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Offline Mrpike1973

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Went out today with the wife she drilled 10 holes right in a row no problems but noticed it was slightly warm and smelled ever so slightly hot is this normal? Just nervous is all she's a trooper drilled 30 holes total.

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #1 on: Jan 18, 2018, 12:12 PM »
Not mine. Are your blades dull?

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #2 on: Jan 18, 2018, 12:21 PM »
Never noticed on mine as outside, all time

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #3 on: Jan 18, 2018, 12:28 PM »
might have a break-in period.

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #4 on: Jan 18, 2018, 12:29 PM »
Mine does when I drill a bunch in a row. Worries me too as I don’t know much about that stuff but still makes it through.

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #5 on: Jan 18, 2018, 12:35 PM »
Any chance that when drilling , the air intake and output vents on the end of the drill are being covered up by your hand?

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #6 on: Jan 18, 2018, 12:36 PM »
The smell could be dust in the motor, or could be a sign that it is starting to overheat.  Depends on what you are using for the auger - if its sharp or dull.  Lot of factors.  More torque on an undersized drill could lead to failure. 

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #7 on: Jan 18, 2018, 01:01 PM »
Hello all yep I was out felt good but my wrist hurts ouch. Anyway I called K drill today very friendly people bottom line is drill away but only drill 4-5 holes in 2 feet of ice let it cool for a short bit then drill a few more. When it smells or feels hot it is getting hot. Maybe not the answer I wanted but it's not a race out there. He said the power drills are good just not meant for 100% load for 10 holes in a row in 2 feet of ice makes sense. My wife loves the K Drill she even asked why I don't let her drill more? guess what she can drill all she want's. :clap:

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #8 on: Jan 18, 2018, 01:11 PM »
Good to hear.  Just make sure that the drill is in the drill position and setting 1.  Sounds like you are in business!  Yah - that K Drill can be a lot of fun to play with. 
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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #9 on: Jan 18, 2018, 02:10 PM »
Not that this is really pertinent to your question/issue, but I bought a $5 bubble level and stuck it on my Clam Plate with double sided tape to help me get the hole started straight.  I switched to using velcro squares to attach it so I could switch it between the Clam Plate and the Mud Mixer.  It goes on the bottom of the battery when I use the Mud Mixer.  A good straight perpendicular hole will help prevent binding of the auger, especially when drilling through thicker ice.  It will also help with a crooked ice hole interfering with your transducer's beam in thicker ice.

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #10 on: Jan 18, 2018, 02:19 PM »
Went out today with the wife she drilled 10 holes right in a row no problems but noticed it was slightly warm and smelled ever so slightly hot is this normal? Just nervous is all she's a trooper drilled 30 holes total.

First things first...what size auger/type and what Milwaukee drill are you using.

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #11 on: Jan 18, 2018, 02:35 PM »
First off I’m going to say that I don’t own a k-drill. I use an 8” Lazer with a clam plate. Also, this is my first year using a drill setup and owning a high-end drill.

One thing I’ve noticed in almost all electric drill ice auger videos is that people just go full bore on the trigger. More often than not, what i see, is a whole lot of spinning and not a lot of ice cutting. Sure, it still cuts a hole but, it’s not a very efficient use of the tool. With drill setups, I can not stress enough the need to go slow and steady. Be the turtle, not the hare. A proper, slower, RPM will not only bite more ice with each rotation but it will also create less stress on your tool. If anyone knows a little about machine shop, think of it as no different than your feeds and speeds. If one could actually utilize a drill auger setup at full bore rpm speeds, it would FLY through two feet of ice. Literally about a second or two. Especially considering Milwaukee’s high torque. That’s how guys are snapping their wrists using these things. Hauling butt on the trigger, just spinning the hell out of the auger bit and when 1200lbs of torque actually finds something to properly grip at that high of an RPM....there goes mister wrist bones. Our drills also have little “mister wrist bones”. There was a recent topic on here about a gentlemen that accidentally purchased the lower torque (500lbs I belive) Milwaukee’s and was drilling holes with the clam plate. I belive it took roughly a dozen holes to snap the chuck off of from the drill housing. That took a lot of force whether or not we as the user could physically feel that force. The drill definitly did.

What I’m getting at is these drill setups take an immense amount of abuse even when used as properly as we, the angler, can use them. Just the act of drilling an 8” hole through 12” of ice is an incredible feat for a hand held, battery operated, drill. We are stressing our drills every time we cut a hole whether or not the specs can handle it or not. The way the drill handles that stress can happen in many ways. One way mine did, and many others have experienced, is the weak housing area for the auxiliary handle clamp. It took about 20 holes for mine to fault. If the physical aspect of the drill (chuck, gears, housing, etc) are structurally sound, the next place to fault will be the electrical side. There’s no doubt in my mind that when we drill holes that the electrics are also affected by all of the stress. There has to be a “weak link” somewhere. I think a lot of issues people are having (minus the crap clamping area for the handle on the newer models...) could be solved by just going easy on the trigger and letting the drill/auger do there intended job. I don’t go any farther than half way on the trigger. I don’t care if it takes an extra second or two. It bites more ice and utilizes more torque by going slower resulting in a more efficient use of the setup. We don’t need 1200lbs of torque to drill ice. We need 1200lbs of torque so our drills don’t break under the load of cutting an 8” hole. It has nothing to do with actually cutting a hole.

Also, don’t forget that with drill setups, power means electricity and that 1200lbs of torque first has to run through thin diameter wires to relitively tiny motors to several pound auger bits and that’s all before it ever sees ice. I’m sure there’s a circuit board in there somewhere too. That takes a lot of energy that can sometimes escape through heat from stressed motors and wires instead of through torque.

I’d take k-drills advice and limit your holes to no more than 5 with 2’ of ice. By the time you fish those holes you should be good to go again.
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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #12 on: Jan 18, 2018, 02:43 PM »
Also in regards to the KDrill specifically...

It plainly says in the instructions to clear out your hole every few inches.   That excess ice/snow/slush will bog it down.  Just pull the drill up and clear it out.  No different than boring a hole with an augur bit in a thick piece of wood.   

This is a very important step to remember.  Aslo it's a compounding factor, so in other words, the deeper the ice, the worse it gets if you don't clear it.  As long as you keep clearing it and you have a long enough bit, it doesn't matter if the ice is 12ft thick.   

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #13 on: Jan 18, 2018, 05:35 PM »
Great advice and replies. I even called Milwaukee tools they said the same thing. Nice and easy take the shavings out. I have the 6 inch drill and believe the drill is 2703-20 it's what I bought from K drill. By the way great video Dtro on the K Drill. The plumb level sounds great I will try it do you get them at a hardware store.

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #14 on: Jan 18, 2018, 08:46 PM »
My drill a Ryobi gets the smell and warms up to. I wouldn't get worried over it. It's normal for that to happen under heavy use. The smell is more noticeable due to the frigid air temperature. ;) :tipup: ;)
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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #15 on: Jan 18, 2018, 09:42 PM »
I have owned and run electrical drill ice auger for 5 years now, Lazer and Kdrill.  Back then most will laugh at you if you were using an electric drill for ice drilling.

Despite what is being said on this thread for recommendation,  I always go full throttle to keep the auger spinning and cutting at optimum.  Slowing or throttling may also have ill effects such as causing binding and jam cause ice chips arent being thrown dissipated.  It could also be working your drill harder as the slower you turn the auger the harder or more torque it has to use to keep going.

I have used my Milwaukee to the point where you can’t touch it, it’s burning hot drilling 30-50 holes continuously with the 6” auger or 20-30 holes with the 8”.  I will drill up to 2000 holes or more an ice season.  I owned both the 1st gen Milwaukee m18 fuel 2604 and the 2nd gen 2704.   If it’s gonna overload or overheat the safety will trigger.  I rarely run into the safety triggering.  And at $90 for a bare tool if it does ever fail I will just buy a new one.

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #16 on: Jan 19, 2018, 12:39 PM »
First off I’m going to say that I don’t own a k-drill. I use an 8” Lazer with a clam plate. Also, this is my first year using a drill setup and owning a high-end drill.

One thing I’ve noticed in almost all electric drill ice auger videos is that people just go full bore on the trigger. More often than not, what i see, is a whole lot of spinning and not a lot of ice cutting. Sure, it still cuts a hole but, it’s not a very efficient use of the tool. With drill setups, I can not stress enough the need to go slow and steady. Be the turtle, not the hare. A proper, slower, RPM will not only bite more ice with each rotation but it will also create less stress on your tool. If anyone knows a little about machine shop, think of it as no different than your feeds and speeds. If one could actually utilize a drill auger setup at full bore rpm speeds, it would FLY through two feet of ice. Literally about a second or two. Especially considering Milwaukee’s high torque. That’s how guys are snapping their wrists using these things. Hauling butt on the trigger, just spinning the hell out of the auger bit and when 1200lbs of torque actually finds something to properly grip at that high of an RPM....there goes mister wrist bones. Our drills also have little “mister wrist bones”. There was a recent topic on here about a gentlemen that accidentally purchased the lower torque (500lbs I belive) Milwaukee’s and was drilling holes with the clam plate. I belive it took roughly a dozen holes to snap the chuck off of from the drill housing. That took a lot of force whether or not we as the user could physically feel that force. The drill definitly did.

What I’m getting at is these drill setups take an immense amount of abuse even when used as properly as we, the angler, can use them. Just the act of drilling an 8” hole through 12” of ice is an incredible feat for a hand held, battery operated, drill. We are stressing our drills every time we cut a hole whether or not the specs can handle it or not. The way the drill handles that stress can happen in many ways. One way mine did, and many others have experienced, is the weak housing area for the auxiliary handle clamp. It took about 20 holes for mine to fault. If the physical aspect of the drill (chuck, gears, housing, etc) are structurally sound, the next place to fault will be the electrical side. There’s no doubt in my mind that when we drill holes that the electrics are also affected by all of the stress. There has to be a “weak link” somewhere. I think a lot of issues people are having (minus the crap clamping area for the handle on the newer models...) could be solved by just going easy on the trigger and letting the drill/auger do there intended job. I don’t go any farther than half way on the trigger. I don’t care if it takes an extra second or two. It bites more ice and utilizes more torque by going slower resulting in a more efficient use of the setup. We don’t need 1200lbs of torque to drill ice. We need 1200lbs of torque so our drills don’t break under the load of cutting an 8” hole. It has nothing to do with actually cutting a hole.

Also, don’t forget that with drill setups, power means electricity and that 1200lbs of torque first has to run through thin diameter wires to relitively tiny motors to several pound auger bits and that’s all before it ever sees ice. I’m sure there’s a circuit board in there somewhere too. That takes a lot of energy that can sometimes escape through heat from stressed motors and wires instead of through torque.

I’d take k-drills advice and limit your holes to no more than 5 with 2’ of ice. By the time you fish those holes you should be good to go again.

The K-drill manual says to pull the trigger fully, that's how it is built to work, it is completely different than your Lazer set-up.  My side handle is still intact after hundreds of holes with an 8 inch k drill.

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #17 on: Jan 19, 2018, 12:48 PM »
I don't think anyone has thought or at least mentioned it...

If your drill is hot to the point of smelling, you should stop drilling (obviously) but continue to run it without a load for a bit to disperse the heat, the drill will cool itself off with the integrated cooling fan.. Don't just stop and let it cook lol..

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #18 on: Jan 19, 2018, 03:40 PM »
If you are smelling a strong odor for any length of time you are probably overloading the tool.  Or you have a fault in the motor winding.  In either case it won't be long until the magic smoke escapes and the tool is junk.  If it's a winding fault there's nothing you can do.  If it's overloading back off, don't make the tool do what it can't.  And sharp blades are your friend here.  Maybe give it some time to cool down a little too.  Remember, for every 18 °F (10 C) you exceed the temperature rating of the insulation you half the life of the tool.  Every time.  So you can run it hot.  But that smell is dollar bills burnin'...
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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #19 on: Jan 27, 2018, 12:23 PM »
The K-drill manual says to pull the trigger fully, that's how it is built to work, it is completely different than your Lazer set-up.  My side handle is still intact after hundreds of holes with an 8 inch k drill.

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #20 on: Jan 27, 2018, 10:20 PM »
You don't "half trigger" the drill. Full power all the way.

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #21 on: Jan 28, 2018, 07:43 AM »
You don't "half trigger" the drill. Full power all the way.
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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #22 on: Jan 28, 2018, 12:01 PM »
i have a brushless that does not and a brushed version same drill that always smells and gets hot when it gets going. is your brushless?

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #23 on: Jan 28, 2018, 03:13 PM »
Without knowing the circuitry of the drill, I can't be sure, but the way you reduce the speed of a DC electric motor is by limiting the voltage to the windings. The way you do that could be either with series resistance, or with an electronic chopper drive. In either case, the slower you go, the more power is spent in the control circuit, and the hotter is will get. This can be a large or a small loss, depending on the circuitry. It also takes longer to drill a hole at low speed, so net more energy is dissipated in the drill.
Using a hand auger and a drill adapter results in the auger spinning faster than it was designed for- Nils goes so far as to offer 2 grinds- one for drill use, and a heavier bite for hand turning.
I have used a Rigid brushless drill for 3 years now, and either a 4.5 inch Nils or 5 inch Mora auger. Always max speed. Never smells, and I can drill over 80 feet of ice on 1 4 Ah battery.
Brushed motors have always had a smell, since there is an arc at the commutator, and the current is higher the higher you load the drill. This eventually wears out the brushes, and you replace them. The efficiency is lower, so I would be looking to upgrade if you have one of these old ones.
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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #24 on: Jan 28, 2018, 04:44 PM »
Most if not all  brush-less tool motors are actually 3 phase ac motors.

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Re: do Milwaukee drills feel warm smell hot when drilling?
« Reply #25 on: Jan 28, 2018, 07:14 PM »
whitefishment:  No, most brushless motors are not 3 phase.  Industries and commercial buildings use three phase systems.  You can't operate a 3 phase motor on a single phase system.  It just buzzes for a while then catches on fire. 

Batteries and DC tools have polarities, not phases.

Brushed DC motors require a commutator to switch winding polarity so the torque is always applied in the direction of rotation.  The hot set up in the 21st Century is a "brushless" DC motor where the commutation is done electronically. 

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