Braided lines...new braids

[slipperybob]

Up to now, we always think braided lines are of one material and that was all.

Even with Sufix Advance 832 using one strand of Gore fiber didn't really change that much.  So now...

YGK G-Soul OHDRAGON WX4 F1 SS140 Sinking Braided Line

What a long name.  Anyways reading from the description. Manufactured using four strands of PE braided line tightly wrapped around 100% (F1) Fluorocarbon, the YGK G-Soul OHDRAGON WX4 F1 SS140 Sinking Braided Line offers a specific gravity of 1.40

Four braid strands around a flourocarbon line.  I'm thinking ice fishing line.  How would it work out?

sample of 7.5# compared to .108 mm is about typical small 1# test monofilament.  18.5# compared to .191 mm diameter of typical thin 4# test ice line.


YGK G-Soul SS112 Sinking Braided Line

Just a slightly shorter name.  Composed of eight total strands, the YGK G-Soul SS112 Sinking Braided Line consists of 4 PE braided fibers and 4 Super Ester monofilaments

Interesting take. sample of 14# compared to .185 mm line diameter is about typical thin 4# on the ice lines.


These lines are not cheap.  They come with a price tag of $30 for a filler spool 150 m. Hey that's like the cost of an ice rod or reel...sometimes a full combo.

Think we're gonna see more broad term for braided fishing lines going forward.

[stripernut]

Interesting, I wonder why they went that root? Just to make it heavier than water? It is not going to add stretch ( unless they use a special weave that can elongate), not visibility, wrapped with braid. Knot Strength, that is more often about the knot tier...? Reading the add it is for its ability to sink... I would have gone with a coating that contains tungsten dust. Many braids are coated and I bet it would sink even better. If I did much finesse pan fishing I might give it a try, but what little I do is for catching bait. Cost-wise it is about what I pay for my Gliss line (not a line I use ice fishing), which is worth every penny. If you give it a try I look forward to a report and thanks for pointing out a new product.

[slipperybob]

After reading more into it.  It seems the F1 is their flourocarbon fishing line.

Carefully crafted in Japan using high-end F1 Fluorocarbon materials, the YGK G-Soul FC Tour Grade Fluorocarbon Line provides a premium blend of sensitivity and strength

5# test is at .19 mm so that's comparable to many other premium fluorocarbon lines too. 

I currently have Gamma Touch Fluorocarbon line.  5# test is at .19 mm diameter so that's very comparable according to box labeled specs.

[esox_xtm]

Not really new under the sun though. Way back Dupont/Stren produced a "co-filament" product, not to be confused with copolymer, that used a "co-extrusion" process to encase a low stretch polyester core with a convention nylon outer sheath. I also recall, but cannot recall the name, a braided product that had a plastic filament inside the braid to help maintain roundness for better knots.

I'd say this kinda defeats the low-viz properties of fluoro for some undetermined advantage. Right now it's a marketing hook and I'd bet it doesn't last more than two seasons.

[Seamonkey84]

I'd say this kinda defeats the low-viz properties of fluoro for some undetermined advantage. Right now it's a marketing hook and I'd bet it doesn't last more than two seasons.

Well if they used fluro to encapsulate the braid, it’ll shed water like floro, with the no stretch and thinner diameter of braid. But it sounds like it’s braid wrapped around floro just to add density and make it uniformly round.
Still looking for the perfect line for lake trout fishing out outside in below freezing temps. I rarely set up my shack.

[esox_xtm]

Well if they used fluro to encapsulate the braid, it’ll shed water like floro, with the no stretch and thinner diameter of braid. But it sounds like it’s braid wrapped around floro just to add density and make it uniformly round.
Still looking for the perfect line for lake trout fishing out outside in below freezing temps. I rarely set up my shack.

Ahhhhh... thing is the braid is still there on the outside pickin' up water. Uniformly round? Just choose a solid braid product that is coated to resist water pickup. This will not last. Trust me.

[Seamonkey84]

Ahhhhh... thing is the braid is still there on the outside pickin' up water. Uniformly round? Just choose a solid braid product that is coated to resist water pickup. This will not last. Trust me.

Trying to find some tufline supercast to try, but can’t find it locally and online seemed to have dried up. Last year someone said that most of it (and duracast ice) got shipped to the Canadian market.

[esox_xtm]

Most of my ice use is now into fused superline technology. Nanofil and Sufix Fuse (most recently) have been my choices. Both tend to pick up less water and lend themselves to water resistant treatments. Not familiar with your Tufline product but Western Filament (manufacturer) has been in business since the inception of superlines and would not discount their product.

[slipperybob]

Well for us ice fishing folks, we're last on the list for what they're marketing towards.  They'll make lines for the saltwater market then freshwater market.  When they try to make ice lines, it's just repackaged pony spools.

Well if they used fluro to encapsulate the braid, it’ll shed water like floro, with the no stretch and thinner diameter of braid. But it sounds like it’s braid wrapped around floro just to add density and make it uniformly round.
Still looking for the perfect line for lake trout fishing out outside in below freezing temps. I rarely set up my shack.

If they would just fluoro-coat the braid/pe fiber it would give us a really nice ice fishing line.

[slipperybob]

Remember the Rapala Titanium Stretch Braid or something?  It was made with two different types of strands.  I think it was Dacron and some PE fibers Dyneema.  Supposedly the combination of it made it stretched.  In reality the PE fibers would only stretch up to 4% so it cannot stretch any further than that.

It's like taking one strand of steel wire and one strand of nylon and supposedly the twin of the two gives it the stretch property between the two material.  If only science would work like that of marketing. 

[Seamonkey84]

Pefect line would be something like seaguar abrazix/invizix with a nanofil core. Something in a 4-6lb mono diameter equivalent, at about 10lb test, in 125-300yd spools. I can’t stand the 50yd pony spools, our lake trout are found 100ft and deeper.

[slipperybob]

Pefect line would be something like seaguar abrazix/invizix with a nanofil core. Something in a 4-6lb mono diameter equivalent, at about 10lb test, in 125-300yd spools. I can’t stand the 50yd pony spools, our lake trout are found 100ft and deeper.

I suspect the reason why they don't make that is...either they can and don't want to for profiteering or...they still can't.  What if the pe fibers are cutting through that material or it's just not bonding together.

[slipperybob]

Teflon is great for nonstick and very hydrophobic.  A long time ago when Spiderwire Stealth use to boast the teflon treated fibers, it was pretty good for fishing.  That is until I used it for ice fishing, well actually winter fishing.  The spring or fall temperatures that comes in right about 32 degrees and with casting and some breeze, that makes water droplets freeze.  One of the worst choices I've ever made for picking a line.  I got line guide freeze up faster than I had ever expected.  That alone was the least of my problem though.  I had the line freeze on my spool.  The problem with water and ice, is expansion.  It was soon to be found out later that my line on the spool started to expand to swell up to more than the spool capacity withing the hour of fishing.  During that process I had encounter some line cling on the spool while casting.  That was the first sign of trouble that I ignored as it's normal with freezing temps.  Over and over the frequency of it began to build up.  The spool, the line on it began to swell up with the ice on the spool.  Eventually I had to quit fishing as I got this big bulge of a line overrun on my spool now and frozen stiff.

I had to call it quits...skunked too.  Frozen stiff fingers and all too.  After about twenty four hours after the line had thawed out on the spool.  Terrible spool of a line, just mocking me.  Well now the ice had thawed and water have all evaporated, I see a poorly, loosely line bunch around the spool.  I learned my lesson.  Don't ever buy teflon treated braid and fish it in freezing conditions.  I swear I will never again Spiderwire Stealth braid...or maybe it was the teflon.

Well what's this new Spiderwire Stealth braid? with Fluoropolymer Treated microfibers? 

[slipperybob]

Spiderwire Stealth Smooth braid

I was looking at it, kept anticipating the release of it all summer long 2019.  Still haven't seen it in the retail stores.  Description goes, Coated with a thin layer of a highly durable, microcrystalline polymer for a thin diameter.

Interesting though the listed diameter for this 8 carrier braid seems to be a bit thicker.  Perhaps the added coating.  I want to see it in person first though.

10# at .22 mm
15# at .25 mm
20# at .27 mm

Compared to Stealth braid.

10# at .20 mm
15# at .21 mm
20# at .25 mm

Although I'm kind of looking more for an ice fishing diameter.  Stealth has

6# at .12 mm
8# at .17 mm