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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #60 on: Feb 22, 2017, 07:25 PM »
I think that requiring fishermen to kill any species of a NEWLY invasive nature is a good idea. It might not get rid of the threat but it might slow its growth. If indeed pike are breeding in Waterbury, allowing them to reach legal size before keeping them gives them at least one breeding season.

I'm not suggesting the elimination of non-native species everywhere, just to be clear. This line of thought is entirely for the new infestations, because those are the ones where it has a chance of working as intended.

The state has quite a lot of pike water which is not a bad thing, but pike don't need to be everywhere and shouldn't be.

Not too long ago pickerel appeared in my favorite little brook trout pond that's out in the middle of nowhere. Someone had to carry them in quite a long way, because the nearest road is several miles away.
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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #61 on: Feb 22, 2017, 08:08 PM »
man there's a lot of pike haters out there!!!

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #62 on: Feb 22, 2017, 08:13 PM »
man there's a lot of pike haters out there!!!

Given their tendency to take over whatever waterbody they end up in, to the detriment of most other species, containing them is not such a bad thing, I would say?

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #63 on: Feb 22, 2017, 08:28 PM »
man there's a lot of pike haters out there!!!

Pike are one of my favorite fish- I enjoy fishing for them, but we don't need every water-body in the state to be pike water. A bit of diversity is a good thing. I'm not entirely sure that pike in Waterbury would be the doomsday scenario a lot of people seem to be seeing, but we really do already have a lot of good pike water around.
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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #64 on: Feb 23, 2017, 06:44 AM »
man there's a lot of pike haters out there!!!

I think it's a general hate of invasives being spread more so than a pike thing...just so happens that's the species in this discussion.  I personally love them!

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #65 on: Feb 23, 2017, 07:05 AM »
I love pike too - but its getting harder and harder to find good trout waters, while good pike fishing is everywhere.

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #66 on: Feb 23, 2017, 07:39 PM »
Given their tendency to take over whatever waterbody they end up in, to the detriment of most other species, containing them is not such a bad thing, I would say?
The detriment of most other species??? Seriously I fish for trout in the same rivers and lakes as I do pike and find plenty of both. impo just more fun to catch a 40" pike than a 18" trout

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #67 on: Feb 23, 2017, 10:02 PM »
I love pike too - but its getting harder and harder to find good trout waters, while good pike fishing is everywhere.
X2 on that Pete!

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #68 on: Feb 24, 2017, 05:21 AM »
The detriment of most other species??? Seriously I fish for trout in the same rivers and lakes as I do pike and find plenty of both. impo just more fun to catch a 40" pike than a 18" trout

Good analogy. Thats like saying lifting 40 lbs is harder than 18.  ???

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #69 on: Feb 24, 2017, 06:26 AM »
Man you guys are getting fired up.
When I lived in VA I hunted illegally introduced wild boar in a small farming town
Damn that was the best hunting obsession of my life!
And I got a 440lb full body mount with 5" tusks after 4 years of killing.
Grow some monsters!! chomp on some grain fed, concrete tank, spineless bait fish!
Come on get on the ice fish!!

Offline shadylane

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #70 on: Feb 24, 2017, 06:48 AM »
Man you guys are getting fired up.

Poor ice season, people are a bit touchy haha

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #71 on: Feb 24, 2017, 07:19 AM »
Anybody wonder how pike ended up In the lamoille river  somebody dumped a ton of em into lake lamoille and after Irene they got pushed down stream into the river itself I've seen huge pike in the lamoille in Johnson

The difference between there and Waterbury is that the pike would need to travel upstream over a formidable concrete dam near the gorge and the mammoth Waterbury Dam itself and unless they sprout wings the only way they're going to do it is to be carried. I have caught a few small ones in the flats on the Winooski near Richmond, almost in Bolton, and some further down that were bigger in Williston (near IBM), but that's still a long flight from there to Waterbury, especially for a fish.

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #72 on: Feb 25, 2017, 04:43 PM »
The detriment of most other species??? Seriously I fish for trout in the same rivers and lakes as I do pike and find plenty of both. impo just more fun to catch a 40" pike than a 18" trout

If trout and pike are in the same river where you're fishing, chances are, it's either stocked with trout, or connected to a lake with a trout population. Pike love to eat trout, and basically, anything smaller than them. I like to catch big fish too, but that doesn't mean we ought to be putting pike everywhere. Yeah, you can still catch trout in pike water, but if it's a small waterbody, the trout tend to be severely limited in terms of numbers and size by the pike. Look no farther than Norton Pond in the NEK for an example of this.

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #73 on: Feb 25, 2017, 08:09 PM »
Look no farther than Norton Pond in the NEK for an example of this.

What does Norton produce for trout? Honest question.
I know trout and pike are in Bomo, Glenn, and Dunmore. All of which produce NICE trout. Is the problem you just end up with mature trout and that's it?
Don't pay any attention to my handle. Sound biology trumps my passion for pursuing a particular species. I don't think that we should have pike in every body of water. Well aware they have a taste for trout, and can potentially pose a threat. They are a formidable predator for sure.

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #74 on: Feb 26, 2017, 07:00 AM »
splash your toes in the water near a hungry pike and you could very well get your foot attacked... pike will eat anything.
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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #75 on: Feb 26, 2017, 07:06 AM »
What does Norton produce for trout? Honest question.
I know trout and pike are in Bomo, Glenn, and Dunmore. All of which produce NICE trout. Is the problem you just end up with mature trout and that's it?
Don't pay any attention to my handle. Sound biology trumps my passion for pursuing a particular species. I don't think that we should have pike in every body of water. Well aware they have a taste for trout, and can potentially pose a threat. They are a formidable predator for sure.

Norton Pond was a trout lake until someone dumped some pike into it, from what I understand.

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #76 on: Feb 26, 2017, 09:05 AM »
I know trout and pike are in Bomo, Glenn, and Dunmore. All of which produce NICE trout. Is the problem you just end up with mature trout and that's it?

I think Pike tend to take over most effectively in shallow lakes like Norton. In deeper lakes, I suspect that the trout can find refuge from the pike in deeper water, which might explain Bomo, Glenn, and Dunmore. Spawning areas for pike might also be a limiting factor on them. But, in shallow brook trout ponds and lakes, the pike seem to go hog-wild.

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #77 on: Feb 26, 2017, 09:37 AM »
There's 2 different types of pike.
Common shallow water predator pike.
And there's your deep water "lake pike"
These are harder to target in winter months and there are not
As many.
These tend to get much bigger.
My guess that's what's going on there they've adapted to survive
In the deeper water feeding on smelt, perch and trout.
I like fishing there for trout in the winter ive always have done well.
So Im bummed there's pike in there.
You can't fish that lake during the summer months because it's getting destroyed by ski boats and Jet skis.
Nobody ever monitored the boats coming in and out of there so there's vegetation growth from other bodies of water already taking over.
They need to restrict large boats and Jet skis from that
 Lake it's destroying it.
But the state does not care because they make a lot of revenue off the state Park and water skiers camping there.
That's just my 2 cents.

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #78 on: Feb 26, 2017, 09:41 AM »
I think Pike tend to take over most effectively in shallow lakes like Norton. In deeper lakes, I suspect that the trout can find refuge from the pike in deeper water, which might explain Bomo, Glenn, and Dunmore. Spawning areas for pike might also be a limiting factor on them. But, in shallow brook trout ponds and lakes, the pike seem to go hog-wild.

I've caught pike down to 35-40 feet, but that's about it, and the norm is 5-30 feet, so I'd have to agree with the above. I think that Waterbury, being considerably deeper than that is probably safe from total trout wipe out, but places like Norton are less safe.
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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #79 on: Feb 26, 2017, 12:33 PM »
Pike love all soft spined fish: smelt, trout, young of the perch.
 I fish for pike extensively, glad they are widely available. I truly hope guys
are not playing bait bucket biologists.

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #80 on: Feb 26, 2017, 06:26 PM »
Hmm i agree..i also caught a beaver there once.
It too bit me in the butt and took off with my oar.
I am thinking this was an isolated incident.probably
Needed a "pair" of oars...so watch for a beaver in a rowboat
At the rez.... ::)

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #81 on: Feb 26, 2017, 08:04 PM »
How long does it take for a 14" pike to reach 40"+ and over 20 lbs in a reservoir with a good food supply?
I've got a spot on my wall for such a fish, and now know where to go, just need to know what year I should start the pursuit
Come on get on the ice fish!!

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #82 on: Feb 27, 2017, 06:20 AM »
How long does it take for a 14" pike to reach 40"+ and over 20 lbs in a reservoir with a good food supply?
I've got a spot on my wall for such a fish, and now know where to go, just need to know what year I should start the pursuit

A 14in Pike would be about 2 years old. 
You can use this as a reference.  Pike in Champlain in the 36-38 inch range are 9-10 years old, and 40-42 inch pike are an additional 3-4 years.  Pike in Champlain grow fast, other lakes/ponds may take them longer to reach those lengths.

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #83 on: Feb 27, 2017, 06:32 AM »
With the abundance of smelt and perch in handy snack-sizes, they would likely grow pretty well in Waterbury, just like the bass do.
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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #84 on: Feb 27, 2017, 01:33 PM »
Magog - pike are going crazy in Magog. Eight years ago a real rarity and now a regular catch.

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #85 on: Feb 27, 2017, 02:46 PM »
Yes now catching them on the main lake every depth. I also noticed perch got bigger too.
But that's a big Lake probably much different.
Champlain
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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #86 on: Mar 08, 2017, 04:08 PM »
Go pike!!

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #87 on: Mar 08, 2017, 04:10 PM »
Any more been caught?

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #88 on: Mar 16, 2017, 09:11 AM »
How long does it take for a 14" pike to reach 40"+ and over 20 lbs in a reservoir with a good food supply?
I've got a spot on my wall for such a fish, and now know where to go, just need to know what year I should start the pursuit

Usually somewhere around 20 years for a 40'' 20 lb fish.

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Re: There's pike in the Waterbury reservoir?
« Reply #89 on: Mar 17, 2017, 08:40 AM »
Pike growth rates also depend on climate all food being equal. Growing season North of 50 or even more extreme North of 55 parallel  in Canada take a lot longer to grow to 40 inches than fish below US border.

 



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