i managed to shake off the cob webs yesterday from a few days of heavy drinking. made it all the way up into noble county. nada. just couldnt find them. ice was good was going to go back today but all the rain we had made me think twice. by the way jiggingstick, i drove by your "cisco" hotspot...would you believe it was elbow to elbow out there right off the boat ramp? hell i should have fished there!!!