this definately is tragic. my heartfelt thoughts and pryers go out to the family of the victims. teribble anytime but with the holidays coming it just saddens me. though i must disagree with the last quote in that article..."There is no such thing as safe ice," . im not really sure what he meant but i dont think an unecessary tragedy such as this should discourage people from using the ice. just too bad more people arent educated about ice conditions and ice safety.