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Offline Duke22

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #60 on: Feb 26, 2018, 09:44 AM »
IMO, this has been one of the more, if not THE most interesting topics I have read on this forum.  I have a great amount of respect for all fisherman, and their reasons for keeping and/or releasing (this, of course does not include those who cross the line of the law).  Years ago, I had an experience with a walleye fishermen getting angry about keeping walleye that they felt they should be released, and to be quite honest, their argument, at the time, was something that had never crossed my mind, and also made a lot of sense.  I have enjoyed reading everyone's opinion on this topic, however, over the years I have developed a mindset that hasn't been expressed here yet.  I DO considered myself a trophy fisherman/hunter.  I have had a lot of success with big bulls/bucks/fish throughout the years.  Where I have become different with fishing though, is that I do not have to keep a fish to enjoy it.  I have literally fished multiple days on multiple trips, and only kept the fish that I felt would not survive, and have never let a piece of meat go to waste.  If by chance I caught a trophy, pictures are taken and the fish is back in the water as soon as possible.  While hunting, I have set standards of the quality of animal that I would like to harvest, and if three or four years pass without seeing that type of animal, I am very content to go without.  I simply enjoy being in the mountains, on the ice, or on the lake in the summer.  I enjoy watching others succeed, fill the freezer if needed/wanted, or take pride in a big fish that they wish to keep.  I enjoy the thrill of not knowing what is one the other end of the line, or what is over the next ridge. In other words, I enjoys hunting WAY more that killing, and I enjoy fishing WAY more than catching.  To judge someone that has different motivations is ignorant.  I am fortunate enough to have a freezer full of beef every year, but also thoroughly enjoy eating fish/elk.  Who am I to place judgment on the guy that needs to kill two cow elk a year and keep every fish he can legally keep to feed his family??  Who am I to judge the guy that loves putting mounts on the wall??  In my opinion, there is an off setting group of people that have differing methods/ways that make fishing fun.  Until the FWP places lower limits or places a slot on a fishery, we should simply respect the people that are playing by the rules/laws, and criticize only those who are not.

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #61 on: Feb 26, 2018, 09:52 AM »
well said snitch#8 we here are not judges. you do what you do i do what i do (within the law of course) i do not pass judgement on anyone lest i be judged.
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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #62 on: Feb 26, 2018, 10:07 AM »
Ditto. One thing that I do know is that we are never going to be able to come to a consensus to this topic. One thing to keep in mind is the varying ages of those on this site. I for one came from a depression era family where nothing went to waste and nothing went back into the water. Doesn't mean that is the way I am, but I can tell you that if my father, who would have been 88 today if he was still with us, was involved with the hunting or fishing trip, nothing would be let go to grow up. I think as a general rule the younger generations are much more tolerant of catch and release or letting the animal go to grow up another year or two. Doesn't mean its a good thing or a bad thing as long as a person is functioning within the limits of the laws that are established for us to follow. If you wish to change the laws/Rules, then run for political office and be part of the solution.

 

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #63 on: Feb 26, 2018, 10:21 AM »
gf hard water guy you really dont  want to run for office do you? just think of all the names and such you will be called.
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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #64 on: Feb 26, 2018, 12:01 PM »
Not on either of our lives hoofer. Not enough money in the world for that kind of headache. Probably more than a few people out there that would come out of the woodwork if my true identity was revealed in a campaign of this nature as well. :)

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #65 on: Feb 26, 2018, 12:33 PM »
I think to say the younger generation is more aware of the benefits of c+r is a bit short sighted. I don't see the older generation as a bunch of hard headed bumpkins that would rape that land for all it's worth without care for the future generations. I think it had more to do with a trust that God was faithful and put those fish in the water to feed us. I hear the argument that it is more expensive to go fishing for fish than it is to buy them in the supermarket. And that big fish and bucks bring so much out of town money around we should adopt antler restrictions and slot and small bag limits on our fish. I'm here to say that I don't believe our fish and game should be sported out to trophy anglers while the natural way is pushed further and further into taboo. People that have no idea where there food comes from, sealed in cellophane with no face or idea where it lived it's life or what the conditions were like. That say I would rather grab a burger on the way home, or think cleaning fish after a day of grinding on the ice an impossible task. If I must expect flak or a hard time from someone like that for keeping a 21" walleye, you better think it and not say it.

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #66 on: Feb 26, 2018, 12:46 PM »
Agree 100% Dave.

“Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching- even when doing the wrong thing is legal.”

― Aldo Leopold

That is a great quote from one of our best stewards of natural resources. I think a lot of people would benefit from becoming more knwolegable of his work.

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #67 on: Feb 26, 2018, 12:56 PM »
Another way to show more respect for the resource is to kick the fillet habit. Bones are not scattered randomly thru a fish's body---they are quite easy to find, actually. Slow down, savor the flavor as you eat and pick out the bones as you eat. Much less waste. as for pike, the are shaped like logs anyway. What do you do with logs---you saw them up. So cut the pike into steaks rather than fillets.
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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #68 on: Feb 26, 2018, 01:46 PM »
Those of us who like eating fish with the bones in them, are truly a dying breed!  For the life of me I can't understand it, since they taste much better with the bones in them. Some say the increased taste isn't enough for them to pick bones.  And, filleting is quicker and easier!  That is just one more thing for the argument that quicker and easier, aren't always better.  I fillet for my wife and kids because they don't like picking the bones, although my fish are left whole.  Picking or filleting is another one of those things that makes us all different!

Offline gf hardwater guy

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #69 on: Feb 26, 2018, 04:03 PM »
My point was that the majority of the depression era babies where I grew up and have had the pleasure to know over the years, have the take the limit mentality and don't stop until you do. More than anything else it was a matter of having food to eat or being hungry. That mentality in a lot of cases was passed down to the offspring of the depression era babies as a learned behavior. We are creatures of our environment unless we make a conscious effort to change that. I might cause a fire storm by saying that, but its my opinion and I am entitled to state such. Not saying that those offspring can't grow out of the habit as I am testament to it, but there is a lot to what I say. Take what you or others can eat and eat what you take. Trophies, dinks, pigs, etc.     

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #70 on: Feb 26, 2018, 04:28 PM »
we fish for fun now. it would be a lot cheaper to go to the store for your fish.same for hunting although i love deer and elk steaks @25-30 dollars a pound.but wheres the fun in that.i keep enough fish for a few meals (to lazy to fillet a 50 fish limit because i will be going again) yes i fillet my fish hate bones they get stuck in my dentures.
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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #71 on: Feb 26, 2018, 05:39 PM »
Hoofer.

Sssssssh, don't tell our wives. I have been out to Holter the holy grail of perch fishing in this area and the back topic of this extended thread and have brought home the total of 6 perch. Do the price per pound on that one driving round trip in a full sized half ton 4x4 pickup along with the bait, beer, tackle, etc. You are 100% correct.  I too am too lazy or maybe my adhd doesn't allow me to focus enough to do 50 fish, but I would have to catch that many to have to worry about it. Doesn't appear that is going to happen this year anyhow so that I guess is a good thing.

Tight lines all. I just broke a shoe lace in my work shoe so I need to get that replaced before I go home this evening. AHHH, the important things in life.

 

Offline Mizayikaa

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #72 on: Feb 26, 2018, 08:37 PM »
Ha. that reminds me of this fall when I went salmon fishing at fort peck.  I only managed to catch two.  My wife couldn't refrain from telling me those fish were $500 apiece.  I told her "aren't you glad I didn't catch more?"
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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #73 on: Feb 26, 2018, 08:37 PM »
And yes,  I kept them both.
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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #74 on: Feb 26, 2018, 09:32 PM »
And yes,  I kept them both.

How do those kings taste out of Peck? Curious how they compare to a salt fish.

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #75 on: Feb 26, 2018, 09:50 PM »
Can I ask what some of those things are?

Here’s one straight from the MT regs.

“All Paddlefish caught during the catch-and-release season must be released immediately and may not be gaffed or lifted out of the water. Captured fish must remain at least partially submerged in water at all times (to avoid injury to the fish).”

Keep in mind, these protections are regarding paddlefish legally snagged and landed using up to size 8/0 hooks.



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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #76 on: Feb 27, 2018, 01:35 AM »
How do those kings taste out of Peck? Curious how they compare to a salt fish.
This was snagging season so they are coming in to "spawn" and die.  I hit it early and one was fantastic.  I am typically a white fish guy but it was as good as any salmon I have had.  I spent 8 years on the Puget Sound so I have had a few.  Unfortunately the other one was starting to turn and get soft.  I thought I could salvage it on the smoker but it was too far gone.  I guess that makes one $1000 fish.  Really glad I didn't catch more now.
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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #77 on: Feb 27, 2018, 08:46 AM »
This was snagging season so they are coming in to "spawn" and die.  I hit it early and one was fantastic.  I am typically a white fish guy but it was as good as any salmon I have had.  I spent 8 years on the Puget Sound so I have had a few.  Unfortunately the other one was starting to turn and get soft.  I thought I could salvage it on the smoker but it was too far gone.  I guess that makes one $1000 fish.  Really glad I didn't catch more now.
What!  Say it ain't soooo!  You caught a fish, took it home and didn't eat it?  Heaven forbid.  You're really asking for the haters to come calling.  Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I know the fish was bad and it was going to die anyway!!!  However, I'm pretty sure there will be some idiot, there always is, that only allowed the part of taking the fish home and throwing it away, register.  Seems like a lot of that happens on these sites and elsewhere for that matter.  People have a tendency to read or hear only what they want to, instead of letting "everything" digest.  I wonder what they would do if I told them our neighbors to the north put perch and bluegills under their rose bushes.  Just never figured out why they prefer to eat Lakers, above perch or gills.  But, I guess if its a fish "they" caught legally, they can do just about any dam thing they want with it!  Taking a line from Hagrid, "Now I shouldn't have said that", now the haters will come calling to me.  As Always, Take Care Everyone and Stay Safe!

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #78 on: Feb 27, 2018, 09:55 AM »
Let em come.  I had a buddy that used to say "In order for life to sustain, something has to die."  I may not have eaten both those fish but they did get to go full circle in the cycle of life as opposed to being thrown in the trash.  Come to think of it that same buddy used to also say "There's no point in arguing with stupid."
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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #79 on: Feb 27, 2018, 10:09 AM »
Let em come.  I had a buddy that used to say "In order for life to sustain, something has to die."  I may not have eaten both those fish but they did get to go full circle in the cycle of life as opposed to being thrown in the trash.  Come to think of it that same buddy used to also say "There's no point in arguing with stupid."

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #80 on: Feb 27, 2018, 10:22 AM »
Right on. I lived in Kent for a couple years when Century Link Stadium was being built, my dad and I spent a lot of time fishing the Sound and coastal rivers. Talk about a fishery that has zero catch and release except for wild fish. And correct me if I am wrong, but the salmon in Fort Peck are obviously stocked, so are they used to restock the lake once they spawn? I wouldn't think it would be a viable source of reproduction, meaning that it would have to be helped out through stocking processes, so it shouldn't matter if you kept whatever you caught because that individual fish wouldn't make a contribution to the population anyways.

Offline Mizayikaa

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #81 on: Feb 27, 2018, 10:38 AM »
That is correct.  FWP collect these fish in the fall and harvest their eggs to take back to the hatchery.  The surviving fry get stocked into the lake in the spring. They live out a three or four year cycle and head back in to "spawn".  They open up to snagging in the fall when they come in because these fish are just going to die anyway.  It's actually a bigger waste of resources to not take them home.  Although I think pretty much all people doing the snagging game realize it's not a catch and release sport.  That being said I would like anyone who feels like attacking to know that in other scenarios I keep a few and I release a few as well.  I like to eat fish and even more so I want my kids to be able to go fishing.
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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #82 on: Feb 27, 2018, 10:52 AM »
Just goes to show that the catch and release conundrum is not so easily answered. There are so many variables on each given fish, body of water, season, etc... I think the most important question would be to ask if fish that are caught, regardless of size or trophy 'status' are going to waste. I don't think I could condemn anyone for keeping any fish legally caught, so long as it is being consumed and not left to rot in the freezer unti an angler deems it inedible and throws it away.

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« Reply #83 on: Feb 27, 2018, 11:02 AM »
I would agree with that.  I think most people still know the difference between right and wrong and I usually find that the most defensive people have the guiltiest consciences.
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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #84 on: Feb 28, 2018, 06:01 PM »
Pretty open ?

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #85 on: Feb 28, 2018, 06:43 PM »
Just goes to show that the catch and release conundrum is not so easily answered. There are so many variables on each given fish, body of water, season, etc... I think the most important question would be to ask if fish that are caught, regardless of size or trophy 'status' are going to waste. I don't think I could condemn anyone for keeping any fish legally caught, so long as it is being consumed and not left to rot in the freezer unti an angler deems it inedible and throws it away.
makes perfect sense...still won't keep trophy fish...aint judging no one...but like ive said...feel good about those big boys in the water...

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #86 on: Feb 28, 2018, 07:03 PM »
there are so many ways to catch....and catch n release in a way where you increase the release survival ratio..sky high....water temps..playing out..depths..bait vs active fishing.. if you are dead sticking and you gut shot a rainbow on a worm? keep it..no matter if it counts against your limit..and if you are going fly fishing in summer where water temps high and stream flows are low...don't hook some fish for your personal enjoyment.go hiking instead..be aware...and think of the fish first....

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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #87 on: Mar 01, 2018, 01:39 PM »
If you are truly that concerned about the fish you would never wet a line. ::) how can you sleep at night knowing one of the those non native speckled carp might not have survived the unnecessary torment you put it through for your own enjoyment.And if it does imagine the years of PTSD it will endure with no other shoulder to lean on other than a lonely crawdad or muskrat.
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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #88 on: Mar 01, 2018, 04:24 PM »
Now that you put it that way, maybe I'll give it up altogether!.

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Naaah, not happening!!
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Re: to release or not to release
« Reply #89 on: Mar 02, 2018, 09:12 AM »
We could start a support group for Caught and Released fish,a safe place where they can share their stories and receive the support they need to return to society.     :'(CARA :'(
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