought from home.
That means carrying a jug of spring water, becuz minners don't like chlorine. And worms MUST go in the trash, NOT into the ground, becuz they destroy the soil and kill young vegetation roots...I kid you NOT!  I'd like to know who thought up this stoopid sh**..... >:(
usually politicians come up with this stuff but sometimes they use a little science, I honestly haven't studied just find things like this fascinating
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/invasive-earthworms-denude-forests/

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #19 on: Jan 11, 2022, 03:53 PM »
Your welcome for the validation. If you think your going to inspire change donít hold your breath. All that was a problem before the population influx. Now itís bigger problem. The 2022 population influx will make it even a bigger problem and so on and so forth until they turn Montana into the crap hole they came from. These people came here to post a picture of a bull elk on Instagram. They donít give a crap about Montana or the land.

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« Reply #20 on: Jan 11, 2022, 04:34 PM »
I got a news flash for everyone on this site.  I worked in the prisons of Michigan for 25 years.  Over that time I found that the young guys entering the system were less and less social.  They made it a point to tell you that they didn't give a chit about their Mother, Father, siblings or anyone but themselves.  By the time I retired 75 0/0 of the population was under 40!  Of which most were self centered, narcissistic and anti-social!  So, given the facts which I have indicated, it doesn't surprise me that Montana and every other state in the country is not immuned to goofs.  I told my wife a few years back, "If I were in my 20's again, I'd be living off the grid in either Alaska or Michigan's Upper Pennisula.  In other words, I'd be living in God's country.  And, yes, I realize Montana and a few western states have God's country, as well.  The problem with that is that even God's country is getting its share of idiots who don't care about anything but themselves!  In just a blink of an eye, in terms of how long mankind has existed, and you will go to sleep and wake up eating breakfast next to Mad Max!  Hopefully, My wife, kids and I won't be around to witness it!  As Always, Take Care and Stay Safe.

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« Reply #21 on: Jan 11, 2022, 05:01 PM »
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All that was a problem before the population influx. Now itís bigger problem. The 2022 population influx will make it even a bigger problem

I agree, and it's likely a problem everywhere.  You don't have to grand-stand to make or inspire change.  As earlier posts mentioned, bring an extra trash bag or two and make up for 2-3 idiots along the way.  Someone might actually see you doing something right and take the time to contemplate it or, better yet, point it out to their kids.  Lead by doing. IMO, you're (hypothetically speaking) just as culpable for the trash on the ice if you see it and choose to ignore it.

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« Reply #22 on: Jan 11, 2022, 05:40 PM »
Someone might actually see you doing something right and take the time to contemplate it or, better yet, point it out to their kids.  Lead by doing. IMO, you're (hypothetically speaking) just as culpable for the trash on the ice if you see it and choose to ignore it.
Exactly. As the saying goesÖif youíre not part of the solution, youíre part of the problem.
YOU are the only one who can decide if the ice is safe enough for you.

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #23 on: Jan 11, 2022, 05:47 PM »
Reminds me of a line from Huckleberry Finn, where Huck was talking to Jim: "they say bees won't sting idiots, but I know that ain't true, 'cuz I been stung a hundred times"...  :blink:
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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #24 on: Jan 11, 2022, 05:53 PM »
Some things the slobs leave on the ice will go off with me and some won't.
It seems to go from zero to hero all some have to do is lie.

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #25 on: Jan 12, 2022, 12:48 PM »
The 2022 population influx will make it even a bigger problem and so on and so forth until they turn Montana into the crap hole they came from. These people came here to post a picture of a bull elk on Instagram. They donít give a crap about Montana or the land.

I couldn't agree with you more, population of Montana is expected to DOUBLE in 10-15 years and TRIPLE in 25.  You think it's bad now, this is as good as it will ever be, unfortunately Montanas best days are in the rearview mirror.  Every one of you guys that post everything on social media, encourage every person you know to move here, it's all unraveling what you love about Montana and you all will have nobody to blame but yourselves.  Fact is, all you can do is pick up after yourself, when you see garbage, pick it up, when you see someone litter or chuck a cigar,  SAY something!  Educate these people or Montana will just be a craphole sooner than later.

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #26 on: Jan 12, 2022, 04:06 PM »
I agree, and it's likely a problem everywhere.  You don't have to grand-stand to make or inspire change.  As earlier posts mentioned, bring an extra trash bag or two and make up for 2-3 idiots along the way.  Someone might actually see you doing something right and take the time to contemplate it or, better yet, point it out to their kids.  Lead by doing. IMO, you're (hypothetically speaking) just as culpable for the trash on the ice if you see it and choose to ignore it.

Agree whole heartedly.

I've been picking up shotgun hulls, beer cans in the ditch, and a multitude of other trash up after slobs when hunting for the last 40 years.  We do the same on the ice.  Unfortunately, its as much or more native Montanans as the transplants.

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #27 on: Jan 12, 2022, 04:30 PM »
Unfortunately, I'm a smoker.  ::) But I carry a small container with a lid on it in me pocket to put me butts in. Seeing those things on the ice is disgusting.  :sick:
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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #28 on: Jan 12, 2022, 04:49 PM »
Itís simple leave it better than you found it. This applies to so much in life campsites, hunting, fishing spot, workspace or your own property. It seems this simple moral has been lost, take a kid fishing and teach them the right way maybe we can change things.

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Re: Some people are clueless!
« Reply #29 on: Jan 12, 2022, 06:54 PM »
Agree whole heartedly.

I've been picking up shotgun hulls, beer cans in the ditch, and a multitude of other trash up after slobs when hunting for the last 40 years.  We do the same on the ice.  Unfortunately, its as much or more native Montanans as the transplants.

It's everywhere, I've picked up lots of garbage around here, sadly it's mostly from the locals, picked up quite a few shotgun hulls on the bird management units we hunted this fall.

 



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