I fished lake max with my father last week and fished near a couple that was using tipdowns. We were fishing near the beach. I am trying to get in touch with them to get some pics on the design that they used. I had a new toy on the ice so I was too busy trying it out to ask questions and get a better look. If you are member of iceshanty please sent me a pm, or if this describes someone that you know let me know. Thanks for any help in advance, PURDUEBASS