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electric drill question
« on: Sep 10, 2019, 04:39 PM »
Because of failing health and the need to go lighter, I am thinking about buying an electric drill set-up for this winter.  What all would I need to have?  What kind of drill is best?  I heard something about a plate, what kind is best?  And, can I use a jiffy pro4 4 inch auger in an electric drill?  If not, what auger is best?  Any help you folks can give is greatly appreciated since I haven't got a clue!

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #1 on: Sep 10, 2019, 04:58 PM »
Basics for the drill ...Brushless ..700 in/lbs or better..4 ah batteries or better ...DeWalt 991 and 996 ..Milwaukee 2803 and 2804 ...Ridgid Octane are the most used/discussed on IS . As far as an auger ..shaver blades..Lazer blades and Chipper style blades are the offerings ..all will work ..other auger drill unit considerations.. center point..and flite material (weight) .If you already have a hand auger with good blades  I would start with that ..it may be all you need..then you will need an adapter ..several company's have offerings ..HT ,StrikeMaster . The Clam Plate (MSRP $90)..is a great option as it functions similar to a gas auger in regards to stability.
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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #2 on: Sep 10, 2019, 05:31 PM »
I use the ridgid octane,clam plate and just a mora auger.rips ice.i got the plate so i wouldnt break the side handle off the drill.could easily just buy a good drill and get the new style augers with the pilot point and not use a clam plate tho.pistol bit or strikemaster lite flite or kdrill.they seem overpriced to me.jmo

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #3 on: Sep 10, 2019, 07:26 PM »
Because of failing health and the need to go lighter, I am thinking about buying an electric drill set-up for this winter.  What all would I need to have?  What kind of drill is best?  I heard something about a plate, what kind is best?  And, can I use a jiffy pro4 4 inch auger in an electric drill?  If not, what auger is best?  Any help you folks can give is greatly appreciated since I haven't got a clue!

Milwaukee 1200inlb drill
Clam plate
Any cheap hand auger 8in or less

If you don't have any wrist issues and have strong wrist a hand auger with a drill plate adaptor and drill is all you need

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #4 on: Sep 10, 2019, 08:16 PM »
Just picked up a rigid octane drill with battery/charger new on ebay for 129.00 plus ten bucks for shipping.

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #5 on: Sep 10, 2019, 08:48 PM »
You've certainly come to the right place to ask this question. All the guys who have posted answers are deeply experienced and you can't go wrong with any answer I've seen so far.
As you've experienced, gravity has just gotten meaner in the last few years. Just rolled 70 on the odometer myself and my gas augers and even my old IceGator will never see the ice again. The performance I've seen out the recent improvements in electric drills will keep old blisters like you and me drilling for at least a few more years. I lack first hand experience on the newer Dewalt drills but I own a Milwaukee Fuel and a Ridgid Octane, both superb year round tools, though the Ridgid is a couple of pounds heavier. Either one would easily spin your 4" auger flite unit (I run 8" with no problem) and with that little resistance you wouldn't need a Clam plate. Pick up a Strikemaster or other brand of adaptor for your Jiffy Pro4, screw in the auxiliary side handle that comes with the drill and you're off to the races.
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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #6 on: Sep 11, 2019, 06:48 AM »
I use a beat up old Ridgid Fuego with 500 in/lbs of torque and a 6" HT auger all mounted on a Clam plate. I got a pair of 4ah batteries and so far after a few years I haven't needed the second battery yet. I'll drill holes all day without babying my batteries going through up to 20+ inches of ice without failing and haven't used up a whole battery, pretty good. My suggestion is get a better drill and a better auger and the BEST batteries you can get.

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #7 on: Sep 11, 2019, 06:56 PM »
I use a RYOBI 18V ONE+ Brushless P251

It has 750 pounds of torque and I power it with a 6AH battery

It's not an expensive unit, and probably not as good as some other drills, but I have never had a problem with it so far.

For the auger I use an adapter for my 8" lazer and it turns it through a couple of feet of ice quickly and with no problems.

I don't use a plate yet, but I heard that a plate is better for the bearings since the drill motor is fixed on the plate and not directly attached to the auger.
Considering that it's basically a three-foot drill bit thats 8" in diameter it's being asked to lift and drill.

lots and lots of options.

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #8 on: Sep 17, 2019, 08:12 AM »
Thnx folks!  A lot to think about.

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #9 on: Sep 18, 2019, 11:00 PM »
Thnx folks!  A lot to think about.

Snitch...just a tip on a few things.

If you want to turn 7-8in augers. You need a minnimum of 700in/lbs of torque.

Drill brands really don't matter if it's a decent quality.

An 8in curved blade auger will work a 700in/lb drill pretty good. your better off with the flat blade shavers for an 8in if you only have 700in/lbs.

You'll want minnimum of a 4ah battery on the drill. Some 3ah batteries work, but you can have issues with 3ah or smaller batteries.

Also, some companies build a better battery pack that handles the cold better. So look into how well the battery pack is built for cold weather. Regaurdless of how well any of them are built, if you leave the batter out for hours in sub zero temps you'll have some issues. The only issue I ever had with this is when I had my Milwaukee setup in the back of my pickup box and drove 9hrs in -10 to -20 degree weather to upper red lake. Pulled it out of the pickup box and went to drill holes in the ice castle.....the auger would studder......once we warmed up the battery we were fine. Normal days I leave it outside the shack on the ice and never seen a problem.

Look for drills that are brushless. Brushed drills don't seem to have the durability or the built in protections like the brushless drills do to prevent damage to the drill.


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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #10 on: Sep 19, 2019, 08:03 AM »
Ridgid Octane 1500 ft/inch torque, 9ah battery, 8" Mora (or 6" with 700 ft/inch), Kovac steel adapter (don't get the Rapala aluminum garbage!)

These are my setups and work great!  I have been using the ridgid drills and mora augers since the drill adapters first came out (7yrs?).  The most important thing is a large amp hours battery and sharp blades.  These are the cause of 90% of the issues.  I only use gas for my 10" shaver auger and I still use a drill and adapter.  It's just a gas powered drill!

BTW-don't forget that if you can get this drill setup as a kit (with batteries and charger) the entire setup (including the batteries) carry a lifetime warranty.

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #11 on: Sep 24, 2019, 06:16 AM »
Because of failing health and the need to go lighter, I am thinking about buying an electric drill set-up for this winter.  What all would I need to have?  What kind of drill is best?  I heard something about a plate, what kind is best?  And, can I use a jiffy pro4 4 inch auger in an electric drill?  If not, what auger is best?  Any help you folks can give is greatly appreciated since I haven't got a clue!

I'm with you Snitch...getting older and a lot less mobile so wanted to go lighter. I chose a Bosch 18v / 700# torque w/ 4ah batteries turning a 4 and 6 in. laser auger. Bottom line: It is one of the lightest drills out there but enough power to turn both augers with ease. Batteries hold a charge real well. I run it without any type of plate with no issues...just use 2 hands. I did attach homemade auger savers (painted plywood) just in case auger dislodged from drill...never happened. Good luck.
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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #12 on: Oct 16, 2019, 11:00 AM »
I've asked a similar question and here is the useful information I received from the group:

HT Nero Auger (I'm going to go with the 7"

https://www.marinegeneral.com/product/ht-nero-auger/


Conversion piece for Clam Plate:

https://shop.clamoutdoors.com/nils-auger-adapter-for-conversion-kit.html 


Clam Plate:

https://www.amazon.com/Clam-9935-4567-0792-Drill-Conversion/dp/B014JWLDD2/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=clam+plate+auger&psc=1&qid=1571241547&sr=8-1


Not sure about the drill - Dewalt, Milwaukee, maybe one you already own...

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #13 on: Oct 16, 2019, 11:36 AM »
I've asked a similar question and here is the useful information I received from the group:


https://shop.clamoutdoors.com/nils-auger-adapter-for-conversion-kit.html 


Not certain but no adapter needed ..the Clam Extension may be what your are referring too


https://shop.clamoutdoors.com/drill-auger-extension.html





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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #14 on: Oct 17, 2019, 08:37 PM »
I run two drill set ups....I have a 4.5 nils on a Dewalt 995 and have drilled thousands of holes scouting with this set up. I also run a 6" Nils on a Clam drill plate with a Dewalt 996 on tournament day or lakes that I know hold bigger gills and crappie

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #15 on: Oct 27, 2019, 12:26 PM »
I found a Dewalt 20 volt Max Lithium-Ion Drill/Impact Driver kit You get; the drill, impact driver, 2- 20 volt batteries, charger, bag and drill bit set, for 149.99.  Would this drill be sufficient for a 4 inch auger?

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #16 on: Oct 27, 2019, 01:01 PM »
i have an old ridgid 500 inch pound drill that turns a 4 inch and 6 inch lazers.

if you know the model of the drill i can look up the inch pounds for you.

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #17 on: Oct 27, 2019, 01:18 PM »
Another rule of thumb...100 in. lbs. of torque per inch of auger. However, I do run a 4 ah battery in my Bosch and it turns my 6" lazer with no problems.
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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #18 on: Oct 27, 2019, 02:11 PM »
I found a Dewalt 20 volt Max Lithium-Ion Drill/Impact Driver kit You get; the drill, impact driver, 2- 20 volt batteries, charger, bag and drill bit set, for 149.99.  Would this drill be sufficient for a 4 inch auger?

Look for the 991 or 996 models ..these should work for an 8 inch auger..the 985 I have  works a 6 inch laser just fine but an 8 inch would be pushing it on my opinon on ice thicker ice on a regular basis.
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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #19 on: Oct 28, 2019, 04:29 AM »
i have an old ridgid 500 inch pound drill that turns a 4 inch and 6 inch lazers.

if you know the model of the drill i can look up the inch pounds for you.

Its called a Dewalt 20 volt MAX

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #20 on: Oct 28, 2019, 05:41 AM »
Its called a Dewalt 20 volt MAX

That's the line, not the model. Sort of like saying your truck is a Ford.

The model number will be something like "DCD995M2"

Just guessing from the 149.99 listed price up thread, but it's probably marginal (both power and battery size) given how cheap it is. But, might be ok for a 4 inch auger depending on ice thickness and how many holes you drill on a typical trip

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #21 on: Oct 28, 2019, 05:50 AM »
basically the uwo is nearly the same in inch pounds, so your drill (DCD780CD) should be nearly 355 inch pounds max as it has 350 uwo. if it has the 1.5amp hour battery this can create issues such as not drilling many holes to being under powered depending on load.

https://www.dewalt.com/products/power-tools/drills/drills-and-hammer-drills/20v-max-lithium-ion-compact-drill--driver-kit-15-ah/dcd780c2


normally dewalt europe sells the same products, but i can't find your drill sold there. they have the specs displayed in nm and then you convert those to inch pounds.

https://products.dewalt.co.uk/powertools/productdetails/catno/DCD996P2/
this drill for example is 820 uwo or 95nm which is 840 inch pounds.
https://www.convertunits.com/from/newton+meters/to/inch+pounds

basically we want 100 inch pounds per inch of ice auger. this means you'll be pushing the drill hard depending on load or how it cuts and the type of of ice it is cutting and blade sharpness ect. the tiny 1.5 amp battery will have a hard time supplying the amps needed for any length of time.
normally we want 4 amp battery or higher.

depending on the drills protections built in, it should hopefully cut out when over heated and not fry the motor. how sensitive this protection is could pose issues as well. meaning it could just keep cutting out multiple times cutting one hole.

another issue is the drill is not a hammer drill which often times means the transmission is not as rugged.

i recommend a stronger hammer drill/battery. if this is the brand you prefer, then the above drill is a good choice for ice augers and will easily cut 4 inch holes and larger.

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #22 on: Oct 28, 2019, 07:02 AM »
I use Mora modified hand augers. ($10 ea) chipper. Lazer and shaver. Chipper requires greater power and stops drill if pushed too aggressive so use it on my Eakimo Mako  43 withice > 20" ice. Started with a mud mixer found to be too heavy & thermo cut out after 3 or 4 holes needing to wait up to 5 min to recover. Went to the Mwlk 2804 (1200 ip) and 9ah  battery. Also replaced the chuck with a DIY fixed adapter & added the iON quick release. Never loose a drill bit & clam plate retired. Plan on getting the 12ah battery with the new Samsong 20700 batteries as they deliver more power than 1he 18650's.


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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #23 on: Oct 28, 2019, 07:03 AM »
There are two Ice Fishing Magazines on the stand. Both have some info on augers.
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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #24 on: Oct 28, 2019, 12:03 PM »
basically the uwo is nearly the same in inch pounds, so your drill (DCD780CD) should be nearly 355 inch pounds max as it has 350 uwo. if it has the 1.5amp hour battery this can create issues such as not drilling many holes to being under powered depending on load.

https://www.dewalt.com/products/power-tools/drills/drills-and-hammer-drills/20v-max-lithium-ion-compact-drill--driver-kit-15-ah/dcd780c2


normally dewalt europe sells the same products, but i can't find your drill sold there. they have the specs displayed in nm and then you convert those to inch pounds.

https://products.dewalt.co.uk/powertools/productdetails/catno/DCD996P2/
this drill for example is 820 uwo or 95nm which is 840 inch pounds.
https://www.convertunits.com/from/newton+meters/to/inch+pounds

basically we want 100 inch pounds per inch of ice auger. this means you'll be pushing the drill hard depending on load or how it cuts and the type of of ice it is cutting and blade sharpness ect. the tiny 1.5 amp battery will have a hard time supplying the amps needed for any length of time.
normally we want 4 amp battery or higher.

depending on the drills protections built in, it should hopefully cut out when over heated and not fry the motor. how sensitive this protection is could pose issues as well. meaning it could just keep cutting out multiple times cutting one hole.

another issue is the drill is not a hammer drill which often times means the transmission is not as rugged.

i recommend a stronger hammer drill/battery. if this is the brand you prefer, then the above drill is a good choice for ice augers and will easily cut 4 inch holes and larger.
When I looked at your suggestion of the 18v xr xrp dcd996p2, it shows an 18v hammerdrill for $299.  When I put the same model number into HomeDepot, It comes up as a 20v Max xr Lithium Ion Premium Brushless 1.2 in hammerdrill w 2-5ah batteries, charger and hard case for $299.

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #25 on: Oct 28, 2019, 08:53 PM »
i didn't shop for it until you did, but that's the same info i get as well.
some reviews here and same price.

https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DCD996P2-Lithium-Brushless-3-Speed/dp/B01DR90NA2

if you can wait for black friday sales you should find deals on drills.

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #26 on: Oct 29, 2019, 08:47 AM »
Acme Tools 10% off code Boo... Brings this drill down to $251

https://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/milwaukee-2803-22-m18-fuel-drill-driver-kit
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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #27 on: Oct 29, 2019, 10:22 AM »
Thnx for all your help guys!  Not sure what I'll get yet, lol.  Just don't know much about drills or the different makers.  But the ones mentioned above; DeWalt, Milwaukee, Rigid etc. must be the top contenders.  I guess it comes down to where you can find the best deal with the most accessories, as long as you stay with a higher power output.  Thanx again for all of your help.

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #28 on: Nov 02, 2019, 10:30 PM »
Last year I was just like you. Wanted a light weight electric auger and didn't know anything about drills or how to pair them with an auger. To make a long story short, I ended up getting a 6" K-drill Ice Auger. I bought the drill they recommend, a Milwaukee M-18 Fuel Brushless hammer drill/driver with a M-18 Red Lithium XC 5.0 battery. I love it, and can't wait to get out on the ice with it again this year. It drills dozens of holes (mostly I'm on less than 12" of ice) and the battery never comes close to discharging. The chipper blade can be used to open up old holes, something I find useful. A shaver blade, like you find on hand augers, can't do that. The K-drill auger doesn't need a plate because it has a float at the top so when it happens to come loose from the drill and drop in the hole it pops right back up. The thing that appealed to me is that the K-drill auger is made to be used with an electric drill. It's not like cobbling together a drill with an auger that was made to be used by hand.

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Re: electric drill question
« Reply #29 on: Nov 12, 2019, 12:43 AM »
I'd highly recommend going with the rigid cordless from home depot. It has plenty of torque and just plain gets the job done. Best thing about them is the lifetime warranty on the drill AND batteries!! I drill upwards of 30 holes before i even start to fish and have never run out of juice on a single 5 amp battery!!! The drill comes with two batteries. The chuck did hang up this summer on a woodworking project and hey promptly put a new chuck in it!! As we all know, the batteries are the expensive part. Not only does the drill get the job done, it gives will outlast you!!

 



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