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Neil McCauley

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So, somebody "falls through"...
« on: Jan 18, 2015, 02:13 PM »
What then? Assuming they get out...

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #1 on: Jan 18, 2015, 02:41 PM »
Assuming they get out. Point and laugh at them! ::)
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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #2 on: Jan 18, 2015, 10:16 PM »
The danger at this point is hypothermia and it will set in fast.  They need to get to shelter, out of the wet clothes, dry off, and warm up.   Get them off the ice ASAP and while you're doing that call 911.  I'm sure someone will disagree with this but based on my experience which is having been with a volunteer fire department for twenty years and being certified in ice rescue, it's the right thing to do.  Hypothermia can and will kill you and it will set in much faster if you're wet.  Get them moving, the movement will help maintain their body temperature.  Once at shore get them into a vehicle and crank up the heat have them remove the outer layer of wet clothes, and wrap them in a blanket.  If you have warm NON-ALCOHOLIC drinks have them sip them, the warm drink will help stabilize their body temperature.  Again DO NOT give any ALCOHOL, it will be an issue with medicines that may need to be given at the hospital and beyond that it actually lowers the body temperature.  After the person who went through is with the emergency medical services try to leave some type of warning to others that there is unsafe ice to help prevent someone else from going through. 

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #3 on: Jan 19, 2015, 10:38 AM »
I agree with Chris. Got to get them warmed up and dry hard to replace a fisherman

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #4 on: Jan 29, 2015, 06:11 PM »
Tell them to remain calm, do not panic, do not risk drowning.  Let them stabilize and get themselves under control to keep their mind right.  If they have ice picks tell them to lay flat as possible and flop like a seal forward while pulling themselves onto the ice.  The flatter the better to get on top and then roll away from the ice.  DO NOT STAND UP until at least 20 yards back in the direction they came knowing that there is safe ice.

If they do not have ice picks tell them to remain calm, once calm you can approach with caution.  Have a rope with some type of float or buoy on it in your sled (easier to throw a rope with something attached) get it to them and tell them to secure it to themselves.  Tell them to lie flat and "seal" out the same way, once on top roll away from the ice again DO NOT STAND UP!

If you do not have a rope and they do not have picks but you have picks, approach flat as possible and slide picks to them with instructions on what to do.  The worst case scenario is now there are two people in the ice...approach with caution is an understatement, you want to be as far from the person as possible to help them get on top of strong ice.

Once they are out, start a fire if far away from somewhere.  If close to a rig, get them there and give them a change of clothes, or your own outer layers, crank the heat and assess the situation.  If they were there for a long time or have a pre-existing condition that cold weather is not good for, do not hesitate to call 911, keep them warm and do what Chris338378 posted below.  If you do not know the person or how long they have been struggling call 911 right away, it may cost them money but they will be glad it didn't cost them their life.

This is what I think based on emergency responder CPR training and watching/reading a lot of CG and ice safety information.  If I find myself in that situation this is what I would do, it is in no way a professional instruction on the situation.

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #5 on: Jan 29, 2015, 09:35 PM »
http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=529131  Thoughts and prayers go out for the families

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #6 on: Jan 31, 2015, 04:13 AM »
I read through that thread, very sad that must have been a very horrible feeling.  RIP Al, might be across the country but him and his family are in my thoughts.

Today I came up with a stronger and more compact buoy and rope system for my sled.  It's extremely hard to hear about all of the deaths this year, especially in the east where everyone has had such cold temps I thought there would be less people going through.

One of my buddies, buddy went through in his truck mid week this week in Wisconsin, he was able to get out because of shallow water, but even on 13-15" of ice, it doesn't mean that all of the ice is that thick or strong.  Remember to be cautious!

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #7 on: Jan 31, 2015, 04:59 AM »
Clam sells a throw bag that has rope in it and would be a good investment.  The key to it is you have to be accurate with your throw, under hand is best - like you're throwing a bowling ball, and the person is above water.  If they are these work great since you don't have to get too close, just yell to them to hold the rope (the best thing is to have them wrap it around their back and hold both ends in front of them, then pull them out.  This is the first method we'd use with the fire department, second would be get something long, lay on the ice, slide it to them, have them hold onto it, and pull.  The last thing we'd do is send a guy out with a rescue suit on to go in the water with them.  No matter what we were doing we always have guys suiting up to go in just in case they had to go.  With any of these methods you have to communicate with the person in the water and try to get them to calm down  so they understand what you're going to do. 

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #8 on: Jan 31, 2015, 10:17 PM »
what Chris said is the best advise . while on ice I also wear a life vest to help make float, never been in water (hopefully never will) but another safety feature to think about>

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #9 on: Feb 01, 2015, 11:18 AM »
I always have my kayak throw bag with me all season long....so far I have never had to use it.

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #10 on: Feb 15, 2015, 11:13 AM »
Here is a great video...
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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #11 on: Feb 15, 2015, 11:25 AM »
I multi use my boat bumpers .. attach a rope and take it on the ice with me.. Never know when it might be needed..
  

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #12 on: Feb 16, 2015, 11:21 AM »
I flipped a Canoe in mid 40 Degree F weather in a quarry during college.  I knew how to right-side up the canoe, so I did that and got back in.  I gathered everything that didn't sink (I lost my tackle box) and rowed to shore.  This was before Pennsylvania created the cold weather life jacket rule.  I'm pretty sure I wasn't wearing one.  My friends had heard the commotion from around the corner and told me to go inside the trailer.  I was all fine and dandy until that point.  I changed my clothes and sat in front of a wood stove.  Then I went into a chill and my fingers started turning blue.  NOT a pleasant experience, just about going into shock.  If it would have been any worse the property owner would have dialed 911.  While ice fishing, I would STRONGLY suggest dialing 911 immediately.

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #13 on: Jun 28, 2015, 09:57 PM »
When I fell through, my buddies just asked, are you all right?
I said, no pull me up, I've fallen into someone's spear hole.
They were hesitant, cuz they didn't want to fall through.  I couldn't get out cuz my sled I was pulling behind my kind of slid forward and pinned me down from behind.  While my arms were holding my self on the edge of the ice.  Now they just laughed at me.  Yes add insult to injury.

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #14 on: Jan 28, 2016, 02:49 PM »
i thought about it,then i fell in, the air temps was close to 50 degrees i rescued myself went to car and changed and resumed gathering up my stuff :o note polar bear club jumps in 33 degree rivers all the time then stand around? who knows.
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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #15 on: Jan 28, 2016, 06:21 PM »
I would call 911 first because if you go in trying to help your both in trouble then I would get my 50' of rope out with a slipknot already tied in the end I'm throwing to them with a float (boat bumper attached to the loop) and throw it past them and try to pull it to them while yelling for help to get the attention of homeowners and other fisherman while trying to drag them to good ice then start to try getting them warm while checking them for speech and motor functions to let EMS know his current conditions to help them prepare to give him immediate medical when they arrived

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #16 on: Feb 03, 2016, 10:23 AM »
Yup first thing is call 911 no matter what. We saved a guy about 4 years ago. He went through and was hanging on the ice and had been in 20' of water for about 10 minutes before we could get to him crawling on our stomachs. I slid a sled to him and tied a long rope on it then once he got his arms and a shoulder hooked over the sled we crawled back onto safe ice and pulled him out. I had my AA flotation suit on which gave me a bit of courage and he wouldn't have made it if we waited for emergency people since we were in a rural area. It would have been hard to not try since he had just about exhausted himself trying to get out on his own.

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #17 on: Feb 22, 2016, 10:55 AM »
Someone here in VT went through in -20 last weekend on Champlain in his truck, made it out and got 100 yds. Search and rescue found him on the ice the next morning. Shock and hypothermia are the killers. Even after you are out the risk does not subside. You are wet and cold. That is why fishing alone is so dangerous.

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #18 on: Oct 12, 2016, 10:01 AM »
Always carry extra warm dry clothes with you

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Re: So, somebody "falls through"...
« Reply #19 on: Oct 12, 2016, 10:29 AM »
I fell in during the last trip of the season last year. Scary experience but after I was pulled out, I simply got into my hut where my heater was already blasting, stripped down to my underwear, and fished the day away while my clothes dried. 

 


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