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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #60 on: Jan 07, 2009, 04:47 PM »
I put oil in gas until it gets to aquamarine color. Sometimes lagoon blue. Mixture?
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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #61 on: Jan 08, 2009, 05:29 PM »
manual says 24:1

Face plate on the powerhead says 24:1

Mix in the jiffy tune up kit has a oil-stabalizer.  It is 94.6 ML and says to mix it with 4L of fuel, that is like 43 ish:1 ratio.

so that is a little confusing to me.

I am wondering if there is a websire out there that states what mixes of OIL-to-STABILIZER-to-GAS ratio?

Must make a difference, OR on of either....: the owner's manual of my Jiffy 30, the oil in the tune up kit or the actual plate on the jiffy powerhead ARE WRONG...and JIFFY can't tell me which....HA HA HA

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #62 on: Jan 08, 2009, 06:03 PM »
manual says 24:1

Face plate on the powerhead says 24:1

Mix in the jiffy tune up kit has a oil-stabalizer.  It is 94.6 ML and says to mix it with 4L of fuel, that is like 43 ish:1 ratio.

so that is a little confusing to me.

I am wondering if there is a websire out there that states what mixes of OIL-to-STABILIZER-to-GAS ratio?

Must make a difference, OR on of either....: the owner's manual of my Jiffy 30, the oil in the tune up kit or the actual plate on the jiffy powerhead ARE WRONG...and JIFFY can't tell me which....HA HA HA

Good luckl!!
24:1 is for CONVENTIONAL OIL
OK I mix mine with aprox 2 oz of Amsoil sabre synthetic oil, then I add 1/2 ounce of STA-BIL fuel stabilizer, and then one gallon of gas at the pump.. so it gives me a mix of appox 65:1... I also use 91 octane fuel.. mostly because I am filling the atv up at the same time.  Now I had to tune my jets on the carba little but I was starting to get the need to do it before I made the switch to synthetic oil 3 years ago..

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #63 on: Jan 09, 2009, 08:51 AM »
That is some groovy info.

I guess a guy just has to mix...fuel ...stabilizer....then decide on synthetic or conventional oil...choose a ratio;

and start tunning.

This will be the third year in a row, that I have tuned up the auger and experimented to try to get it to run "WELL"....I would say NOW......it is shy of running "GOOD"..

Good luck....And GOOD TUNING!!


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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #64 on: Jan 09, 2009, 09:14 AM »
Gee Im glad I got an Icegator   no worrys about mixing anything!
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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #65 on: Jan 09, 2009, 11:09 AM »
That is some groovy info.

I guess a guy just has to mix...fuel ...stabilizer....then decide on synthetic or conventional oil...choose a ratio;

and start tunning.

This will be the third year in a row, that I have tuned up the auger and experimented to try to get it to run "WELL"....I would say NOW......it is shy of running "GOOD"..

Good luck....And GOOD TUNING!!

where are you located???  if you are having issues then you probably nee to clean the carb and then dial up and tune the carb..

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #66 on: Jan 09, 2009, 01:25 PM »
I am in Edmonton AB, Canada.

I just cleaned the carb last night, changed spark plug; and mixed to 40:1 .......not the 24:1 conventional I have been using.

Now just to get 'er going and try to tune it.  This is what I always have problems with...the instructions / direction is clear, just never seems to tune it right.

took it to a shop end of last season, TOTAL tune up...so I am not bringing it back.  It started alot better after the tune up...but never cut as well as when I was having a hard time strarting it.....go figure.

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #67 on: Jan 14, 2009, 08:18 PM »
Jiffy's own oil on their website now recommends a 40:1 ratio....

Per their Accessories section - 2 cycle oil:NEW Premium 40:1 Two-Cycle Smokeless Synthetic Blend Engine Oil with Fuel Stabilizer for use with all brands of 2-Cycle Ice Drills. New reformulated 40:1 gas mixture reduces emissions. JIFFY™ has taken the next step for a cleaner environment!
Part No. 4024 $1.39


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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #68 on: Jan 14, 2009, 11:25 PM »
MY JIFFY NOW RUNS LIKE A GOD!!

thanks for all the posts , links and info.

Oh, i forgot to mention....a nice little shop called the "LAWNMOWER HOSPITAL" here in the city is the shop that did the work.

I did not notice , but when i brought it in for service....and to get the pull start cord replaced...they put it back on ...so that every time I pull the cord...it rubs the power switch...turning it off, and sometimes..i think knocking the power switch loose.  BACKWARDS in other words!!

nice WORK GUYS!!

lol

I'll do some homework next time...try to fix it myself....before I give it to guys that do not care how they treat MY AUGER...and rush jobs to do a shady thing like that. and charge me a ridiculous amount to tune my auger...NOT UNDER LOAD!

good luck all...and thanks again!!
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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #69 on: Jan 27, 2009, 01:54 PM »
I have Amsoil Interceptor for my snowmobile I was thinking using in my Normark auger. Any of you using it instead of the Saber?

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #70 on: Jan 27, 2009, 02:17 PM »
If you are using Amsoil and you are using 1 gal of gas apply the following math formula!
 
128 ounces of gas in a gal Divided by a 50 for a 50 /1mixture
                                                         
                                                       
   50/1  .......       128 ounces   divided by 50 =   2.56 ounces of Amsoil per gal of gas
   80/1  .......       128 ounces   divided by 80 =   1.60  ounces of Amsoil per gal of gas
   100/1 ......       128 ounces   divided by 100 = 1.28  ounces of Amsoil per gal of gas

  I run my auger on a 80/1 mixture and it doesn't skip a beat.

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #71 on: Jan 27, 2009, 06:06 PM »
I have Amsoil Interceptor for my snowmobile I was thinking using in my Normark auger. Any of you using it instead of the Saber?
no... they make both for a reason..

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #72 on: Feb 05, 2009, 11:29 AM »
I have Amsoil Interceptor for my snowmobile I was thinking using in my Normark auger. Any of you using it instead of the Saber?
Use it. I used interceptor before I switched over to klotz. I use klotz in all of my air cooled engines. I am a firewood dealer in the summer. No issues.

Going to use eskimo viper oil for the new auger for a few tanks, then not sure what I am going to use. Amsoil has left a sour taste in my mouth after my sled issues.
 

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #73 on: Feb 05, 2009, 11:41 AM »
Running  80/1   1.60  ounces of Amsoil per gal of gas for the last three years and working great.
I think I will try there outboard motor oil this year.

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #74 on: Feb 09, 2009, 10:27 AM »
Could not find eskimo viper oil so I am using a 45:1 ratio of klotz oil and 87 octane gas with 1/4 oz of marine/ethanol stabalizer
 

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #75 on: Feb 13, 2009, 11:14 AM »
Had some problems with my Ol' Jiffy 30 the last time the Mrs. and I fished together. Drilled about a dozen holes no problem and then it began to spit and sputter and wouldn't stay running. :%$#!: Finished out the day with my 6" Mora hand auger. A day or so later I took the plug out and it appeared oil-fouled so I cleaned it good with alcohol and put it back in. Same thing...run for a short period then spit/sputter and die. I dumped the gas out of the tank and looked down inside and there appeared to be droplets of moisture clinging to the bottom of the tank. I had rebuilt the carb about 4yrs. ago and had been running a 50:1 mix ever since, same as my chainsaw and weedwhackers with no problem other than a little smoke and greasy residue around the muffler. Well, I picked up a couple of 1.5 oz. "pillow packets" of Amsoil Sabre and a couple of new sparkplugs (autolite #255). I stuffed a clean dry old T-shirt down into the tank to suck up any remaining moisture and when I was satisfied the tank was clean and dry, I started and ran the auger with the old plug until I ran all of the old gas out of the carb. I mixed the Amsoil packet with 9/10 gal. of 89 octane gas and put in one of the new Autolite plugs. It spit for a few seconds after starting and then smoothed out and ran like never before! I took it to a neighbors little pond and drilled about 10 holes one after another and it ran great and didn't bog down when breaking through like before. It also idled better than it ever has. I hope this took care of the problem....I will be trying it out again this weekend. Thanks to all for your info... :bow:...WK
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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #76 on: Oct 23, 2009, 09:29 AM »
I just bought some Amsoil for boating. (it says it works for injected and as a pre-mix)
Couldn't find it in small size, so had to buy a whole gallon.  Looks like I won't need to get any for a while.

Do you guys mix anything else with the Gas ?

I bought some Stabil that is supposed to treat ethanol gas, I was going to mix this in as well.

Does this sound like a good idea?


Thanks for the help,


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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #77 on: Oct 23, 2009, 03:33 PM »
yes...  treat your mix with the Sta-Bil.. what ever the bottle says for the ratio..

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #78 on: Nov 14, 2009, 08:02 PM »
Ok, because I'm a total idiot, I need to ask to clarify.

I have the Jiffy Tecumseh 3hp motor (24:1 recommended), and an echo kioritz weed trimmer (50:1 recommended)

If I'm following this thread right, I could potentially use the Amsoil Saber mixed at 50:1 ratio (or even leaner) and use that fuel for both engines?  Because the lubricity would be more than adequate even though the oil mix ratio is different?

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #79 on: Nov 14, 2009, 08:23 PM »
Ok, because I'm a total idiot, I need to ask to clarify.

I have the Jiffy Tecumseh 3hp motor (24:1 recommended), and an echo kioritz weed trimmer (50:1 recommended)

If I'm following this thread right, I could potentially use the Amsoil Saber mixed at 50:1 ratio (or even leaner) and use that fuel for both engines?  Because the lubricity would be more than adequate even though the oil mix ratio is different?
Try 100:1

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #80 on: Nov 14, 2009, 08:42 PM »
TIBS
YUP YOU ARE CORRECT... try 70:1 that seemed to work the best 4 meand all my 2strokes

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #81 on: Nov 23, 2009, 05:30 AM »
Isnt it cheaper to have some smoke and foul a few plugs than blow a piston?
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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #82 on: Nov 23, 2009, 09:54 PM »
Isnt it cheaper to have some smoke and foul a few plugs than blow a piston?
Hazy the stuff amsoil makes is rated to use at 100:1,  I use it at bout 70:1, look at the specsheets on their website,then compare it to the specs of regular 2 stroke oil.  it is really great to have one container for trimmer, chain saw, auger.  http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atp.aspx

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #83 on: Nov 23, 2009, 10:31 PM »
Just fired up the snowblower today for the 1st time using Sabre 100:1. WOW what a difference. Now ALL my 2 cycle toys are fueled from 1 gas/oil container.

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #84 on: Nov 25, 2009, 12:48 PM »
amsoil might be decent product but after the  dry crank issues with amsoil interceptor, I will never use there product again. I use klotz mixed 40:1 and leter smoke, which it only does for a few seconds. Only amsoil product I would use "if I had to" would be dominator.
 

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #85 on: Dec 05, 2009, 10:41 PM »
I spoke to the Amsoil rep at the St. Paul ice show on Friday.
He said that any of the 2 stroke oils made by Amsoil are ok at 50:1

He said that Saber is made specifically for Augers and can be run at 100:1

I use the outboard injector oil by Amsoil, (which can be used as a premix) at 50:1

The rep said it is fine, as long as it is an oil for 2 strokes, and not an oil that you would use in a 4 stroke engine.
He said that the 4 stroke oil is not made to be mixed with gas, but the 2 stroke oil is.

Hope this helps,

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #86 on: Dec 09, 2009, 05:59 PM »
Where the heck do you guys get this Opti-2 oil? I looked at our local parts stores and Wally world, no luck.

Or is it Optimax oil? I've got lots of that.

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #87 on: Dec 10, 2009, 08:45 AM »
I get ours at our local farm store and a chainsaw store.
 

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #88 on: Jan 06, 2010, 04:21 PM »
I use Citgo Sea and Snow in my snowmobile, chainsaw and leafblower.  No blown engines, low smoke, low smell and its in expensive ($15 a gallon), which is a lot less expensive than most of the fruity-smelling synthetic oils.

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Re: Proper gas for small engines!
« Reply #89 on: Jan 07, 2010, 10:14 AM »
I had the same question. The used auger I just bought says 24:1 but the Strikemaster site says 40:1. So I finally decided to google Tecumseh and low and behold this is what I found,

Page 4 Two-Cycle Engine • Horizontal/Vertical Crankshaft • Air-Cooled 181-1277-14
III. Oil and Fuel Specifications
A. Oil
To operate your engine you need to use a clean, high
quality, 2-Cycle oil mixed with fuel. For recommended
mixture ratio of fuel and oil, see Table 1 for ice augers and
Table 2 for all other applications.
NOTES
Tecumseh synthetic and special-formulated oils are
available at your Authorized Tecumseh Servicing Dealer.
Use of NMMA, TC-WII or TC-W3, JASO FB or JASO FC
classified oil is recommended.
Contact your Authorized Tecumseh Servicing Dealer for
Tecumseh Oil.
B. Fuel
Use unleaded regular, unleaded premium or reformulated
automotive fuel only. You may use gasoline containing the
following components identified in Table 3.
• DO NOT use leaded fuel.
• Fuel must be fresh and clean. NEVER use fuel left
over from last season or stored for long periods.
• DO NOT use fuel containing Methanol (Wood
Alcohol).
The use of alternative fuels such as E85
or E20 are not recommended for use in
Tecumseh engines. Alternative fuels with high alcohol
content can cause hard starting, poor engine performance,
and may cause internal engine damage.
NOTE
Damage and/or performance problems that will occur from
use of fuels, other than those listed in the Operator’s
Manuals will not be considered warranty.
IV. Before Starting Your Engine
A. Mixing Fuel and Oil
NEVER store engine with fuel in fuel
tank inside a building with potential
sources of ignition such as hot water and space heaters,
clothes dryers, electric motors, etc.
NOTES
DO NOT mix fuel and oil directly in fuel tank.
Tecumseh synthetic and special-formulated oils are
available at your Authorized Tecumseh Servicing Dealer.
Use of NMMA, TC-WII or TC-W3, JASO FB or JASO FC
classified oil is recommended.
Contact your Authorized Tecumseh Servicing Dealer for
Tecumseh Oil.
1. Be sure container is outdoors and in a well-ventilated
area.
2. Fill approved clean red GASOLINE container with 1/4
of recommended fuel amount. See Tables 1, 2 and 3.
3. Add required amount of recommended oil to fuel. See
Table 1 for ice augers, Table 2 for all other applications.
4. Screw cap onto container.
5. Shake container vigorously.
6. Unscrew cap from container.
7. Fill container with remainder of recommended fuel. See
Tables 1, 2 and 3.
8. Wipe away any spilled fuel or oil.
CAUTION
WARNING
Table 1. Fuel Mix Chart Mixture Ratio 40:1 (ice augers)
U.S. S.I. Metric
Gas Oil Petrol Oil
1 Gal. 3.2 oz. 4 Liters 100 ml
2 Gal. 6.4 oz. 8 Liters 200 ml
5 Gal. 16 oz. 20 Liters 500 ml

Table 2. Fuel Mix Chart Mixture Ratio 24:1
U.S. S.I. Metric
Gas Oil Petrol Oil
1 Gal. 5 oz. 4 Liters 167 ml
2 Gal. 11 oz. 8 Liters 333 ml
5 Gal. 27 oz. 20 Liters 833 ml
Table 3. Recommended Fuel
Fuel Component Percentage
Ethanol 10%
Grain Alcohol (“Gasohol”) 10%
MTBE (Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether) 15%
ETBE (Ethyl Tertiary Butyl Ether) 15%
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