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Flasher suggestions
« on: Oct 24, 2006, 09:18 AM »
This topic comes up every year(multiple times), so I thought I would put up a detailed list of features that each unit has. This should help those looking to upgrade, or those purchasing a flasher for the first time. I left out the LCD units(Nature Vision and Lowrance), someone else can write them up.

We'll start out at the top and compare dual beam transducer flashers with zoom:

Marcum LX-5                           

Cost: $ 449.99          (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 8 or 20
Power level: 2500 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 12 levels (steps)
Zoom: Adjustable anywhere in water column. 5' or 10' zoom in 20' or 40' range, 10' or 20' zoom in 80' range, 20' or 40' zoom in 160' range
Target separation: 2.15" in regular mode, 3/4"  with SuperFine line turned on(this is achieved without having to turn on zoom), Zoom target separation is 3/4".
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/7 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: Between 350 to 400 milliamps per hour. (A Fully charged 7 amp battery should last 16 to 20 hours of continuous use).
Battery charger: 1 amp Digital charging system(DCS) with LCD readout showing battery charge percentage in 10% increments. Automatic 3 stage charger(bulk rate, absorption, and trickle charge)
Display colors: 3 color with 3 separate (true color) LED's.  Red = strong signal, Green = medium strength signal, Yellow = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 160 feet, 4 settings: 20', 40', 80', 160'
Cases: Comes standard with a weather resistant, embroidered, padded, soft pack carry case on a plastic shuttle with gimble bracket and adjustable transducer arm.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
Has a built in simulator that shows a simulated bottom, fish, and moving lure.
SuperFine Line (SFL) allows you to improve your target separation while viewing the entire water column.
This new patent pending TruColor display eliminates the blending of two colors to make a third and results in an ultra crisp display that greatly enhances target identification. Small compact profile.




Vexilar FL-18

Cost: $469 (propack II) or $489 (Ultrapack) (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 9 or 19
Power level: 400 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: Bottom 6'
Target separation: 2.65"   
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/9 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: 275 MA milliamps per hour.(A fully charged 9 amp battery should last about 32 hours)
Battery charger: 1 amp analog charging system
Display colors: 3 color thru 2 LED's.  Red = strong signal, Orange = medium strength signal, Green = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 5 settings: 20', 40', 60', 80', 200'
Cases: Propack II weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. or  Ultrapack weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, enclosed battery compartment, main power switch, battery hookups, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Both cases will fit inside a 5 gallon bucket.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
Custom deep water version that can read down to 300'. Low power mode(reduces the power by 50%). Bottom lock mode(locks the bottom so it will not move with changes in depth or boat motion).




Vexilar FL-20

Cost: $529 (propack II) or $549 (Ultrapack) (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 9 or 19
Power level: 400 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: Bottom 6' or 12'
Target separation: 2.65"   
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/9 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: 275 MA milliamps per hour.(A fully charged 9 amp battery should last about 32 hours)
Battery charger: 1 amp analog charging system
Display colors: 3 color thru 2 LED's.  Red = strong signal, Orange = medium strength signal, Green = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 5 settings: 20', 40', 60', 80', 200'
Cases: Propack II weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. or  Ultrapack weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, enclosed battery compartment, main power switch, battery hookups, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Both cases will fit inside a 5 gallon bucket.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
12% Larger flat-screen display with twice the viewing angle. Night mode (adjustable intensity of lights for night viewing). 20' low power mode(reduces the power by 50%). Low battery warning.




Humminbird ICE-55

Cost: $ 499.99
Cone angles: 9 and 19
Power level: 2400 watts peak to peak, 300 watts RMS
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: Allows 2X magnification anywhere in water column.
Target separation: 2.5"
Transmit frequency: 240 KHz for 19, 455 KHz for 9
Battery: 12 volt/9 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: unknown at this time
Battery charger: included
Display colors(strong, med., weak): Set 1 - Red, Orange, Green   Set 2 - Red, Green, Yellow  Set 3 - Red, Orange, Yellow, Lt Green, Green, Blue
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 4 manual settings: 20', 40', 80', 200'   7 Auto settings: 20', 40', 60', 80', 100', 120', 200'
Cases:
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Large, 526 segment bright 6-color fiber-optic display delivers excellent sunlight readability. Can choose 3 different color palletes for display. Adjustable Target Line. Digital % Battery status indicator on LCD, 6 backlit keypad control buttons: Zoom, Gain, Noise, Beam, Target cursor color(This is a unique purple target line which icefishermen can set at a specific depth so they know exactly how deep to lower their bait or lure).  Patent-pending backlit LCD display. Soft sided carrying bag.  Winner of best new product award for electronics at the 2008 ICAST show.




Humminbird ICE-45

Cost: $ 399.99
Cone angles: 9 and 19
Power level: 1800 watts peak to peak, 225 watts RMS
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: Allows 2X magnification anywhere in water column.
Target separation: 2.5"
Transmit frequency: 240 KHz for 19, 455 KHz for 9
Battery: 12 volt/7 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: unknown at this time
Battery charger: included
Display colors(strong, med., weak): Red, Orange, Green
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 4 manual settings: 20', 40', 80', 200'   7 Auto settings: 20', 40', 60', 80', 100', 120', 200'
Cases:
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous:  Digital % Battery status indicator on LCD. 4 backlit keypad control buttons: Zoom, Gain, Noise, Beam. 3-color 526 segment fiber-optic flasher display delivers excellent sunlight readability.




Humminbird ICE-35

Cost: $ 299.99
Cone angles: 9 and 19
Power level: 800 watts peak to peak, 100 watts RMS
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: Allows 2X magnification anywhere in water column.
Target separation: 2.5"
Transmit frequency: 240 KHz for 19, 455 KHz for 9
Battery: 12 volt/7 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: unknown at this time
Battery charger: included
Display colors(strong, med., weak): Red, Orange, Green
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 4 settings: 20', 40', 80', 200'   
Cases:
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: 26 step battery status indicator.  4 backlit keypad control buttons: Zoom, Gain, Noise, Beam. 3-color 526 segment fiber-optic flasher display delivers excellent sunlight readability.


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Next, we'll compare single beam transducer flashers with zoom:

Marcum LX-3tc                           

Cost: $ 349.99  (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 20
Power level: 2000 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 12 levels (steps)
Zoom: Adjustable anywhere in water column. 5' or 10' zoom in 20' or 40' range, 10' or 20' zoom in 80' range, 20' or 40' zoom in 160' range
Target separation: 2.15" in regular mode, Zoom target separation is 1".
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/7 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: Between 300 to 350 milliamps per hour. (A Fully charged 7 amp battery should last 18 to 22 hours of continuous use).
Battery charger: 1 amp Digital charging system(DCS) with LCD readout showing battery charge percentage in 10% increments. Automatic 3 stage charger(bulk rate, absorption, and trickle charge)
Display colors: 3 color with 3 separate (true color) LED's.  Red = strong signal, Green = medium strength signal, Yellow = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 160 feet, 4 settings: 20', 40', 80', 160'
Cases: Comes standard with a weather resistant, embroidered, padded, soft pack carry case on a plastic shuttle with gimble bracket and adjustable transducer arm.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
Has a built in simulator that shows a simulated bottom, fish, and moving lure.
This new patent pending TruColor display eliminates the blending of two colors to make a third and results in an ultra crisp display that greatly enhances target identification. Small compact profile.




Marcum VX-1P  (updated 10-13-09)                       

Cost: $ 299.99
Cone angles: 20
Power level: 1000 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 12 levels (steps)
Zoom: Bottom 5' on 20' or 40' scale, 10' on 80' scale, and 20' on 160' scale.
Target separation: 2.15"
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/7 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: Between 300 to 350 milliamps per hour. (A Fully charged 7 amp battery should last 18 to 22 hours of continuous use).
Battery charger: 1 amp charging system
Display colors: 3 color thru 2 LED's.  Red = strong signal, Green = medium strength signal, Yellow = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 160 feet, 4 settings: 20', 40', 80', 160'
Cases: Comes standard with a plastic shuttle with gimble bracket and adjustable transducer arm. Soft pack.
Warranty: 1 year
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer. Small compact profile.




Vexilar FL-18                           

Cost: $389 Genz pack, $449 Propack II, $469 Ultrapack (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 12 standard (9 and 19 optional)
Power level: 400 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: Bottom 6'
Target separation: 2.65"   
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/9 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: 275 MA milliamps per hour.(A fully charged 9 amp battery should last about 32 hours)
Battery charger: 1 amp analog charging system
Display colors: 3 color thru 2 LED's.  Red = strong signal, Orange = medium strength signal, Green = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 5 settings: 20', 40', 60', 80', 200'
Cases: Genz pack "blue box" weatherproof  plastic case with gimble mount and transducer well. Propack II weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box.  Ultrapack weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, enclosed battery compartment, main power switch, battery hookups, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Genz pack fits on top of a 5 gallon bucket. PropackII and Ultrapack fits inside a 5 gallon bucket.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
Custom deep water version that can read down to 300'. Low power mode(reduces the power by 50%). Bottom lock mode(locks the bottom so it will not move with changes in depth or boat motion).




Vexilar FL-20

Cost: $489 (propack II) or $529 (Ultrapack) (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 12 standard (9 or 19 optional)
Power level: 400 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: Bottom 6' or 12'
Target separation: 2.65"   
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12 volt/9 amp sealed lead acid
Battery current draw: 275 MA milliamps per hour.(A fully charged 9 amp battery should last about 32 hours)
Battery charger: 1 amp analog charging system
Display colors: 3 color thru 2 LED's.  Red = strong signal, Orange = medium strength signal, Green = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 5 settings: 20', 40', 60', 80', 200'
Cases: Propack II weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. or  Ultrapack weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, enclosed battery compartment, main power switch, battery hookups, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Both cases will fit inside a 5 gallon bucket.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
12% Larger flat-screen display with twice the viewing angle. Night mode (adjustable intensity of lights for night viewing. 20' low power mode(reduces the power by 50%).  Low battery warning.


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And finally, we'll compare flashers that don't have zoom:

Vexilar FL-8se                           

Cost: $289 Genz pack, $349 Propack II (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 19 standard (9 and 12 optional)
Power level: 400 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: None
Target separation: 2.65"   
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery: 12volt/7 amp sealed lead acid (Genz pack), 12 volt/9 amp sealed lead acid (Propack II & Ultrapack)
Battery current draw: 275 MA milliamps per hour.(A fully charged 9 amp battery should last about 32 hours)
Battery charger: 500 milliamp charging system (Genz pack & Propack II), 800 milliamp charging system(Ultrapack)
Display colors: 3 color thru 2 LED's.  Red = strong signal, Orange = medium strength signal, Green = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 120 feet, 6 settings: 20', 30', 40', 60', 80', 120'
Cases: Genz pack "blue box" weatherproof  plastic case with gimble mount and transducer well. Propack II weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box.  Ultrapack weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, enclosed battery compartment, main power switch, battery hookups, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Genz pack fits on top of a 5 gallon bucket. PropackII and Ultrapack fits inside a 5 gallon bucket.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
Custom deep water version that can read down to 240'.




Vexilar FL-12                           

Cost:  $379.95 Propack II, $399.95 dual 9/19 Propack II, $399.95 Ultrapack, $419.95 dual 9/19 Ultrapack (updated 10-13-09)
Cone angles: 19 standard (9 and 12 optional)
Power level: 400 watts peak to peak
Interference rejection: 10 levels (steps)
Zoom: None
Target separation: 2.65"   
Transmit frequency: 200 KHz
Battery:  12 volt/9 amp sealed lead acid 
Battery current draw: 275 MA milliamps per hour.(A fully charged 9 amp battery should last about 32 hours)
Battery charger: 1 amp charging system
Display colors: 3 color thru 2 LED's.  Red = strong signal, Orange = medium strength signal, Green = weak signal.
Depth ranges: 0 - 200 feet, 5 settings: 20', 40', 60', 80', 200'
Cases: Propack II weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box.  Ultrapack weatherproof plastic case with gimble mount, enclosed battery compartment, main power switch, battery hookups, rod holder, LED battery status indicator, and tackle box. Both cases will fit inside a 5 gallon bucket.
Warranty: 2 years
Miscellaneous: Can be set up for use on open water with optional high speed transducer or puck transducer.
12% Larger flat-screen display with twice the viewing angle. 20' low power mode(reduces the power by 50%).
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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #1 on: Oct 27, 2006, 07:45 AM »
Awesome that makes it much easier for the guys that cant decide :)
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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #2 on: Oct 27, 2006, 01:38 PM »
Great job Bean...all the info you need in one place...well done  :thumbsup:

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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #3 on: Oct 27, 2006, 02:58 PM »
Excellent Job!!!

This should be a sticky someplace!!

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 28, 2006, 10:04 PM »
Very nicely done Bean . Now its all up to us the consumers to figger out whats bull and what isn't  because you just posted the brands and models and  details each claim to have  and what alot of us start out with for info before asking questions.  ;) Great job .

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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #5 on: Oct 29, 2006, 09:58 AM »
Its nice for people to have a place to go to view all the important info with out having to go to the manufactors websites, it cuts down on all the excessive back patting that the companies like to do on there sites

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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #6 on: Oct 29, 2006, 10:36 AM »
Ahhh, but where's all the biased information and bs???? ;)  Nice thread bean.
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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #7 on: Nov 12, 2006, 09:28 PM »
Nice job, Bean.

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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #8 on: Nov 17, 2006, 12:56 AM »
this is a very good informational post I only have one question
how much power do's each transducer handle?
because haveing all that power is great but do's it use it? can you give me that please and no this is not to start an arguement i'm alway's trying to learn and this is (fishing electronic's) is expanding so fast it's neat to see the improvement's
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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #9 on: Nov 17, 2006, 06:18 AM »
this is a very good informational post I only have one question
how much power do's each transducer handle?
because haveing all that power is great but do's it use it? can you give me that please and no this is not to start an arguement i'm alway's trying to learn and this is (fishing electronic's) is expanding so fast it's neat to see the improvement's

I think you will have to contact each company and talk to their engineers about that. All I did was put what they have on their websites together for easy reference.
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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #10 on: Nov 24, 2006, 11:43 AM »
just out of curiosity which one do you have bean?
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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #11 on: Nov 24, 2006, 02:13 PM »
just out of curiosity which one do you have bean?

I have 3 actually. A vexilar FL-18, a marcum LX-5, and a gander mountain GS-X.  I've gotten some great deals by buying off of e-bay during the off season.
I have one ice buddy that mostly fishes tip-ups, but every now and then he'll get his jigging rod out, so I'll let him use one then. I also have a friend that I want to teach him about ice fishing, since he's never tried it. That's the reason I have that many.
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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #12 on: Nov 25, 2006, 02:52 PM »
I`m a satisfied fl-18 user but I`ve never tried a marcum or ever seen one on the ice for that matter. I was wonderind about the interferance control on the marcum as the vexilar has a pattented interference control built into the gain knob.  You can use several of these unit really close together. I`m always trying to keep with what what companys are doing as an upgrade is always inthe works, I strive to collect the best without going broke.

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« Reply #13 on: Nov 26, 2006, 09:10 AM »
heah lads . If you got a Vex be happy and things will be fine but if your going to upgrade or buy your first new flasher then look at the Marcum line. No vex user or x67c user has to change to catch fish and both will treat you well and do the job but if your choosing for upgrade or advanced tech...... seriously look at marcums . Best bang for buck and technologically advanced . ;) ;)

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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #14 on: Nov 26, 2006, 04:30 PM »
Duane, thanks for the info- I've just bought the LX5 and now am even more convinced I made the right choice.

Ditto...Got about 35 to 40 hrs open water time on mine now and I see no reason to believe I made a bad decision.
Cant wait to try it on ice.
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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #15 on: Nov 27, 2006, 04:10 PM »
does the lx-5 have the split screen like the vex.  you know like the whole column on one side and the zoom on the other?
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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #16 on: Nov 27, 2006, 04:24 PM »
This is a great post bean, very nice job.   :clap:

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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #17 on: Nov 27, 2006, 04:30 PM »
does the lx-5 have the split screen like the vex.  you know like the whole column on one side and the zoom on the other?

Yes. When in the zoom mode, the right side will be the whole water column and the left side will be your zoom area.
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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #18 on: Nov 27, 2006, 04:35 PM »
Yes it does and the advantage the Marcum has is you can move the zoom anywhere in the water column. With the Vex you only get zoom on bottom 6 feet.
I tried my LX-5 for the first time today (just upgraded from FL-18). Most impressed with the crisper lines and the moveable zoom. I saw some baitfish congregating 10 ft down in 22 feet of water. So I moved the zoom up to between 7 and 13 feet so I could zero in on them. I also liked the charging system. Just plug in and forget about it. No watching that little red light on the charger system on Vex anymore. The Marcum doesn't need monitoring as once it reaches full charge it shuts down to trickle charge it (maintaining it). The Marcum also has a little display on top of battery that tells you what condition your battery is in, ie ( "70%" of full charge).
Seems like a cadillac of flashers to me.

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Re: Flasher suggestions
« Reply #19 on: Nov 27, 2006, 05:49 PM »
does the lx-5 have the split screen like the vex.  you know like the whole column on one side and the zoom on the other?
Yes, and on the right hand zoom column, you can move it to any section of the sonar cone, not just a lock on the bottom.
The VX1 and LX3tc also have the split screen, and the LX3 for sure has the adjustable zoom, the VX1 has bottom lock.
I just juiced up the battery for my brother's gift - the upgraded LX3tc, runs quiet as a breeze, just like my LX5.

 


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