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Title: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 05:02 AM
Who's lived in their shanty for a weekend?  What did you do right?  What could you have done better?   How cold was it?

Im going to stay on the ice all weekend.  Bringing a cot and cold weather bag.  Just curious whos done it and how it went!

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: VTMatt on Jan 18, 2016, 06:08 AM
Good thread here. I would be concerned about proper ventilation and heating if it's very cold.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bigstorm on Jan 18, 2016, 07:37 AM
I've stayed in a sleeper house on LOTW before, that was good time. Stayed plenty warm and didn't really work about ventilation much since those are super air tight
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: fish/hunt4ever on Jan 18, 2016, 07:44 AM
Some stay in their shanties all the time but the time I and the wife tried to stay in the shanty one night we did not have enough ventilation and the heating buddy would turn off with the low oxygen sensor.  Then we moved the shanty over on dry land and got a little ventilation going and it kept the heater going and then could sleep for a time.  Had my flip over to fish in this was the hub style we were sleeping in.  Just have a good floor or tarp below your bed to keep the warmth under you as well, I think this would have helped instead of the cold ice cooling everything off when the heater went out. Good luck I will stick to the camper on shore to stay warm and sleep in and the shanty to fish out of.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: RedShantyMi on Jan 18, 2016, 07:47 AM
Camped on the ice many times. We used a tent. Put down straw and covered it with a plastic tarp. We used comforted on the floor. Add a propane heater and u are all set. We found sleeping on the floor was warmer than cots
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 08:09 AM
I will be going this weekend to Champlain to do this.  Will be on the ice Saturday-Sunday.  Low of 9 is forecasted.  Bringing a cot and 0 degree mummy bag.  I have half inch thick interlocking foam mat for the floor.  Also bringing the otter to fish with.

Was wondering about the heat and ventilation.  I have a buddy heater but my friends have said sleep in the bag no heat.  I see some merit to doing that.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: vtbuckrulrss on Jan 18, 2016, 08:30 AM
Last I knew, there was a guy that rented shanty's equipped for spending the night on the ice in the Alburgh/Swanton area.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 08:42 AM
Last I knew, there was a guy that rented shanty's equipped for spending the night on the ice in the Alburgh/Swanton area.

Yes I know, however for funs sake we are not going that route.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: northernnyice on Jan 18, 2016, 08:44 AM
Who's lived in their shanty for a weekend?  What did you do right?  What could you have done better?   How cold was it?

Im going to stay on the ice all weekend.  Bringing a cot and cold weather bag.  Just curious whos done it and how it went!

Thanks guys.


We do it every year. We just did it this last weekend in fact, Jan 15-17... 8x8 insulated hub shelter. Cot would be great for 1 guy. Not so much for more, unless you had a bigger shelter. We use comfortable camp style fold out chairs to relax/catch some z's in... I never get good rest when we stay on the ice anyway.. 4 hrs on and off.. We keep the heat rolling on low with the vents cracked. Still alive after doing this a bunch of times. Bring extra socks, extra gloves, extra hat, anything that could get wet easily. The socks are big for me. Feet sweat, switch socks, nice and dry. The interlock mats arnt a bad idea, you will prob still end up with a wet sloppy mess if you run heat, it is almost inevitable..
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: SnoHam13 on Jan 18, 2016, 09:11 AM
vented heater is the only way Id go
might not wake up in the Am. other wise.
kinda like playing roulette [only have to be wrong once]

the old pop up was designed for over nighting
bunk on each side with a spearing hole in the middle
up off the ice with a insert to seal the spearing hole to the pop up
vented heater kept us warm all night/day,it was salvaged out of a apachie trailer

SnoHam13
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Yooperhoy on Jan 18, 2016, 09:24 AM
A buddy and I did this a few years back. The heater did turn off due to ventilation. You could see it by using a lighter, the lighter would stay lit until you brought it down to about 10 inches above the ice and then the flame would die.  As much as I didn't want the big side of the shanty against the wind it probably would have beneficial to have that much more air moving through.  We were using the clam 10 man shanty. I ended up using the fan on my hanging light on the back door of the shanty to see if I could pull some air through.  If you can put a small wood stove you would be better off. Also a piece of carpet under your cot will help keep the cold from coming in the bottom of the sleeping bag. Also keep hydrated we both got bad leg cramps, we had too much beer not enough water lol. Another quick trick we did was buy some space blankets and hung them up in our sleeping area to help hold the heat in and cold out. It seemed to help.
Hope this helped. Have fun, stay warm
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 09:31 AM
Great responses guys I appreciate it.  I am pretty sure I am going to sleep in the bag without heat.  If I sleep at all! The area we are fishing has eyes so I may jig all night.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: kevinmaine3 on Jan 18, 2016, 09:36 AM
I think I would sleep alot better with just a good bag than having the propane heater going.. I've slept in my shack alot, but it also has a woodstove.
Have fun!!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: staggerin on Jan 18, 2016, 09:42 AM
I've slept in my otter lodge. I used my big buddy on low setting, with the bottom of the door open and both vents. Plenty of o2 for me and the fire.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: DR.SPECKLER on Jan 18, 2016, 09:43 AM
maybe not this year but I plan on trying camping on ice now that I got a polarbird hub shanty that's fully insulated and has a floor.i don't sleep good anyway might as well be out on the ice for a full day  and night.im thinking cot, buddy heater with 20 lb tank with ventilation of course and a good sleeping bag.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 09:49 AM
Im bringing my xt650 but sadly its too small to sleep in!  I am going to rely on a cabelas 6x8 to sleep in.  Only time I had trouble keeping it warm in there was in -10 degrees.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lynng on Jan 18, 2016, 10:02 AM
You should read these two threads and buy a good CO detector.

http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=286299.msg2978608#msg2978608 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=286299.msg2978608#msg2978608)

http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=301624.msg3166862#msg3166862 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=301624.msg3166862#msg3166862)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Whopper Stopper on Jan 18, 2016, 11:08 AM
Excellent post lynng :thumbsup:

Thanks for sharing your findings. I hope everyone takes the time to read the links. Even if not for this trip, for anyone contemplating another outing utilizing a heater.

               WS
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 12:08 PM
You should read these two threads and buy a good CO detector.

http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=286299.msg2978608#msg2978608 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=286299.msg2978608#msg2978608)

http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=301624.msg3166862#msg3166862 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=301624.msg3166862#msg3166862)

Good reads but I am aware and decided that I wont be using heat while I sleep just a good ole cold weather bag for the reasons listed in those threads.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nightbird on Jan 18, 2016, 01:20 PM
A piece of Reflectix, or even a space blanket, under your bag makes a huge difference in warmth.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: doctorgee on Jan 18, 2016, 01:57 PM
Yep, no heat. I'm an old mounteering guy and have bivouacked at -17F on top of a mountain. We carried everything in a backpack and no heat. Easy things to help you and this is from a NOLS course I took (National Outdoor Leadership School):

1: A closed cell air mattress like a Thermorest is lifesaving. Way better than a cot. We just slept on the snow using a quality closed cell foam air matress. Not a Coleman mattress- closed cell foam core.

2. Have a complete separate set of long underwear to sleep in. In my NOLS course they taught me to sleep in nothing more than long underwear, no matter how cold it is, and they are right. People make the mistake of putting on a bunch of clothes inside the bag and they either wake up drenched in sweat or the clothes take up all the air space in the bag and you can't heat it up. Insulation is all based on the same principle- trapped air. If you pack your sleeping bag with too much clothes you reduce the effectiveness of the insulation in your bag.

3. Change into EVERYTHING new right before bed. No matter how dry you think your clothes are, they aren't. Do everything strenuous you need to do for the night then change everything including socks. Again, sleep in nothing more than good, ploy/synthetic long underwear (I know, people don't understand this until you do it). Wear a warm hat to bed.

4. If you need to pee while in your sleeping bag, just get up and do it. Do not sit there resisting the need to get up. Having a bladder full of liquid reduces your core temp drastically and can actually make you sweat due to physical stress. Get it over with and get back to sleep.

5. Don't let anyone tell you to sleep with a big jug of hot water in your sleeping bag. I'm not even going to tear this one apart, JUST DON'T DO THAT. EVER.

I could go on, but I won't, those are the basics! Have fun!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 02:03 PM
Thanks Doctor Gee, one of my fishing buddys Ctown has done the NOLS course...your post is most appreciated!  (I will updaye this thread with the good bad and ugly from our trip)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Jan 18, 2016, 02:08 PM
Looking forward to the good the bad and the ugly!  I want to do an overnight later in the season.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: adkRoy on Jan 18, 2016, 02:12 PM
One thing you are definitely going to want to do that I have not seen mentioned is set up a bunch of reflectors or some lanterns outside the shanty so you don't get run over by snowmobilers.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: doctorgee on Jan 18, 2016, 02:20 PM
Does anyone know the legality of sleeping in a portable shanty overnight? It's legal in NH, right?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 02:37 PM
One thing you are definitely going to want to do that I have not seen mentioned is set up a bunch of reflectors or some lanterns outside the shanty so you don't get run over by snowmobilers.

The spot we are fishing if they hit us they are going to die either going though the alburg channel (ice may still be thin) and or hit the bridge!  However thats a good point and I will mark our site effectively.

As far as the legality goes I do not care...if it were illegal I would still do it...don't need the big man holding me down in that regard.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 18, 2016, 04:08 PM
I say if'n yer gonna camp on the ice................... .................go big or go home!!!!  ;D
Our camp on this trip was 100 miles from town by snowmobile on the East arm of Great Slave Lake.

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The pop up was the washroom. :)

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All the comforts of home including the wood stove.

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Fishin' was OK too!!!  @)

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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 04:26 PM
Man!  I need to camp with you guys!  Well done!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jammer icecube on Jan 18, 2016, 04:29 PM
Drifter you win!!!! Jon have fun and be safe......get on fish.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 05:40 PM
Drifter you win!!!! Jon have fun and be safe......get on fish.

Thanks man, I am going to try on both fronts.  I look forward to sharing both the mistakes and successes!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: sra61 on Jan 18, 2016, 06:01 PM
I have a 6x12 wheelhouse and put a CO detector in and left the big buddy on medium for a couple of hours to see if the detector would go off, and it never did. I have a lot better feeling about it this year with the detector in there.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 07:36 PM
Based off everyones valuable advice we've procured the CO detectors anyways.  I still don't plan on using heat but there are days where I do all day so at least now I'll be safe. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Whopper Stopper on Jan 18, 2016, 08:08 PM
Based off everyones valuable advice we've procured the CO detectors anyways.  I still don't plan on using heat but there are days where I do all day so at least now I'll be safe.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Glad to hear it.

      WS
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Dean Nelson on Jan 18, 2016, 09:26 PM
Well if we needed a reminder on this subject here you go!

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/2016/01/18/fisherman-dead-suspected-carbon-monoxide-poisoning/78970314/  (http://www.kare11.com/story/news/2016/01/18/fisherman-dead-suspected-carbon-monoxide-poisoning/78970314/)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: burck17 on Jan 18, 2016, 09:38 PM
These topics come up a lot and I always recommend taking the time to shovel a large snow wall up wind to serve as a wind block... It will help you significantly. However if you don't have snow it won't help obviously
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: sra61 on Jan 18, 2016, 10:01 PM
Based off everyones valuable advice we've procured the CO detectors anyways.  I still don't plan on using heat but there are days where I do all day so at least now I'll be safe.
I think I paid $15 for mine at Home Depot! Pretty cheap insurance I think.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 19, 2016, 09:15 AM
I think I paid $15 for mine at Home Depot! Pretty cheap insurance I think.

Ya it is...I spend enough time in the shanty to want to bring one all the time.   I am going to use velcro to mount ine to my otter, the other will sit in a pocket of the hub shanty.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: panfishman13 on Jan 19, 2016, 11:17 AM
i've slept out in a hub shanty a couple of times, it's really quite easy and comfortable when you treat it like sleeping in a snow shelter.

1. you're gonna want a tarp or flooring of some sort to put your stuff on so it doesn't get soaked.

2. for sleeping gear, you're going to want a cot, a sub-zero sleeping bag and at least one blanket, and a thick foam camping pad. the cot gets you up off the ice, which will keep you much warmer, the heavy pad insulates your body from the cold air underneath the cot, and the sub-zero bag and blanket should be self-explanatory. bring extra blankets if you think you'll need them.

3. a heater and a lantern. in most decent hub shanties, a lantern is more than enough to keep you warm while fishing. but if you want to stay warm all night, you're going to want the heater. just have the lantern on the entire time you're awake (be sure to properly ventilate, open windows a little bit, etc.) but turn on the heater any time you get cold, as well as for about a half hour before you go to sleep. don't try and leave the heater running while you're sleeping, it's just asking for trouble. (trust me, you'll stay warm enough with section 2)

4. milk crates or 5 gallon buckets. this is all about organization. it's no fun to sleep on the ice if your stuff is scattered all over the floor of the shelter and you can't find it. put the lantern on an upturned bucket, and the heater on the floor next to it. use the milk crate as a bedside table that you can shift under the cot if need be. keep your flashlight, pliers, lighter, and anything else you might make use of there.

5. if you intend to fish in your shelter before you sleep (i don't know why anyone wouldn't) you're going to want a board or two to cover the holes in the ice while you sleep. in the morning, this will also provide you with a nice surface to set a small campstove on to cook breakfast.

6. get set up long before dark. setting up camp in the dark is nothing less than tedious work, even more so when it's cold.

7. disposable hand warmers. put a couple of the jumbo ones in the foot of your sleeping bag, you won't get cold feet.

8. a hand towel. staying dry is key to staying warm, a towel to dry your hands on on is absolutely indispensible.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ethoma1 on Jan 19, 2016, 11:22 AM
I just did what you're talking about, but only 1 night.  Used my kid's foam floor mats (interlocking) instead of the cot.  I also had a Clam Bigfoot 4000, so I could lay along one wall.  I was on Red Lake in northern MN, heavy winds and deep cold.  But, the shelter and a buddy heater kept me comfortable the whole time!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 19, 2016, 12:16 PM
Thanks for the continued input guys, I am sure many are getting some valuable insight from this thread!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 19, 2016, 02:28 PM
Who's lived in their shanty for a weekend?  What did you do right?  What could you have done better?   How cold was it?

I'm going to stay on the ice all weekend.  Bringing a cot and cold weather bag.  Just curious who's done it and how it went!

Thanks guys.

We did our first-ever overnight on Dec 28-29, at Henry's Lake in Island Park, ID.  I went with IS member ammondude, who is my adult son.

We arrived at about 1:00 p.m. and after checking out two areas, we headed to our selected area to set up camp.  Upon arrival, the temp was about 6 degrees F with winds light and variable.

For our first attempt, we chose a location was a quick snowmobile ride to a restroom and/or the SUV.  After the initial unload, it took four more shuttle runs with the Jet Sled Jr. to get all our equipment onto the ice.

We planned to sleep and fish in our Eskimo QF6.  Here's our camp:

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In spite of the decent snow load on the ice (and thus potential for overflow), we drilled three holes in a corner of the shelter, two for jigging and one for the camera.

For sleeping, we were trying out a brand new set of Cam-O-Cot bunk beds, size L.  Yes, that's a bunk bed cot, purchased for this very purpose.

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On my level of the cot was a Thermarest Camp Rest mattress, a three-inch urethane foam pad, a zero-degree cotton duck bag, and a zero-degree mummy bag.  Ammondude had the same setup, but his Thermarest was an original, his mummy was 20-degree, and he added a fleece liner.  I used a full-size pillow and he used a camping pillow.

With camp set up, our attention turned to fishing and dinner.  Smoked beef brisket and sauce reheated in a freezer bag, in a pot of water over the Sterno stove, was placed on some onion rolls for a substantial main course that worked out very well.  Then some Tang mixed into the hot water for a beverage.

Had some fun jigging and at about 9:30 p.m. the ammondude ices this 3 lb. 15 oz. cutt:

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(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevelarsen.com%2Fice_shanty%2FHL15C.jpg&hash=7c052caf7700491a14789a4e4ec92ff0)

A four pound fish flopping around in tight quarters makes for some excellent pandemonium!  In the pic above you can see the bunk beds in the background waiting for us.

As the sun had gone down a breeze had kicked up to about 10 mph.  With the eventual temp that night about -10F, that is a -30F windchill.   Our heat source was a Mr. Heater portable buddy.  In the pic with the cutt you can see a small patch of defrosted shelter above the heater.  Until the next afternoon, that was as much of the shelter as got defrosted.  The rest just continually built up a solid layer of frost. 

At one point that evening we each took a turn to warm up our toes at the heater.  It was a real life saver.  Should have put some Toasti-Toes on to begin with.  We managed our body temp well, but agreed that a little more heat would have been nice, especially in case of emergency.

At bedtime, we each made sure that our stomach was full and our bladder was empty.  We changed into completely new clothing to go to bed: Underwear, jammies, sweats, socks, beanie, scarf.  Even though we had a CO detector, etc. we decided to use the heater only if needed.  We turned it off and went to bed.  It never came back on all night.

We had left two in-shelter rigs in the water at bedtime.  At 3:30 a.m. a fish hit one of our rigs and the ammondude woke me up but it was gone and we never figured out which one it had bitten.  Other than that interruption, I slept very well for about 8 hours.  I can't stay up all night like some of you guys and still drive home safely.

The alarm went off about 7:00.  There we are at a trophy trout fishery, on the ice, with the auger only feet away, and I was so warm it still took me 15 minutes to get out of bed.  At -10F, getting dressed in front of the heater was a real pleasure.  And we didn't burn any clothing.

Most of the food was in an Igloo Island Breeze cooler with a 2 liter bottle of water.  Cold breakfast included boiled eggs, grilled ham, Fruision drinks, etc.   Nothing was frozen that had been in the cooler.  Everything was frozen that didn't fit into the cooler.

A slow fishing day produced a four pound brookie:

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and another nice cutt:

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It's like 3 degrees F but the ammondude peels off layers to get a good Rapala pic.   ;D

Lunch was stew from the Sterno and hearty bread.

When the shelter warmed up in the afternoon, it was quite the indoor rainstorm.  The fishing towels were a little outsized by the rain.  This would have been problematic if we were staying a second night.

After running the heater about 8 hours total, the max reading on the CO detector was still ZERO PPM.  Amazing.

By 4:00 p.m. we had made four more shuttle runs, were packed up and ready to head home, at 6 deg F:

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Now to your questions.

Did Right:

Sleeping system was A+.  Down to -10F and no need for the heater.  We both got a little extra warm by morning.
Snowmobile was a must.
Food was great.
Cooler with 2L water in it kept stuff from freezing.
Good old Thermos brand thermos kept water unfrozen the whole time.
Harbor freight cheap interlocking floor panels were AWESOME.  Especially for changing clothes.
Glad we had the CO detector.
We love our Cabela's Ice Angler and Guidewear Extreme clothing.

To do Better Next Time

Take two snow machines.  More gear per trip and a backup plan in an emergency.  We'll be further from the road next time.
More cargo space.  The selected solution is Jet Sled XL with cover and HD hitch, x2.  Watching end-of-season sales.
More cooler space.  A second Igloo has been purchased.
More heat capability.  Big Buddy heater and 11-lb cylinder are on the way.
Bunk bed extensions already purchased (more space between the bunks).  The ammondude couldn't even roll over in the night without bumping the old man on top.  They should be standard equipment on those beds.  Don't buy a set without them.
Bigger wipe-the-wall towels.  Not engaging in the insulated vs. not discussion here.  Suffice it to say that we choose 2 lbs. of towel over 15 lbs of insulation.
Still discussing at-the-camp restroom options.  Not engaging in that discussion here, either.

Our camp was not mobile.  I know Prospector and others have excellent mobile overnight setups, but this is a good method for us.

YMMV.  Ammondude might have additional input.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bowski76 on Jan 19, 2016, 02:43 PM
Wow! Looks like a lot of fun AND a lot of work!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jon ny on Jan 19, 2016, 04:45 PM
Wish I saw this earlier from you.  Did a weekend on Carmi.  It was probably the most fun trip I ever did.  Made up for the slow fishing.  The one thing I did wrong was I didn't have a heater at the time.  It sure was cold climbing from sleeping bag into the ice suit.  Oh, and I used one of those fold in half clam shelters.  I forget the model.  But it was about 6" short for my legs and the rubber seam from where it folded in half was in my back all night.

I'll send pics if I can find them.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: prospector on Jan 19, 2016, 05:09 PM
Best post ever!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Crane Man on Jan 19, 2016, 05:48 PM
Great story new to the sport sounds like something I would like
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Loso015 on Jan 19, 2016, 06:11 PM
Awesome. Probably have me going no heat at night now. And I was questioning a cooler...but not anymore!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: perch bait on Jan 19, 2016, 06:51 PM
Awesome!! I never would've thought of sleeping in a Pop-Up!! Awesome story.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 19, 2016, 07:18 PM
Guys again much appreciation for the input...soaking it all in.

FG Steve outstanding post, it takes time to put a post together like that, thank you!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: curt69 on Jan 19, 2016, 07:36 PM
Great report , thanks for sharing . There is a good video on youtube . Henry's Lake 2015 December 26 .
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ItWasThiiiiisBig on Jan 19, 2016, 07:39 PM
I have never been out on the ice overnight. I bet it would be fun tho
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 20, 2016, 07:10 AM
Great report , thanks for sharing . There is a good video on youtube . Henry's Lake 2015 December 26 .

Will check it out, thanks.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FlamDragger on Jan 20, 2016, 02:54 PM
Excellent report!  I think that was one of the better posts I've read here.  I learned alot! Thanks!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: waltman on Jan 20, 2016, 03:02 PM
great post your guys rock
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: wyogator on Jan 20, 2016, 07:20 PM
I tried this in a Quickfish 6 during a tournament last year.  I slept on a cot with a 0 degree bag and a Thermarest pad.  I had a portable buddy heater with good ventilation.  The heater never did get that hub warm enough,  although it was okay once I was in my bag.  I woke up in the middle of the night with a massive headache.  The heater was out and everything was covered in frost.  I grabbed my bag and pillow, hiked 300 yards to the SUV and slept in it while turning the engine on and off all night for heat.  The next morning the headache was worse and I was throwing up.  I just left everything on the lake, drove home and went to bed.  I slept all day, drove back to the lake that night to pull my tipups and retrieve my gear.  It had snowed that day and I could barely pull the Otter sled off of the ice, not to mention that I was still sick, weak and tired.  needless to say, I had a few walleye on the tipups, but didn't win anything.  I will never do that again, unless it is warmer and I don't need a heater, or I have a set up with a vented heater.  Stay safe!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 20, 2016, 07:34 PM
Man that sounds awefully like the symptoms of CO poisoning to a T.  Glad you are ok. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: wyogator on Jan 20, 2016, 07:58 PM
I am pretty sure it was co poisoning, Iowa.  At first I thought it may have been the flu.  Thank God for the low oxygen shut off.  I just don't understand how I got sick before it shut off.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ammondude on Jan 20, 2016, 11:04 PM
YMMV.  Ammondude might have additional input.

I can confirm fgsteve's post. That was like the best trip ever... period.

Can't wait to sleep on the ice again.
I really appreicated the aqua vu on this trip.  Jigging into the night on the IR display was so much fun. It was totally amazing to see big fish go for the jig, in black and white.
It was kind of hard to sleep after that late night bite though. Sure got my attention! :P
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 21, 2016, 04:13 AM
I am pretty sure it was co poisoning, Iowa.  At first I thought it may have been the flu.  Thank God for the low oxygen shut off.  I just don't understand how I got sick before it shut off.

Because it is a low 02 shut of not a CO shut of.  2 different things as the fine folks pointed out in the first pages of this thread.  I hadn't thought about that myself, but thankfully have not had the experience you did. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Loso015 on Jan 22, 2016, 08:51 AM
With the cooler..I am assuming you put no ice in..just room temp water and the cold items?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: BaitBucket on Jan 22, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jon. i did an overnight on the ice last season. We had a small heater going all night as well. I had the vents open and left one of the side doors partially unzipped. Everything went fine, but i wont lie, i had that thought in the back of my mind the whole time. Which doesnt make sleeping any easier.

Another thing to consider, could having a few guys sleeping in a small pop up huffing O2 all night pose a similar problem? Even with vents?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 22, 2016, 10:37 AM
With the cooler..I am assuming you put no ice in..just room temp water and the cold items?

Correct.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 22, 2016, 10:41 AM
With the cooler..I am assuming you put no ice in..just room temp water and the cold items?

Correct.

x2
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: 800stealth on Jan 22, 2016, 11:02 AM
I will be going this weekend to Champlain to do this.  Will be on the ice Saturday-Sunday.  Low of 9 is forecasted.  Bringing a cot and 0 degree mummy bag.  I have half inch thick interlocking foam mat for the floor.  Also bringing the otter to fish with.

Was wondering about the heat and ventilation.  I have a buddy heater but my friends have said sleep in the bag no heat.  I see some merit to doing that.

I've camped a few times using a cot and good sleeping bag in my DLX 4000... I'm leaning towards what your buddy recommended... What I do is get it hot in the shack then kill the heat right before you turn in, a good bag will keep you warm. If you wake up cold, fire the heater and jig for 10 minutes until its warm then kill the heat and back to sleep. If you want to burn the heater all night get a good co detector and do a test run letting the heat run all day in your yard or something to see if 6-7 hours of heat going without opening the doors will set off the detector. Or get a dog... I stuff my beagle down to the foot of my sleeping bag and she puts off enough heat to keep both of us warm lol. Good luck up there, be safe.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: 800stealth on Jan 22, 2016, 11:08 AM
Does anyone know the legality of sleeping in a portable shanty overnight? It's legal in NH, right?

If it isn't the CO that checked to see if I was still alive at 5:00 in the morning on Hubbard didn't say anything about it...
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 22, 2016, 11:20 AM
Another thing to consider, could having a few guys sleeping in a small pop up huffing O2 all night pose a similar problem? Even with vents?

Using the calculations here:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-long-can-one-live-in-a-sealed-room.685796/ (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-long-can-one-live-in-a-sealed-room.685796/)

I figure two guys in a space roughly the size of my QF6 could last .6 days if it were completely sealed, which it is not.  At that point, I determined that it is not significant concern for me.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 22, 2016, 11:22 AM
And this comment is overdue.

Drifter, you guys ROCK.  I would love to be on one of your trips.  Amazing.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: BaitBucket on Jan 22, 2016, 12:22 PM
Using the calculations here:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-long-can-one-live-in-a-sealed-room.685796/ (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-long-can-one-live-in-a-sealed-room.685796/)

I figure two guys in a space roughly the size of my QF6 could last .6 days if it were completely sealed, which it is not.  At that point, I determined that it is not significant concern for me.

This is based of the entire area filling with carbon dioxide. Since carbon dioxide is heavier than oxygen you would be more susceptible to it when laying on a cot or ground in a sleeping bag. As you wouldn't need a full hub of carbon dioxide, just the first couple feet to be lethal.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 22, 2016, 12:48 PM
This is based of the entire area filling with carbon dioxide.

I didn't read it that way, "Let's take 30,000 ppm (3% of room air) as our death point, although obviously that's arbitrary...."

Although that would mean filling the entire space up to 3%.  I still think two dudes with the vents open and heater off won't use up all the O2.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 22, 2016, 01:27 PM
Well gents I am half a grand lighter in the pocket but I grabbed all the items I need.

0 degree bag, cot, closed cell foam sleeping mat, base layer to sleep in with zero cotton, ect ect ect.

Again, I will not be running heat while I sleep, -2 for a low so there would be way too much condensation if I run the heater all night.

We have 2 CO detectors per shanty, one for sleeping level and one for the ceiling should heat be absolutely nessecary.  (if it is with the cost of cold weather crap I bought I will be pissed)

All my stuff is ready to get packed up...I probably wont sleep Saturday night as we are going to pull the traps and jig for eyes in the otter away from camp. 

Oh and although 2 of us are fishing we are staying in 2 different hub shelters....I will snore louder than the ice settling!

Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 22, 2016, 01:55 PM
lowaccord, good luck!  We will eagerly await your report and see just how much YMMV.  Safe travels, warm and safe sleep, and tight lines!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: doctorgee on Jan 22, 2016, 02:10 PM
Yes, update please! BRING A CAMERA!!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 22, 2016, 02:16 PM
I will have my S5 with me and have service most of the time (sometimes it will data roam because of the proximity to Canada) Stay tuned. Also please accept sincere thank you to all who took a minute to respond, I appreciate the effort to help me ensure this doesnt suck!

Also re reading the posts I noticed in a weeks time the low forecast went from 9 above to -2.  Light winds though!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: BaitBucket on Jan 22, 2016, 08:05 PM
Good luck man, be safe.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: wyogator on Jan 22, 2016, 08:27 PM
Iowa, this may be too late, since it is Fri. night and you are probably on your way to the lake, but if you can exchange that 0 degree bag for a -20, you will be a lot warmer.  I used a 0 last year with a heater.  I totally agree with you in not using heat though.  I may buy a warmer bag and try it without heat.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 23, 2016, 12:18 AM
Thanks for the heads up but the 0 degree will be fine I dont like being to warm when I sleep.  We leave shortly.  It took a few hours to get the jeep packed!!!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: beeverfishing on Jan 23, 2016, 05:45 PM
Looking forward to hearing about your trip.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 23, 2016, 07:38 PM
So far so good guys...im jigging in the shanty now, heat on low running a fan amd using co detector.  I havent slept since friday am so its almost time to retire for the night.  The pike are being fickel...maybe tomorrow will be better.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: beerduck on Jan 25, 2016, 06:18 PM
ive been ice camping for 15 years we use an eskimo 9416 2 big buddys hooked to a 40 lb tank never an issue with a little ventilation used co detector not a problem sleep with heat everytime  im still here the key is fresh air let it in
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: MT-Ed on Jan 25, 2016, 11:23 PM
So much concern over CO and CO2.......but I'd be more concerned with the methane production during the night.......if you get my jest?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 26, 2016, 09:38 AM
So much concern over CO and CO2.......but I'd be more concerned with the methane production during the night.......if you get my jest?

That's easy to fix!!!
Leave the PBR and pickled eggs @ home!!!!!!    :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Lavman on Jan 26, 2016, 11:41 AM
That's easy to fix!!!
Leave the PBR and pickled eggs @ home!!!!!!    :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

What fun is THAT!? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Lavman on Jan 26, 2016, 11:42 AM
Iowa: how did it go? You still kickin'?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ICEHOLE on Jan 26, 2016, 03:12 PM
and is it Iowaccord or is it Low Accord? Low Accord makes more since....was confused on this thread for a bit trying to figure out who Iowa is
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 26, 2016, 03:48 PM
and is it Iowaccord or is it Low Accord? Low Accord makes more since....was confused on this thread for a bit trying to figure out who Iowa is

I had the same confusion.  Pasting the username into a word processor and changing fonts convinced me that it starts with an "L."

And the question remains how things worked out for lowaccord.  We're eager to hear!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: MT-Ed on Jan 26, 2016, 04:38 PM
Methane..............R .I.P.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 26, 2016, 05:02 PM
Methane..............R.I.P.

OK you made me laugh.

Actually, when training Scouters and Boy Scouts for Winter camping, we promote the consumption of "greasy, gassy food" for dinner.  Best way to stoke the furnace!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 26, 2016, 07:07 PM
Hey guys!  Yes I made it, yes it is Low Accord.  I will update with pics after I fix my wasted photobucket account.

Meantime I made a big mistake...a zero degree bad doesnt work so well if you dont sinch it up around you tight (I have a square bag not a mummy)  It got down to -6 but I was passed out from 930 to 330am before I woke up so not bad at all.

Second mistake...in my being anal I picked a bare spot on the ice so my foam floor would be level and nice....well no snow on he shanty skirt and a breeze of 5-10 at -6 made things a bit cold.  I went through 4lbs or so of propane that night!  Getting ready in the morning sucked! 

More details to come! 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: adkRoy on Jan 26, 2016, 07:11 PM
you live and learn. Make a list of things to remember so next time you will be better prepared.  ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: BLUJBURD on Jan 26, 2016, 07:51 PM
If winter camping is your thing do yourself a favor just like good boots a great sleeping bag is necessary.  Friends and I have done some late winter, early spring steelhead camping trips (tents). Buying a -20° mummy sleeping bag and a decent sleeping pad to place on the cot have made a huge difference in sleep quality.  Don't really like the tight confines of a mummy, but I dislike the cold seeping down into any opening of a rectangular bag. No heater used except in the morning to knock the chill out to change. I know the mats should help. I just know I have always had reservation using a heater while I sleep. But that's just me.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: prosty41 on Jan 26, 2016, 09:31 PM
We are talking about an overnight trip this year but without the camping. My tentative plan is to get on the ice about 3pm... Haul out and find the spot then set up camp and get everything locked down for the evening. Once that's done we plan to stay up all night and fish till about 10am the next morning. We take two 20lb propane bottles and two heaters for the six sided Eskimo Fatfish hut, plenty of light, the grill, and were even talking about hauling out a deep fat frier.  Either way we will grill up some rib eyes on the ice.

My logic for those involved was: we stay up all night and work regularly .. Certainly we can stay up all night and fish.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 26, 2016, 10:02 PM
Prosty41, one of the reasons it was easy to sleep is that I hadn't gotten any from Friday morning until 9:30 Saturday night.  Between work, loading the gear and a desire to get bait at 6am there was no time for sleep Friday night.  We left at 130 and took the 4.5 hr drive up.  I drank 8 gallons of redbull...

Pics soon, photobucket app sucks...
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: prosty41 on Jan 26, 2016, 10:10 PM
No no I get it. I just mean our trip will be without sleep on purpose. One thing I wonder.. Why is everyone concerned about proper ventilation at night while running a propane heater but not during the day? I always keep my shanty cents open anyway
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: mr.clean on Jan 27, 2016, 02:31 AM
Lowaccord66 glad you had a safe trip thank you for posting the photos. I have a question for you what is the purpose of using a car type battery wired to a power inverter and the inverter wired to the flasher. Due you get a longer run time on the flasher using this system then you would using the battery that comes with your flasher.
  Here is a link to a web site for people who winter camp. Most of the people on this site use the hot tent method with a small wood burning stove in the tent. You may find some useful information on this web site. Also congratulations on catching the yellow perch and pike.
Steve               
                       www.wintertrekking.com (http://www.wintertrekking.com)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 27, 2016, 04:54 AM
We used the battery to charge multiple electrical items.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: pyro261 on Jan 27, 2016, 09:22 AM
I've been wanting to camp out on the ice for a couple years now. 

Anyone have any suggestions as to how I might be able to hang a hammock on the ice? ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 27, 2016, 01:23 PM
Anyone have any suggestions as to how I might be able to hang a hammock on the ice? ;D

Dude, lots of hammock stands out there, both commercial and DIY.  Many of them would fit in a larger hut...
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: IFF on Jan 27, 2016, 01:34 PM
I've been wanting to camp out on the ice for a couple years now. 

Anyone have any suggestions as to how I might be able to hang a hammock on the ice? ;D

Might be a good stand alone thread ?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: POLARCAP on Jan 27, 2016, 03:29 PM
For those that put a floor down overnight: is there a problem with the floor freezing to the ice? or is the insulation sufficient despite splashing water and condensation. Thanks.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 27, 2016, 06:27 PM
For those that put a floor down overnight: is there a problem with the floor freezing to the ice? or is the insulation sufficient despite splashing water and condensation. Thanks.

We didn't cover the entire floor, only a section in front of the bunks where we changed clothes or warmed toes.  No freezing problems for us.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: POLARCAP on Jan 27, 2016, 07:59 PM
We didn't cover the entire floor, only a section in front of the bunks where we changed clothes or warmed toes.  No freezing problems for us.

Thanks. When we had a rubber mat and a little overflow it froze solid.  It took forever to liberate with the blade of a snow shovel. I'd like to try the foam pad.  :tipup:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Jan 28, 2016, 01:42 AM
I highly recommend the Polar Bird shelters for this.  We bought two this year and plan on using them in place of our old double hub.  These have a floor and seem to bridge the gap for us.  We camp on the ice in hub shelters to save money on lodging.  Its extremely effective when done safely.  The Polar Bird shelters have a small port hole near the bottom for venting all the bad gases, plus you can run your generator cord and propane hose through it.  They are a sponsor on this site and seem to be very responsive.  I would check them out. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 28, 2016, 09:27 AM
Got to saw, the interlocking foam mats worked great in conjunction with my cabelas popup...I personally have no need to investigate another shelter!

(We are going to do this trip again)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: river_scum on Jan 28, 2016, 10:05 PM
we used to winter camp.  didnt mess with heaters in the tents though.  just get in your bag and remove cloths.  put cloths on before you get out of the bag in morning. its not really that bad till it gets in the teens. i wouldnt do it these days though. lol a lot wimpier now than i was in my 20s.  fun times fun times

your best buddy at night is an empty 2 liter with a cap. ;D  amazing how warm a bottle of used beer is in a sleeping bag.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Jan 28, 2016, 11:07 PM
we used to winter camp.  didnt mess with heaters in the tents though.  just get in your bag and remove cloths.  put cloths on before you get out of the bag in morning. its not really that bad till it gets in the teens. i wouldnt do it these days though. lol a lot wimpier now than i was in my 20s.  fun times fun times

your best buddy at night is an empty 2 liter with a cap. ;D  amazing how warm a bottle of used beer is in a sleeping bag.

hahaha, just dont spill any.   ::)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: BLUJBURD on Jan 29, 2016, 06:17 PM
we used to winter camp.  didnt mess with heaters in the tents though.  just get in your bag and remove cloths.  put cloths on before you get out of the bag in morning. its not really that bad till it gets in the teens. i wouldnt do it these days though. lol a lot wimpier now than i was in my 20s.  fun times fun times

your best buddy at night is an empty 2 liter with a cap. ;D  amazing how warm a bottle of used beer is in a sleeping bag.

So ducking true however Gatorade bottles have a little more room to dispense in.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Feb 02, 2016, 04:04 AM
+1, what he said.  ;)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ZachariahB on Feb 02, 2016, 05:41 PM
I got a polar bird 3 T with an insulated floor.  It makes camping on ice totally comfortable.  It also has vents so heater stays on.  Add an air mattress and a zero degree bag, and I was totally comfortable.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Feb 02, 2016, 07:04 PM
I got a polar bird 3 T with an insulated floor.  It makes camping on ice totally comfortable.  It also has vents so heater stays on.  Add an air mattress and a zero degree bag, and I was totally comfortable.

My cleats would destroy that floor in a few steps...the interlocking garage mats are a life saver...and I didnt have to buy a new shanty either!  Pull up one or two to jig and then back in place when done
...works perfect!

Ill be camping on ice again in 2 weeks or so...
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Raquettedacker on Feb 02, 2016, 08:19 PM
Go buy a CO2 detector and put it in your sleeping quarters...   ;)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Feb 04, 2016, 03:19 AM
I got a polar bird 3 T with an insulated floor.  It makes camping on ice totally comfortable.  It also has vents so heater stays on.  Add an air mattress and a zero degree bag, and I was totally comfortable.

I have the 3T and now the 4T and typically camp on the ice when i can to save $ on lodging when traveling the state for ice.  I love all the features of the polar birds and i dont have to haul heavy mats in my sled anymore.  I use a zero gravity cot and a military ECWS sleeping bag.  i run my quiet honda generator for charging things and led lights then a big buddy heater for warmth with extension cord and propane lines running through the little port in the bottom of the tent so i dont have to leave the door/zipper open and then i vent the windows at the top.  Its perfect!  when sleeping i run two tip ups with alarms inside the shelter so i can keep fishing.  ;)  Works great for me, but im sure each person has their own preference of products and what not. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Feb 04, 2016, 03:22 AM
My cleats would destroy that floor in a few steps...the interlocking garage mats are a life saver...and I didnt have to buy a new shanty either!  Pull up one or two to jig and then back in place when done
...works perfect!

Ill be camping on ice again in 2 weeks or so...

I have not had an issue with the cleats i use, but im sure if people prefer the aggressive style cleats then that would most certainly damage the floor.  I have guys in and out of my shelter with various styles of cleats, but i dont stop them to look.  I have no tears or rips to date...  The mats worked great for me for many years, but i was ready for a new shelter and i liked the weight trade off with the direction i went. 

Its good to hear more guys are staying out on the ice, im typically the only one on the lakes i fish.  we should really have our own club.  :)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Ice Surveyor on Feb 10, 2016, 05:57 PM
I just got back from an overnight stay out on the ice.  I was in my new Polar Bird 4T hub style shanty.  2 guys fishing, plan was to stay up all night and give 'er heck.  Well, I couldn't take it any more, and crashed around 2am.  I used a thermarest pad, my so-so sleeping bag, some base layers from Cabelas, and a pillow.  We had a Mr. Heater in the shack with us, kept it on low.  The wind was blowing a good 15-20 mph the whole time we were there, and the temps started at 20° and ended at 7° when the sun came up.   The Polar Bird did an amazing job of keeping us warm and out of the wind.  The only problem we had was bringing new snow into the tent after checking the tip ups.  Next time I will bring a beach towel to keep the floor dry.  These were about as bad of conditions I ever want to be in, but it worked out well.  I did buy a CO detector as well, and it never went off.  Picture of the morning sun.

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1197.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa429%2Ftrophygametags%2FPolar%2520bird%2520in%2520action_zpsdwnr6w05.jpg&hash=072470eb19bcbd224bde27433f07f5a7) (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/trophygametags/media/Polar%20bird%20in%20action_zpsdwnr6w05.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Feb 10, 2016, 07:20 PM
I stayed on Champlain last weekend as well.  Saturday night into Sunday.  I made adjustments...and I slept hard!  I had trouble getting up Sunday to get more bait.  Low of 27 was much easier to handle than -6.  So I used no heat which worked fine.  I can't wait to get a multi night trip in during last ice.  That should be awesome.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Feb 10, 2016, 11:42 PM
I just got back from an overnight stay out on the ice.  I was in my new Polar Bird 4T hub style shanty.  2 guys fishing, plan was to stay up all night and give 'er heck.  Well, I couldn't take it any more, and crashed around 2am.  I used a thermarest pad, my so-so sleeping bag, some base layers from Cabelas, and a pillow.  We had a Mr. Heater in the shack with us, kept it on low.  The wind was blowing a good 15-20 mph the whole time we were there, and the temps started at 20° and ended at 7° when the sun came up.   The Polar Bird did an amazing job of keeping us warm and out of the wind.  The only problem we had was bringing new snow into the tent after checking the tip ups.  Next time I will bring a beach towel to keep the floor dry.  These were about as bad of conditions I ever want to be in, but it worked out well.  I did buy a CO detector as well, and it never went off.  Picture of the morning sun.

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1197.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa429%2Ftrophygametags%2FPolar%2520bird%2520in%2520action_zpsdwnr6w05.jpg&hash=072470eb19bcbd224bde27433f07f5a7) (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/trophygametags/media/Polar%20bird%20in%20action_zpsdwnr6w05.jpg.html)

Just use a cot if you can spare the extra weight.  Keeps you off the floor.  The floor can get wet, naturally, but it beats the ice any day!  I will be staying on the ice this weekend.  Cant wait! 

I stayed on Champlain last weekend as well.  Saturday night into Sunday.  I made adjustments...and I slept hard!  I had trouble getting up Sunday to get more bait.  Low of 27 was much easier to handle than -6.  So I used no heat which worked fine.  I can't wait to get a multi night trip in during last ice.  That should be awesome.

I too want a multiple night trip before ice out.  I seem to sleep better out there.  lol
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: PolarBird on Nov 17, 2016, 11:52 PM
I just got back from an overnight stay out on the ice.  I was in my new Polar Bird 4T hub style shanty.  2 guys fishing, plan was to stay up all night and give 'er heck.  Well, I couldn't take it any more, and crashed around 2am.  I used a thermarest pad, my so-so sleeping bag, some base layers from Cabelas, and a pillow.  We had a Mr. Heater in the shack with us, kept it on low.  The wind was blowing a good 15-20 mph the whole time we were there, and the temps started at 20° and ended at 7° when the sun came up.   The Polar Bird did an amazing job of keeping us warm and out of the wind.  The only problem we had was bringing new snow into the tent after checking the tip ups.  Next time I will bring a beach towel to keep the floor dry.  These were about as bad of conditions I ever want to be in, but it worked out well.  I did buy a CO detector as well, and it never went off.  Picture of the morning sun.

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1197.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa429%2Ftrophygametags%2FPolar%2520bird%2520in%2520action_zpsdwnr6w05.jpg&hash=072470eb19bcbd224bde27433f07f5a7) (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/trophygametags/media/Polar%20bird%20in%20action_zpsdwnr6w05.jpg.html)

Wow, Great post and cool story.  Thank you for sharing and for the pics.  :)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: MT_mulies on Nov 21, 2016, 11:46 AM
I have a buddy that does this every year in January at the derby we go to. He Has a wall tent that doesn't have a floor. He just uses ice screws to anchor it down. Then he whips out the wood stove and lights a fire in it. His wall tent is super warm and by the end of the night he has a nice little stream running out of his tent haha. The ice is about 3-4 feet deep. He gets the cots out and then wraps his fishing line around his finger so if a fish bites he doesn't miss it.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: PolarBird on Nov 23, 2016, 06:47 PM
I have a buddy that does this every year in January at the derby we go to. He Has a wall tent that doesn't have a floor. He just uses ice screws to anchor it down. Then he whips out the wood stove and lights a fire in it. His wall tent is super warm and by the end of the night he has a nice little stream running out of his tent haha. The ice is about 3-4 feet deep. He gets the cots out and then wraps his fishing line around his finger so if a fish bites he doesn't miss it.

Its always great to hear about people camping on the ice. Especially when the memories and stories come with it! 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Nov 23, 2016, 06:50 PM
Its always great to hear about people camping on the ice. Especially when the memories and stories come with it!

ditto.  what he said 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: esox_xtm on Nov 23, 2016, 07:13 PM
Tell ya what.

In northern WI I feel a lot more comfortable into the dark or overnight with an "insurance policy" in my pocket. Been eyeballed by wolves more than once.

Just sayin'...
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: missoulafish on Nov 23, 2016, 07:23 PM
Wolves are sneaky, they are the reason I started carrying a side arn durring bow season. Blackbears and lions are easy to scare off, wolves want to eat you and dont scare.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: esox_xtm on Nov 23, 2016, 07:26 PM
Yep. Black bears are just stupid curious. We don't have much by big cats around these parts. Probably only a matter of time. Wolves are like me in the woods with a rifle in my hands...... Just bad intent.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: missoulafish on Nov 23, 2016, 07:28 PM
True story Essox.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Nov 24, 2016, 08:44 AM
That sure adds a whole new level to ice camping.  We only have pesky coyotes here where i live in MI.  Never thought of the other predators scavenging the ice at night up where you guys live.  Very interesting. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ran7ger on Nov 24, 2016, 09:21 PM
wolves all over the place up here, never had an issue.  must not like canadian meat.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: PolarBird on Nov 25, 2016, 12:56 PM
anyone have to worry about any other unusual creatures while ice camping?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Idahogator on Nov 25, 2016, 01:06 PM
Best cover the holes ~ muskrats and otter are common in some areas.    :woot:

Being startled awake can cause wicked antics, depending on alcohol consumption.      :roflmao: :roflmao:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Nov 25, 2016, 01:09 PM
I almost shot a wolf on mon.  Just got a new rifle and needless to say I don't like the bdc reticle.  I always carry while on the ice.  There is always the possibility of a winter bear.  They scare me more than any wolf or wolverine mainly because if they're up in the winter they are starving and not afraid of anything.  Heard enough horror stories to know you don't want to mess with a winter bear.  The other thing I'm worried about is big earthquakes during early ice.  Over 15 inches isn't much of a problem but less and there is the possibility of the lake breaking up. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: esox_xtm on Nov 25, 2016, 05:14 PM
Best cover the holes ~ muskrats and otter are common in some areas.


I've had muskrats come up the holes a few times. It's a little startling but certainly not dangerous. Had a pair of fox run off with a bag of dead bait once. Bold little pukes. They made several tries at it until they realized my yelling and whistling wasn't gonna hurt 'em. Haven't had an encounter but if you leave anything edible unsecured the 'coons will probably find it and claim it as theirs. Leave a mess to boot.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Fish Boy35 on Nov 26, 2016, 12:26 AM
Lots of great info on here!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: masoneddie on Nov 26, 2016, 06:24 AM
Lots of great info on here!

Agreed...it's very interesting reading for sure! Wolves, bears, wolverines...my local lakes don't have any of the good stuff, maybe a fox, perhaps a coyote, and local dogs who mark their territory on your hub or tip ups....and most of them only have two legs!    ;D

Keep them coming...really good read!    :clap:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: PolarBird on Nov 28, 2016, 10:10 PM
The only critter we had besides coyotes on the ice was the rare muskrat through the hole one time.  lol, cannot imagine running into a wolf or bear on the ice like that.  And i agree with the rest, keep the info coming, it is awesome.  Maybe we can get some pics too.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: robbiej on Nov 28, 2016, 10:40 PM
wolves all over the place up here, never had an issue.  must not like canadian meat.


Do you go in the Montreal Lake derby? If so, how has it been

Cheers
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Wind Flag on Nov 29, 2016, 05:49 PM
anyone have to worry about any other unusual creatures while ice camping?
I invite unusual creatures out on the ice with me all the time. Some of them drink too much, but they're not too much of a problem.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: PolarBird on Nov 29, 2016, 10:42 PM
I invite unusual creatures out on the ice with me all the time. Some of them drink too much, but they're not too much of a problem.

Hahaha, best quote so far!   :clap:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Nov 30, 2016, 05:26 AM
anyone have to worry about any other unusual creatures while ice camping?

Yes.  People...Alburg VT had it's share of interesting creatures when we were camping up there.  Coyotes too.  They were around in numbers on the ice but never got close.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AndyJ on Nov 30, 2016, 07:18 AM
wolves all over the place up here, never had an issue.  must not like canadian meat.

 I've heard two aggressive wolf stories from northern natives since the big fires of 2015. The reasoning goes that food is scarce over large areas and they are hungry and roaming out of their previous ranges in search of food. One was about wolves harrassing fishermen pulling nets, the other about wolves wrecking a tent camp during moose hunting season. That one was told by a heavy set pair of brothers who with typical Cree humour mentioned the wolves thought they were going to get a big lunch that day.

  The chances of animal problems is less in the bush than in the city but it's a good idea out there to have Plan B. Personally, I've not seen evidence of or heard wolves since the fires around Nemeiben Lake.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Nov 30, 2016, 10:40 PM
I've heard two aggressive wolf stories from northern natives since the big fires of 2015. The reasoning goes that food is scarce over large areas and they are hungry and roaming out of their previous ranges in search of food. One was about wolves harrassing fishermen pulling nets, the other about wolves wrecking a tent camp during moose hunting season. That one was told by a heavy set pair of brothers who with typical Cree humour mentioned the wolves thought they were going to get a big lunch that day.

  The chances of animal problems is less in the bush than in the city but it's a good idea out there to have Plan B. Personally, I've not seen evidence of or heard wolves since the fires around Nemeiben Lake.

That is interesting. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Dec 27, 2016, 01:09 PM
Ammondude and I did our second (annual?) overnight at Henry’s Lake in Island Park, ID, on Dec 19-20, 2016.

Preparation began shortly after last year’s trip (see the original post here: http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3440566#msg3440566 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3440566#msg3440566)).  I had new wiring for the snowmobile trailer all year, but the week before the trip there I was on a creeper underneath the trailer rewiring it at 6 degrees F.  Most of the other prep comprised buying new stuff.  The hardest part was the second snowmobile.  I thought I had my older sled running, but just before the trip it died and I didn’t have the time to get it going again.  Long story short, I bought another snowmobile!  The “new” one is a ’97 Polaris Indy Trail 500 with an X-Tra 10 and longer track with 2-inch paddles.  I normally like 2-ups for ice fishing, but I was determined that nothing was going to mess up our trip.

If I was going to tow an extra sled (cargo sled behind my ice fishing sled, behind my snowmobile), my ice fishing sled needed a rear hitch.   I found one with a large flat plate that attached nicely to the bottom of the sled:

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevelarsen.com%2Fice_shanty%2FHL16A.jpg&hash=6c6f33754219dbc6530e090ec1177e5f) (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevelarsen.com%2Fice_shanty%2FHL16B.jpg&hash=776a03426aeff47e8ea7adb75edab73b) (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevelarsen.com%2Fice_shanty%2FHL16C.jpg&hash=fd462cc149210142975e2ff641305b92)

After leaving a little later than planned, we arrived at our parking spot around 2:00 p.m.  It was about 11 degrees F.  Before long, the snowmobiles were unloaded and the sleds were packed up.  I towed my fishing sled, with a covered Jet Sled XL behind it, and the Ammondude just a covered Jet Sled XL.

With our desired access road snowed in, we attempted to try a new route to get on the lake, based on advice from a friend.  The road was way too plowed and we ended up pulling our new Jet Sleds over some nasty gravel.  Yikes!  And then we discovered we had made a wrong turn and we ended up on a private neighborhood road.  With daylight waning, we gently trespassed onto the Lake.  My apologies and thanks to the nice folks of that little subdivision.  We pulled up to our exact, intended destination at about 3:00 p.m.

It was great to load up once, drive to camp, and set up—no shuttle runs.  The Jet Sled XL cargo sleds with covers and HD hitches were terrific!  Shappell says the covers can fit over a five gallon bucket, but they would not fit over a bunch of them.  Even though the sides of the cover didn’t quite reach the sled when stretched over the load, they worked very, very well.   The hitch I had installed on the back of my fishing sled also worked perfectly.  The ice fishing sled can be a little tippy, but no problems.

After passing three fishermen on the way to camp, we saw and heard no-one the rest of the trip.  Here is a look at our camp:

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And a glance or two inside:

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Camp was setup with about 30 minutes of light to spare.  Quickfish 6, bunkbed cots, Big Buddy heater, etc.  Time to fish!  I almost instantly caught a smaller rainbow/cutthroat hybrid.  Cool!  I quickly released it to replace it with something bigger that never came.  Darkness quickly set in and the fishing turned off.

We shortly plugged in our experiment for the trip, a Quarrow 90-LED submersible light, and jumped into the QuickFish 6 for some evening fishing.  On the camera you could see the zooplankton migrating into the light.  We saw a few fish but got no bites.  With the light on, we could see our jigs without resorting to IR mode on the camera.

Did the light make a difference?  We don’t know.  For sure, it drew a cloud of zooplankton, but we’re not sure the rest of the food chain noticed.

For light inside the shelter, we tried out two Etekcity LED lanterns.  At only 30 lumens I had my doubts, but the price was very good at Amazon, and the reviews were positive.   They are great little units that reportedly go 10-12 hours on a set of 3 AA batteries.  In the end, we agreed that two more of them, or something brighter, would be in order.

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Time to warm up a bit and make supper.  We cranked up the Big Buddy heater to high and turned on the fan and WOW!  Where the Portable Buddy would take the edge off the cold, the Big Buddy made it simply warm in there.  We’re talking strip off layers warm.  As the ceiling defrosted, we wiped it with one of our beach towels, and with the heater fan on, the moving air kept the ceiling dry.  Nice.  The towel-the-ceiling thing turns out to be a once-per-warming-session deal.  The beach towels were a good move.  I went to put up the CO detector only to discover it was still in the bag with the other heater, at home.  D’oh!

Instead of the Sterno stove we used a tiny propane/butane job that did amazingly well.  Our traditional dinner of smoked brisket sandwiches on onion rolls was very nice.  Once again we heated the brisket in a bag, in a pan of water, then used the hot water to make Tang.  Aaaah.

After fishing a while longer, we stepped outside to brush our teeth, etc.  It was clear and the stars were AMAZING.  You could see the milky way so clearly.

We liked the floor panels so much last year that we took 12.  But we only used 6.  Four under the cot to keep it dry from below, and two on which to stand and change clothing.

With the heater on, we changed into clean dry everything, turned off the propane, and jumped into bed.  When we had set up the bunkbeds we discovered that the new extensions to increase the space between them had never been added to the cot bags and had been left at home.  D’oh!  We used the exact same sleeping system as last year, and it is a lock for use in the future.  So warm and comfy.  Once again we found no need for the heater overnight.

I was awoken at 4:45 a.m. by a bell and turned on a light to see a pole bouncing slightly.  When I got to it I had to break 1/4 inch of ice in the hole.  By the time I freed the line well enough the fish was gone.  It had taken the mealworm off my jig.  I rebaited and went back to sleep.  A single bite overnight seems to be our established pattern.

With no alarm set, I awoke again about 15 minutes before sunrise.  Getting dressed with the heater on is still amazingly comfortable.  Ammondude was so comfy that he slept another hour while I got setup and fishing.

The day was slow but produced a couple of cutts for me between 2 and 3 lbs. 

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevelarsen.com%2Fice_shanty%2FHL16G.jpg&hash=7b4cead48b6d9849f7f7845ae1670c3c)

The Ammondude got a 3.5 lb. cut and a 4.25 lb. hybrid.  Very pretty.

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Here is a video from the Ammondude of camp and our bed setup:

https://youtu.be/kSm9qjJrNgI (https://youtu.be/kSm9qjJrNgI)

For at-camp restroom, we had opted for the Luggable Loo.  It is not the most stable thing in the world when sitting on ice and snow, and the opening is uncomfortably small.  But using it was better than a 4-mile round trip to the nearest outhouse.  I used it once and I’m glad we had it.  I’m also glad that nobody was around because I just used it outside!  The Double Doodie bags you can buy for it work very well.  It comes with some blue crystals in a small packet.  Don’t put that packet in your pocket unless you want a blue pocket.  Just sayin’.

The hole outside for the submersible light had been covered with a Cabela’s (ThermaSeat) ice hole cover.  As we packed up we found that the hole was still not frozen.

Packed up and ready to head out at about 3:00 p.m., we elected not to head back through the little subdivision.  I knew of a public access about a mile on the other side.  It is not used nor plowed in the winter, but we were on snowmobiles, after all.

We found it, got up the bank OK to the parking area, and surveyed the route.  It turned out to be a one-lane dirt road up the hillside.  But hey, we were on snowmobiles.  So off we go.  Partway up the road I realize that the road has drifted in and I am climbing up the hill in about 3 feet of powder pulling two heavy sleds behind.  The machine slows.  I gun it and hang on for the wild ride.  About 150  yards from the top, the snowmobile slows and stops.  Stuck!  Turning around I discover that the ice fishing sled has tipped over and is making a great anchor.

We got out of there, but it went something like this:  Unhitch the sleds and break trail to the top.  Turn around (take the snowmobile back down), unload the extra gear off the ice fishing sled and tow it to the top.  Go back and tow the Jet Sled to the top.  Go back and get the extra gear and carry that to the top.  Go back and make sure the Ammondude makes it up the hill.  Hook everything back up and continue the trip out.  After managing my layers carefully for two days, I was by that time sweating up a storm.  That new sled with the extra track and paddles had saved the day.

Here is a look at the caravan as we returned to the truck:

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevelarsen.com%2Fice_shanty%2FHL16F.jpg&hash=0e5d45d760a8b48a3a509a997ac05b3b)

In all, a grand adventure and pinnacle experience for us.

Identified improvements from last year:

Two snow machines: A must and the new sled saved our bacon.
More cargo space:  Jet Sled XLs with covers and HD hitches are two thumbs up.
More cooler space: The second Igloo cooler was perfect.
More heat: We love the Big Buddy heater and the cute 11-lb cylinder to go with it.  Total propane usage was only .75 gallons.
Bunk bed extensions: Well, they’re packed with the cots now.
Bigger wipe-the-wall towels: Two beach towels were great.
Two full-size action packers: This was just right for storing all layers but bibs and coats, overnight.
At-the-camp restroom option: The Luggable Loo did the job and it weighs nothing.

To do Better Next Time

Get the blasted extensions into the cot bags (done).
Get the CO detector into the right case (done).
Pack some paper towels in the kitchen bag.
Leave the spare propane tank at home.
Take fewer floor panels (like 6).
Cover the inside holes overnight.
More light (see above).
Get an earlier start to enable afternoon fishing on day 1.
If we return to Henry’s, use the easy access up the shore and ride the shoreline to our spot, rather than fight the more difficult (or private) access that is closer.
I still have my eye on an Eskimo Fatfish 9416i.

Our camp is still not mobile, but I think that is the best setup for us if we’re overnighting.  And we’re still junior dudes compared to Drifter.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: 800stealth on Dec 27, 2016, 01:30 PM
Wow, great read Steve. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: walpy on Dec 27, 2016, 06:14 PM
Awesome post, great stuff! Looks like a blast!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Dec 27, 2016, 06:24 PM
FG Steve great trip and awesome addition the thread.  I suggest you update this yearly.  I haven't camped yet but I am going to as soon as possible.  I will certainly post then...Thanks again for the post...thats a lot of work to write that up.  Benefits many, nice job!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GCD on Dec 27, 2016, 08:41 PM
This is so frickin' kewl!!! I'd love to camp on the ice for a weekend, or even a week! (just as long as I had a warm place to shower!)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: hounds on Dec 27, 2016, 08:47 PM
Steve great adventure, I'm considering doing something similar in the future, but we need a winter like 2012 to even consider sleeping overnight here in Northern Indiana.  Thanks for sharing it will help me for when I get ready to try it.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jerryfishing on Dec 27, 2016, 09:07 PM
Thanks for sharing your experience F G Steve!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: crappieslayer37 on Dec 27, 2016, 09:07 PM
but we need a winter like 2012 to even consider sleeping overnight here in Northern Indiana. 
::) I could camp tonight if I didn't have to work till friday ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: potatoe on Dec 27, 2016, 09:17 PM
cool outing, I just want to try fishing at night for the first time
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Dec 27, 2016, 11:10 PM
This is so frickin' kewl!!! I'd love to camp on the ice for a weekend, or even a week! (just as long as I had a warm place to shower!)
Check out the zodi hot water showers, when I'm out for a week or two it's real nice to be able to take a shower every few days.  There's always the baby wipe shower if your only out for like 5 days.  Anything less than that it's called maning up and living with the stink.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Dec 28, 2016, 08:06 AM
FG Steve,

Thanks for the post on this years trip.  I appreciate the detail an effort you put into the posts.

I received a 9416I for Christmas and cant wait to spend a night or two in it this year.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bowski76 on Dec 28, 2016, 08:29 AM
Wow, what an adventure. A lot of thought and effort went into your trip; I can only imagine what I would forget to bring.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: missoulafish on Dec 28, 2016, 08:40 AM
Still going strong, just a great thread. Great info Steve:) some awesome adventures :icefish:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: LarryClutch on Dec 28, 2016, 09:22 AM
Loved reading these.  Had to post in here so I can see the replies to my post to save the thread easier!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Dec 28, 2016, 09:28 AM
FG Steve,

Thanks for the post on this years trip.  I appreciate the detail an effort you put into the posts.

I received a 9416I for Christmas and cant wait to spend a night or two in it this year.

If you want company I'd take a ride up.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Dec 28, 2016, 09:35 AM
If you want company I'd take a ride up.

That sounds good.  I will send you a PM.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: curt69 on Dec 29, 2016, 08:33 AM
Thanks Steve great report .
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 04, 2017, 10:56 AM
Wow, what an adventure. A lot of thought and effort went into your trip; I can only imagine what I would forget to bring.

I would forget tons of things if I didn't use a checklist.  I have one for each of certain activities, including ice fishing, boat fishing, backpacking, etc.  It also helps calm my nerves on the drive to the lake, reducing the "did we bring..." questions.  As you might imagine, I am also developing a checklist specific to our overnight ice fishing excursions, so next year we will be using version 3.  On a trip like this, safety is a big deal and a checklist helps ensure the right stuff gets there.  You can guess from my report some of the checklist updates for next year.

Thanks to all for the encouragement and kind comments.  I look forward to lowaccord's post.  Lowaccord, are you going out soon?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jul 29, 2018, 08:43 PM
Howdy, all.

Our 2017/2018 overnight trip was cancelled because Ammondude's wife got in a very bad accident in December and was hospitalized.  She is doing better now, and we are gearing up for this year's trip, in late December.

Nosaj reports that he still hasn't spent a night in his 9416i.  Thanks for the PM pics, though.  It looks like I'm going to need Deal Ninja to find one for me this season.

Lowaccord, did you get in an overnight trip last season?  If so, I'd love to hear about it.

Our fantastic Spring fishing season is over.  It really was terrific, with lots of large trout and even an overnighter in the boat (first time I've ever caught a limit by 3:30 a.m.).   The overnight boat trip was the best, including a grilled steak dinner, a John Wayne movie, the bunkbed cots, and a 5 pound trout at 2:00 a.m.

I know it's July, but I'm already starting to look forward to this year's overnight ice adventure.  The date is set and preparation is underway!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: walpy on Aug 10, 2018, 01:49 PM
Glad to hear Ammondude's wife is doing well!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ActiveTrapChecker on Aug 19, 2018, 03:06 PM
Love this thread. Jon, nice work getting it started years ago.

Going to make a maiden overnight voyage this season, will certainly draw from the past experiences of others. And will definitely post thevplanning aspects of it all.

Quick question - how do daily limits work with spending multiple days on the ice? That’s one of the questions I will ask ECon as the hardwater season approaches.

But before then, I have some venison to procure for meals for the trip...
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Aug 19, 2018, 03:59 PM
Love this thread. Jon, nice work getting it started years ago.

x2!   Looking forward to your contribution.

But before then, I have some venison to procure

x2!

Quick question - how do daily limits work with spending multiple days on the ice? That’s one of the questions I will ask ECon as the hardwater season approaches.

That depends on local rules about bag and possession limits.  For example, in our state they changed the rules recently and the possession limit allows you to have three days' limit with you while in the field.  That means we would be allowed to keep one limit before midnight and one after.  If that sounds greedy, consider that we may be on a lake with trophy regs where the limit is a whopping 2 fish. 

What state are you in?  Gotta be NY.  Might be a question that would get a quick and accurate response in a local thread.  (Might be answered here before I hit the Post button.)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ActiveTrapChecker on Aug 19, 2018, 04:29 PM

What state are you in?  Gotta be NY.  Might be a question that would get a quick and accurate response in a local thread.  (Might be answered here before I hit the Post button.)
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You are correct, NY. I know some local ECon pretty well, will likely see them during archery season and will ask the question then. They seem to be a good source of information on such topics.

Not that I intend to catch 3 days limits, but more than one day would be nice!

Also want to learn more about carcass disposal while I am talking to them. Fresh fish and venison would be a great surf and turf on the ice!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Agronomist_at_IA on Aug 19, 2018, 05:49 PM
Who's lived in their shanty for a weekend?  What did you do right?  What could you have done better?   How cold was it?

Im going to stay on the ice all weekend.  Bringing a cot and cold weather bag.  Just curious whos done it and how it went!

Thanks guys.

I'm kinda suprised by the number of people that do this and chance possible issues with heaters and stuff. Maybe it's different around here.......but we tend to have more then enough guides with nice ice castle or ice castle type wheel houses that a guy can rent for about $50 a night per person. I would think that at those prices a person can't really justify screwing around with the other way when it comes to safety, comfort, and expense.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: RStock521 on Aug 19, 2018, 07:16 PM
I'm kinda suprised by the number of people that do this and chance possible issues with heaters and stuff. Maybe it's different around here.......but we tend to have more then enough guides with nice ice castle or ice castle type wheel houses that a guy can rent for about $50 a night per person. I would think that at those prices a person can't really justify screwing around with the other way when it comes to safety, comfort, and expense.
Wow, $50 a night would be a steal!  Nothing like that here in Ohio.  When the conditions allow on Erie next, I'd love to camp out there and this thread will be invaluable in the preparation for the trip.  Thanks everyone for sharing the info, keep it coming! 

It's August, and I'm looking at Thermarest sleeping pads to keep the cold off.    The Thermarest Mondoking 3D has an R-value of 11.4.  I was looking at using an air mattress, but in my research, I've learned that air mattresses suck the heat right out of you, whereas the sleeping pads have insulation to keep the cold off.  I'm thinking cot, then sleeping pad on top.  It's kind of bulky, but so is everything else we haul out... ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Aug 19, 2018, 11:08 PM
I'm kinda suprised by the number of people that do this and chance possible issues with heaters and stuff. Maybe it's different around here.......but we tend to have more then enough guides with nice ice castle or ice castle type wheel houses that a guy can rent for about $50 a night per person. I would think that at those prices a person can't really justify screwing around with the other way when it comes to safety, comfort, and expense.

Yup, it's different.

$50/night would be terrific.  Nothing like that around here.  Moreover, local ice isn't something on which I would drive a car/truck/SUV.  Ever.  Gotta tow that thing out and back.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Agronomist_at_IA on Aug 20, 2018, 12:20 AM
Yup, it's different.

$50/night would be terrific.  Nothing like that around here.  Moreover, local ice isn't something on which I would drive a car/truck/SUV.  Ever.  Gotta tow that thing out and back.

Yeah....It does get a little scary when you drive out 1 1/2 miles on 16in of ice with a 1500 pickup and an ice castle in tow.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Aug 20, 2018, 01:51 AM
I was looking at using an air mattress, but in my research, I've learned that air mattresses suck the heat right out of you, whereas the sleeping pads have insulation to keep the cold off.

Very, very true.  Old-fashioned air mattresses don't insulate worth beans.

The Thermarest Mondoking 3D has an R-value of 11.4.  ...  I'm thinking cot, then sleeping pad on top.  It's kind of bulky, but so is everything else we haul out... ;D

I think my combination of ThermaRest Camprest and urethane pad adds to about 11.9 R value.  Tested on a cot with no heater down to -10 F, with two zero-degree bags on top of it (more R-value added by the bags).

That Mondoking is a beast!  At 30x80" I think it is optimally sized.  I took a hard look at it and decided to stick with the current system, part of which is oblivious to puncture/leaking disaster.  If you get it please report back about it.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 13, 2019, 05:26 PM
Who's lived in their shanty for a weekend?  What did you do right?  What could you have done better?   How cold was it?

I suggest you update this yearly

Ammondude and I completed our third overnight, at Henry’s Lake in Island Park, Idaho, December 27-28, 2018.

Here is the post from trip 1 in 2015: http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3440566#msg3440566
 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3440566#msg3440566)
And the post from trip 2 in 2016: https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3587572#msg3587572
 (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3587572#msg3587572)
As usual, preparations began just after our last overnight trip.  Primary acquisitions:
-Eskimo Fatfish 9416i
-Two Goal Zero Light-A-Life 350 lights
-Some additional Thermaseat hole covers. 

We made all the adjustments from last year’s list, plus the following:
-Our urethane foam cot pads were retired and replaced with Cabela’s cot pads, which are just fabric-covered urethane foam.
-My Goal Zero Yeti 150 was brought along to power the lights and other stuff.  It has about a 12.5Ah SLA battery.  The Goal Zero solar panel we use in the boat was left at home.  We had tested a single Goal Zero light on our boat overnighter in May and were so impressed that I purchased a second one. 
-New 10-ply cooper AT3 tires on the Yukon XL

We had set up the new FF9416i in the yard before the trip to ensure it was all there.  Eskimo ships their hubs with enough straps to tie down half of the wall panels, so I obtained three more and an extra anchor pouch.  With 12 anchors and 6 straps we can tie down all sides.

Here is an image of the Light-A-Life 350:

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stevelarsen.com%2Fice_shanty%2FGZ350.jpg&hash=561ffbd3bfc8bba4c0862f4140519165)

Ammondude’s goal was to catch brook trout.  I thought it would be nice to catch a monster hybrid, but they have been sparse this year up there.  My other trips so far this year were successful enough that I wasn’t too uptight about it.

I was eager to meet up with prospector, who planned to join us this year.  I wanted to see him slaying fish with his homemade plastics and I wanted ammondude to see his awesome sleeper setup.

A successful earlier start enabled our arrival at the State Park entrance just before Noon.  The road had not been plowed, but it was evidently still being used, so in we went.  After towing the snowmobile trailer through some rutted 2-3 foot snow drifts we found ourselves at the parking lot.

When we were just about loaded for our trek across the ice, prospector showed up with a friend in tow, but no snowmobile(s).  Dude!  Where’s your sled?  It turns out I don’t communicate well enough and he thought we would be camping near the truck.  With camp over a mile away this was going to be a problem.  We determined that their stuff wasn’t configured for towing, so we parted company and ammondude and I headed out across the lake.  Yes, prospector caught a hog on the day after we left, on the other side of the lake.  :)

With winds blowing at least 15 mph, it was something of a mild ground blizzard.  Even though we have done this before, it still gives me pause to travel on the ice, over a mile from the truck, with a temperature in the teens and an expected low below zero, in a ground blizzard.

At this point it may be good to understand that I have little patience for folks who haphazardly attach items to motor vehicles.  My buddy lost a boat off the roof of his SUV once and I just rolled my eyes and figured it was a bad attachment job.  How can you not attach something successfully to a vehicle?

An additional point that may help is that when we switched over to Jet Sled XLs for the 2016 trip, they didn’t quite hold everything.  We ended up strapping a few things on here and there, and this year was no different.  In fact, it was probably a little worse, because of the new Cabela’s cot pads don’t compress as easily as the old worn-out ones did, and we had a few additions, like the Yeti 150 and lights.

As we crossed the ice in the ground blizzard, I occasionally slowed down to turn around and check Ammondude and get a thumbs-up.  About half way across I turned and he was not there.  After stopping and looking directly behind, I saw him a few hundred yards back, off his snowmobile, picking something up off the ice.  Turns out it was my food cooler.  It had become detached from his rig and scattered all its contents.

By the time I got back there, he had kindly reloaded the cooler, which I then strapped onto my ice fishing sled with a tie down strap and cinched it down hard.  How can you not attach something successfully to a vehicle?

Upon arrival at our chosen site, we found that the wind was somewhat moderated even though it was coming at us from across the ice.  It seems that the steep rise on the shore sheltered us a bit even though the wind was blowing at it from across the lake.  So, despite the wind, we had a fairly easy time setting up the hub shelter.  The trees atop the ridge gave an audible reminder that it was howling up there.  From 00:00:19 to 00:00:36 in this video from prospector, you can see what it was like on the rest of the lake at that time:



By 3:00 p.m., camp was all set up.  Here is a look at the site, taken the next day:

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevelarsen.com%2Fice_shanty%2FHL18A.jpg&hash=60ebd4cafd34384b5419cd2248ffcb03)

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevelarsen.com%2Fice_shanty%2FHL18B.jpg&hash=f721878464a5bbd67f6ea112d60b25d5)

We had a great time catching and releasing small brook trout and rainbow/cutthroat hybrids.  Ammondude was psyched to be catching brookies, even though they were small.   He was also having a total blast using the MarCum lx-6s.  “Hey there’s a fish down at the bottom.  I’ll drop to entice him.  Oh!  Fish on!”

As it got dark I became amazed at the awesome lighting in the shelter.  Ammondude came in and was impressed.  Then I explained that the lights were on low and bumped them up to high.  Wow!  Completely lit the shelter with just two lights.  They have integrated clips and daisy chain together.  Totally, totally sold.  They burn 1W on low and 5W on high.  One more item for which the experimentation, trial, and error are over.

The evening bite continued both inside and outside of the shelter, and we had more fun running for bells outside and jigging inside.

Dinner at about 7:00 p.m. was our traditional brisket sandwich on an onion roll, with the Ziploc-packed brisket reheated in hot water.  Only this time, Ammondude had two sandwiches.  The leftover Christmas brisket was SO GOOD, but I was amazed that anyone could eat two of those.  Time to put Tang in the hot water, and we found the tang was still at home on the table.  D’oh!  Cold Powerade was fine, but I missed my annual hot Tang.  As the evening progressed, Ammondude regretted his second sandwich but his stomach calmed by sleep time.

We had even more fun catching and releasing a few more small hybrids and brookies, using the MarCum and the Aqua-Vu, in the green glow of the Quarrow submersible light.  Soon it was time to call it a day and hit the sack.  By 10:00 p.m. the heater was off and we were cozy.  The temperature was dropping with an expected low of -3 deg F.   We covered the in-shelter holes to help them freeze up less, and as I drifted off to warm sleep, I wondered about the drifted road as the wind continued to make the trees sing.  Not interested in a stuck-truck adventure on the way out.

At 11:11 p.m. I was awoken to the happy sound of a bell ringing on a bouncing rod.  Ding, ding, ding.  I turned on the light from my position in the top bunk, to find that it was my pole.   So I jumped out of bed to catch a 3 lb. cutthroat.

So I’m sitting on a floor pad in my jammies with wet, cold hands and I figure I should at least get a picture of the fish.  Not my best work: 

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevelarsen.com%2Fice_shanty%2FHL18C.jpg&hash=159cdf46d358733bad2d49e62afafc3a)

Just as I finished, Ammondude, without stirring in the bed asked if he should take a pic.  Nah.

I untangled the two lines, re-baited, and went back to bed.

At about 5:20 a.m. ding, ding, ding.  I jump out again to catch and release a small hybrid.  Re-bait, jump back in bed, and as my head hits the pillow, ding, ding, ding.  You gotta be kidding me.  This basically repeats over and over, and before you know it the heater is on and I’m up until about 7:00, catching and releasing small fish and thawing out the worm box that I had left open at 11:00 (yikes).

I gotta get another hour of sleep.  Just as I settle in at 7:00 a.m., ding, ding, ding.  Ammondude, please catch that fish on my pole I’m going to get a little more rest.

I slept in until 8:00 and awoke to a bright and calmer day.  We caught lots of fish and had lots of fun fishing on camera, or “video game fishing” as one of my buddies calls it.  Nothing larger than my 3 lb. cutt, but Ammondude got a 2 lb. cut:

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevelarsen.com%2Fice_shanty%2FHL18D.jpg&hash=75bbf9e1932d96b27ccb7ae2e0a8232c)

… and we kept some brookies that would be between 1 and 2 pounds.  Prospector reported similar results but would stay another night to catch a pig on the third day.

The brook trout were very pretty.

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevelarsen.com%2Fice_shanty%2FHL18E.jpg&hash=84b063ca605dc7d73c91184c6fa3e6fd)

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Yes, most of them went back:



Traditional cold breakfast was delayed from fishing action but it still hit the spot.  Boiled eggs, pre-grilled ham slice, Frusion drink, and granola bar stuff.

I was a bit surprised that the larger volume of the FF9416i (vs. the QF6) took more effort to heat.  I had thought that the insulated cover would offset the larger volume. The Big Buddy with fan on, at High, with closed doors and windows (except ventilation), can make it very comfortable in there, and would defrost the ceiling and most of the walls, but we ran the heater much more than with other trips.  I’ve seen other folks talk about two Big Buddies in a 9416 and I understand it now, but I think we are OK with just the one for now, though we agreed that having a heater was imperative.  We will consider backup or secondary options.  Total propane use: about 2.35 gallons.  Update: Worthington web site says the capacity of that 11 lb tank is 2.6 gallons, so we used something like 90% of our primary propane supply.  My most accurate vendor was closed for repairs, so the used amount is somewhat approximate.

As before, the heater was not run while we were both sleeping, and was not needed for that.  I slept a little too warm at times, and a little cool at others, but was able to adjust in both cases to remain comfortable.

Between the insulated walls and the Big Buddy fan, we had zero ceiling drips for the whole trip.  That was nice.  Maybe we can back off the large towels a bit.  Neither was used this trip.  In fact we only used one of two fishing towels.

After running lights from late afternoon into the night, and intermittently after that, and after charging my phone once, the Yeti 150 still showed 40% capacity available as we put it away.

When we were packing up, the CO detector said the peak reading was 28 PPM, which surprised me as we normally get zero.  However, it alarmed as we unloaded the running SUV at home.  I realized that we had also unloaded the running SUV as we arrived at the lake.  I guess we got some CO exposure but it probably came at the truck and not in the shelter!

Once again I was happy to have the Luggable Loo with us, and the “Double Doodie” bags.  Enough said about that.

Stew and hearty bread for lunch also hit the spot.

Fishing action was so regular that it was a good thing I finally kept a couple of fish, so I could turn some attention to packing.  Ammondude cleaned all the fish.  Thanks, dude!  We were packed up by 3:00 p.m., and it was time to head back to the truck.

By the way, those Cabela’s cot pads are a pain to roll up.  However, we found a great method.  Just put four hands on it instead of two and zip-zip it becomes almost easy.

Up to this point, we had seen only one fisherman, on the second day, about a half mile away.  Jet airplanes overhead at cruising altitude sounded loud.  We had a full 24 hours of peaceful solitude in gorgeous surroundings.  Totally amazing.

This time, we started with my cooler strapped tightly onto the shelter, on top of the box sled.   As before, I checked for a thumbs-up once in a while.  And as before, about half way across Ammondude wasn’t there.  Looking behind I saw him again picking stuff up a few hundred yards back.  It was my cooler, which had bounced off and again exploded its contents onto the ice and snow!  How do you (I) not attach something successfully to a vehicle?

Finally back at the truck, we found a few SUVs in the parking lot and knew the trail out was at least broken.  Indeed, the drive out was uneventful, and we stopped for a picture on the way:

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevelarsen.com%2Fice_shanty%2FHL18G.jpg&hash=064537c19108691be31a3dd3606afdf1)

Having stripped off all our layers for the 2.5-hr ride home, we were both amazed at how cold it was when we stopped for a Big Mac in Idaho Falls.

Although we slept fine, we were kinda tired and it took about 36 hours to fully recover.  I guess sometimes survival alone takes energy.

We both have a feeling of accomplishment and satisfaction, and we both have another trip on which to reflect throughout the coming year.  And we are already anticipating doing it again, though it is a big deal and an annual cadence is probably best for us.  It is a challenge, and it’s hard work, and it is a total blast.

Identified Improvements from Last Year:


-Get the blasted extensions into the cot bags: Permanently stored there.  Don’t use one of these cots without the optional extensions.
-Get the CO detector into the right case: Check.  And it’s good to know the thing works.
-Pack some paper towels in the kitchen bag: Permanent checklist addition.  Check.
-Leave the spare propane tank at home: Total propane usage: ~2.35 gal.
-Take fewer floor panels (like 6): We took 8 and it was the perfect amount for us.
-Cover the inside holes overnight: Much better!  Permanent addition.
-More light: Goal Zero Light-A-Life 350 x 2 is perfect for us, and we will use them on our boat overnighters, too.
-Get an earlier start to enable afternoon fishing on day 1: Much better!  The evening bite was so fun.
-If we return to Henry’s, use the easy access up the shore and ride the shoreline to our spot, rather than fight the more difficult (or private) access that is closer: Check.  No undesired trespassing or stuck-snowmobile adventures.
-Eskimo Fatfish 9416i: We have agreed that this is now our overnight shelter, but that will likely be its only role.  I love the way they integrated the anchor grommets in the skirt.  Much of the frost was on the seams only.  It is shorter inside than the QF6.  It is a heavy beast but quite sturdy.  It is not as easy to pack as the QF6, but we agreed that the original bag will work just fine for us.  The new-style cam straps are very nice and there is a little pocket under each hub to store them.

Do Better or Different Next Time:


-Limit Ammondude to one brisket sandwich :P
-Remember the Tang!  I guess that means re-check the food checklist.
-Add another Jet Sled XL, Shappell HD hitch, cover, and an Otter hitch receiver, to eliminate the remaining strapped-on equipment load.  Ammondude will pull a dual-trailer setup as I already do.  I already purchased the sled and ordered a cover and the hitch receiver.   Watching for sales on the hitch.
-Convert the box sled to use a Shappell HD hitch
-Consider a backup/secondary heat source
-Take a folding stool for the old man sleeping on the top bunk
-Take more and better trip documentation pics
-Record some Aqua-Vu video
-Get a more accurate measurement of propane usage
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: prospector on Jan 13, 2019, 06:05 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed the read! Thanks for sharing and taking the time to make us feel a part of the trip. Next year, I will have the extra brisket sandwich so that no one gets sick. I had to laugh about the fish keeping you up in the morning. They are definitely in a feeding mood that time of day. Camping on the ice is definitely a treat if one is prepared. Loved the visualizations of exploding coolers! We are blessed to have things like that to keep us humble and remind us of our humanity. I will call you at the end of February on my way to Cascade. Maybe we can do lunch!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: RStock521 on Jan 13, 2019, 07:07 PM
Great read, and thank you for sharing your experience.  One of these days, I'm going to overnight and your threads on here about your past experiences are going to help me immensely.  The learning process of gearing up and mastering the experience is half the fun, IMO.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ammondude on Jan 13, 2019, 07:09 PM
I can confirm that a good time was had with FG Steve.

It was nice to meet you prospector. I still gotta see your setup one of these days  ;D

Here are a few more photos to supplement FG Steve's post:

(https://i.postimg.cc/vchSGWNX/FGSteve-Lil-Brookie.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vchSGWNX)
Another small brookie.

(https://i.postimg.cc/gnmT9MNn/Shelter-Jiggin-Setup.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gnmT9MNn)
The camera/flasher setup in the shelter. During the wee hours of the night some guy on the top bunk kept jumping on and off, catching fish the whole night.

(https://i.postimg.cc/pyD66NQw/Small-Hybrid.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pyD66NQw)
Another small hybrid.

Tight lines!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Hutbomber on Jan 13, 2019, 08:43 PM
Great read! Thank you for taking us along. Sounds like you 2 had a great time and made some great memories. It's fun to hear all the things that add up to great trip.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: missoulafish on Jan 14, 2019, 06:11 AM
Great read Steve, thanks for taking the time to share it :)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Jan 16, 2019, 11:37 AM
FG Steve,

Thanks for sharing this years trip, it looked like a great time!  Hawkeye and I have still not made the overnight however we plan on it later in the season.  Hawkeye just fractured/chipped his elbow so that may push our trip even later.  I really like the 9416I and use it unless I am by myself,  it is a little more difficult to stuff in the bag and the stitching on the bag handles has failed.  I am going to have them sewed back on with heavy codura backing on the inside of the bag to help support the stitching.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 16, 2019, 11:51 AM
Prayers and best wishes to Hawkeye.  That elbow stuff can be especially difficult, as my wife can attest.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Jan 16, 2019, 07:07 PM
Prayers and best wishes to Hawkeye.  That elbow stuff can be especially difficult, as my wife can attest.

Steve thank you for your prayers and wishes!

We will know more tomorrow, the good news is that  he is feeling much better today.  I think he is going to be fine in time.  I look forward to our up date later In the season.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: nadamamasboy on Jan 19, 2019, 03:07 PM
Probably been mentioned but having a good 5 gallon bucket John cannot be overemphasized. Some 5 gallon construction bag liners, and a privacy curtain are nice. If it’s in the budget, you can grab a small pop up for a ‘rest area’
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: slipperybob on Jan 19, 2019, 06:55 PM
LOL did that trout just came back out of the hole!  ;D

Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 19, 2019, 10:04 PM
Probably been mentioned but having a good 5 gallon bucket John cannot be overemphasized. Some 5 gallon construction bag liners, and a privacy curtain are nice. If it’s in the budget, you can grab a small pop up for a ‘rest area’

This is what we used on our week long trip.
I had also built a seat with Styrofoam top so yer butt stays toasty. ;)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: timr35 on Jan 20, 2019, 09:34 AM
My shack has a wood stove so no worries of CO , spent a few over nighters in it .
As long as you have food and drinks you can come up with the entertainment !
(https://i.postimg.cc/yD3RxgSL/20181208-165106.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yD3RxgSL)

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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 20, 2019, 09:45 AM
I'm kinda suprised by the number of people that do this and chance possible issues with heaters and stuff. Maybe it's different around here.......but we tend to have more then enough guides with nice ice castle or ice castle type wheel houses that a guy can rent for about $50 a night per person. I would think that at those prices a person can't really justify screwing around with the other way when it comes to safety, comfort, and expense.

I can see we have a bit of a different perspective on this so I'll try to explain.  First on the safety front we used CO detectors so no issues there.

The second part is just a matter of principle...we wanted to do it.  I could own a ice castle and would enjoy that experience as well but it isn't the same.  Done right, you can have a good time out there doing it the way we did it.  I can totally see how it wouldn't be for some people.

I havent gone yet this season.  Soon.

Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: tbern on Jan 20, 2019, 10:52 AM
My shack has a wood stove so no worries of CO , spent a few over nighters in it .
As long as you have food and drinks you can come up with the entertainment !
(https://i.postimg.cc/yD3RxgSL/20181208-165106.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yD3RxgSL).    To be safe you should have a CO detector as wood stoves give off carbon monoxide which could enter into your shack if the venting isn't good or possibly a small leak in the stove itself.
 
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(https://i.postimg.cc/GB79jbY4/20190119-160509.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GB79jbY4)

(https://i.postimg.cc/mcvW4qWd/2016-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mcvW4qWd)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 20, 2019, 03:41 PM
I haven't gone yet this season.  Soon.

Lowaccord!  Good to hear from you.  It will be fun to read the report of your 2019 trip when it comes.  Thanks for starting this thread!

I can totally see how it wouldn't be for some people.

Yeah, it's not for everyone, but we totally enjoy it, as you can hopefully tell.  ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Sylvanboat on Jan 23, 2019, 06:01 PM
My wife thinks you are all nuts.  But she won't even go fishing with me - so what does she know.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 23, 2019, 11:35 PM
Lowaccord!  Good to hear from you.  It will be fun to read the report of your 2019 trip when it comes.  Thanks for starting this thread!

Yeah, it's not for everyone, but we totally enjoy it, as you can hopefully tell.  ;D

Likewise Steve.  When you can do it right and you know you are beating the elements it gives you a feeling that is hard to describe.  When you do it wrong its painfully cold. 

Last year was the warmest lows I ever camped in.  25-27.  Relative humidity 100.  Snow.  Froze my you know what's off.  Dry -6 was much more comfortable. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Kevin23 on Jan 23, 2019, 11:42 PM
Sounds like fun, but I'm not sure I could call it camping.. I'd just be fishing the whole time. Kind of like renting a "sleeper shack" on the ice... I'd just be fishing the entire time, I can sleep when I go home!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Jan 24, 2019, 07:56 AM
Awesome thread! Been reading it for a while now. I think I'll finally be giving this a shot this year, at least twice! The test run will be for a night in front of my friends camp in NH for the Derby. The second trip will be for a long weekend on Champlain!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Jan 24, 2019, 09:11 AM
I haven't really seen this covered yet reading the whole thread, at least not in depth. But what are some of the things you guys pack and prep for food? Easy and quick, minimal clean up, easy to pack, don't take a lot of room etc. I think we're just going to bring a tiny portable grill. we'll only be out for a weekend
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 24, 2019, 10:22 AM
I haven't really seen this covered yet reading the whole thread, at least not in depth. But what are some of the things you guys pack and prep for food? Easy and quick, minimal clean up, easy to pack, don't take a lot of room etc. I think we're just going to bring a tiny portable grill. we'll only be out for a weekend

Our usual on-the-ice, overnight menu covers 3 meals:

All meals have Powerade Zero and Water available.  Hydration is a key to staying warm.

Dinner: Something greasy-gassy to stoke the furnace


-Brisket sandwiches: Brisket vacuum sealed and frozen well in advance, heated in water (still in the sealed vacuum bag), served on onion rolls.  We actually wore nitrile gloves to eat these this year.
-Hot Tang: Made from the water in which the brisket bags were warmed.
-Veggies: Baby carrots and sugar snap peas.

Cold Breakfast: Gotta be quick 'cause this is fishing time.

-Eggs boiled at home, salt, pepper
-Ham slices grilled and vacuum packed at home.  I make a pile of this each season and throw them in the freezer.
-Nature valley granola cups
-Frusion yogurt drinks

Lunch: Important calories for packing out


-Dinty Moore stew
-Dave's Killer bread, "good seed"
-Fruit cups

Extras

-Jerky
-CLIF bars
-Other granola bar items

Most if not all food items stored in a cooler with 2L bottle of water, never freezes.

Current stove is a tiny propane/butane burner that mounts on a disposable canister.

The stew takes the most prep and even that is pretty easy.  A few paper towels to wipe out the pan and cleanup is good enough until home. 

Paper plates, bowls.  Disposable utensils.

I'm eager to hear other menus and get ideas.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Feb 11, 2019, 10:39 AM
As planned, we slept on the ice Thursday Night before the Derby. The plan was to jig for cusk and set cusk traps. We were fishing a super steep drop off on a rocky point in Meredith Bay. I set up by myself before AlMAcdougal could meet me there. I got there around 4:30, set up the insulated Clam 6 man Hub. Only needed 4 tie downs. I put down a tarp, foam floor, then threw in our 2 cots. we had zero degree sleeping bags, warm thermal clothes. It didn't start raining until AFTER I got set up, so that was great!

The Fishing: I probably started fishing around 7:00 by the time I set up, drilled my holes, got bait and put in traps. Al met up with me around 8-8:30. Well the jigging and cusk traps didn't go so well..... we fished water from 25-46 feet. we fished off the point, off the drop off, and even in a 46 foot bowl. Al caught a cusk around 9-10 on a cusk trap in 40ish fow. I caught one first thing in the morning on one of my traps in 40 feet of water on the drop off. the fishing wasn't great, but a fun experience. Unfortunately being dark and raining we didn't take as many pictures as we would have liked. but I've got some here. we jigged until about 11PM with very limited success, chummed and all just couldn't find them. The foam floor and tarp were HUGE for keeping us warm and most importantly, dry! we ran the heater right before bed to change into new clothes and then shut if off before going to bed. That fishing rod with that cusk..... came up with that cusk! I thought I had a giant on. It's funny around 10PM when I made my rounds to check bait on the cusk traps I pulled up a rubber shad lure and thought that was interesting, then out of that same hole I caught a fishing rod!




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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: hounds on Feb 11, 2019, 11:06 AM
Would love to give something like that a try.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: badger132 on Feb 11, 2019, 11:27 AM
I have an icebox, which helps to easily make an igloo using snow you pack in a form. Always wanted to try spending a night on the ice, I might get may chance this week, supposed to get 2 feet on the ice. Not good for fishing, but should make a nice shelter.

https://grandshelters.com/icebox-igloo-tools/
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ammondude on Feb 11, 2019, 11:46 AM
I have an icebox, which helps to easily make an igloo using snow you pack in a form. Always wanted to try spending a night on the ice, I might get may chance this week, supposed to get 2 feet on the ice. Not good for fishing, but should make a nice shelter.

https://grandshelters.com/icebox-igloo-tools/

That sounds like a blast! Having slept in snow caves and other show shelters before, I'd imagine that takes a good while to set up the full igloo. Having enough time to get setup before nightfall would be my main concern, but I bet it would be warm.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FlamDragger on Feb 11, 2019, 11:50 AM
I have an icebox, which helps to easily make an igloo using snow you pack in a form. Always wanted to try spending a night on the ice, I might get may chance this week, supposed to get 2 feet on the ice. Not good for fishing, but should make a nice shelter.

https://grandshelters.com/icebox-igloo-tools/
As a kid, we used to build these every winter! We always used a cardboard box to do the building. Great memories!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Stickhick86 on Feb 11, 2019, 11:53 AM
I have an icebox, which helps to easily make an igloo using snow you pack in a form. Always wanted to try spending a night on the ice, I might get may chance this week, supposed to get 2 feet on the ice. Not good for fishing, but should make a nice shelter.

https://grandshelters.com/icebox-igloo-tools/

Do you use a heat source on the inside or just rely on the igloo insulating your body heat?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: badger132 on Feb 11, 2019, 03:14 PM
Do you use a heat source on the inside or just rely on the igloo insulating your body heat?

We would go snow camping with Boy Scouts every Presidents day weekend. Even if it is 20 below, when you are inside a snow shelter, it is around freezing. With your body heat, it usually ends up close to 30- if you light a candle, the inside starts to melt. We would use a decent 3 season bag, and a closed cell foam pad, all in a bivy sack. A snow shelter is a lot more insulated than even an insulated tent.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Stickhick86 on Feb 12, 2019, 05:27 AM
That is awesome. I was watching videos last night about that tool for making igloos. Looked pretty fun but man is it expensive.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Albertan on Feb 22, 2019, 08:10 PM
Great read!  Thanks for all the info and and stories.  I hope to do this with my son as well, and was referred to this thread by another member. :)

Can I confirm that you guys are laying a tarp on the ice (after clearing a spot for your 9416i), and then putting the foam floor tiles down on top of that?  I think it was asked before, but you've had no significant issue with the tarp freezing in?  Thanks again for the info.  I may not get to doing the overnighter until next season.  But it gives me a head start on the checklist. ;)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Feb 23, 2019, 08:43 AM
Can I confirm that you guys are laying a tarp on the ice (after clearing a spot for your 9416i), and then putting the foam floor tiles down on top of that?  I think it was asked before, but you've had no significant issue with the tarp freezing in? 

In our case, we have some floor covered by tarp, some by foam floor tiles, and some bare.  Haven't had any issues with tarp or pads getting stuck.

We've found that the pads we use provide traction even if the area near the heater melts and ices over.  Tarps can get slick--we use them to put gear on, but not for walking/standing.

Looking forward to hearing about your trip!   Warm sleeping and tight lines.