This is the age ole question Chris! many do not have the answer and have spent thousands trying to figure it out. Just remember, Alcova's GOT THE biggest average walleye in the rocky mountain region according to G&F studies and sampling. They are there, but gotta jig them up at the right place at the right time. Its just a persistance thingy. PATHFINDER HAS NONE SO QUIT SERCHING! Until the ice is gone babby gone. lol