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Title: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Auger on Oct 24, 2005, 12:20 PM
I had good fishing with the biggest smelt I could find under tip-ups last season.  I'm thinking about building some more quick-strike rigs this week as I have most of the materials lying around and I need to do something ice fishing related.

I'm wondering if any of you have any preferences when building quick-strikes for big baits.  I have some Tyger Wire brand tieable wire that I use for tippet when fly fishing for pike.  I'm thinking about trying a few rigs made out of that.  Have any of you ever build quick-strikes out of tieable wire of any brand?  What about bare sevenstrand vs. nylon coated.  I have some #6 and #8 triple grip trebles that I'd like to use.  Keeping in mind the size of the bait (9-12") do you think those would be the appropiate sizes?

Lastly, anyone ever try those Partridge hooks with the 2 points.  I think thy're European or something.  I'm assuming you put the smaller of the 2 points in the bait and leave the bigger exposed, right?  Opinions?

Thanks
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Water Wolf on Oct 24, 2005, 02:26 PM
  Last winter I purchased a premade quick-strike rig, it has a swivel at the top, and is V shaped, the two hooks are on each end of the V.They are the partrage hooks and the smaller hook does hook into the fish. This type of quick-strike is nice as you can flex the wire V and hook the bait fish so it hangs horizontal,more natural. Since then I have make my own. On way I have made them is to take two steel leader and tie them to your line, attach the hook of choice on the leaders and add the bait.You may also need a small weight above the hooks just to keep the bait down.
Since you already have the tyger wire you could ti two equal lengths of it to a 3-way swivel, and add the hook of choice to the end. It would be the same design as my first one but all one piece. I hope this helped, good luck with your rigs. :)

WW
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: akdg on Oct 24, 2005, 06:38 PM
Auger, last year I made some with Cortland toothy critter, a tie-able leader, but instead of tying it I used the smallest crimps I could find and 1/8 inch surgical tubing to hold the sliding hook in place.  I made up a bunch with different size hooks to match the size bait I was using.  I was very happy with the results and never had any breakoffs and only one crimp that didn't hold.  As far as hook sizes go I think I would go a bit bigger for the baits you are talking about.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Auger on Oct 25, 2005, 08:12 AM
Thanks, akdg.  I'll keep that in mind.  I tried to assemble a couple last night but I need to get smaller crimps.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: iceintheveins on Oct 25, 2005, 09:16 PM
Do yourself a favor and do not use wire. Use heavy P - Line fluorocarbon leader of at least 15 pound test. The heavy stuff is better even.
For baits in the 4 - 8" range, use a pair of #6 gamakatsu trebles. Tie a swivel on the end of your tip up line and then tie a 3 foot section of heavy fluorocarbon to the end of the swivel. Slip on one treble and don't even tie it, just leave it free sliding. Then tie another treble on the end of the line. Place one treble near the tail and one near the head. Smaller hooks and no wire means MORE PIKE!!! I guarantee you this will increase your number of flags.
You can get bit off fishing this way though, but not often at all. Just don't horse the pike too much. When he wants to run, let him. Pike will tire themselves out eventually.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: northdease on Oct 26, 2005, 02:26 PM
i started using the malin no-kink wire and am very happy with it so far. they say it is tieable as well but i felt it was a major pain and started crimping which is much faster and easier. the stuff is very small diameter and invisible in the water, i checked it out down a spearing hole in about 15 FOW and couldnt see it, with crystal clear water. i have made both types in the above replies the single line wuth two trebles and the v-type and like the singe leader with the second hook sliding free, i always make sure i put the secured hook in the baits head. i have had equal success with both rigs though. i think i have the 25lb version. i do use a 4 ft. flourocarbon leader on top of the steel tied to my main tip up line. with this combo in clear water all you see is the swivel between the wire and the flouro. as far as no-kink it has gotten twisted up a couple times but not like the wire leaders you buy wich are usually twisted up after the first fish. i have been using them for about a year now and have had good sucess. hope that helps a little.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: iceintheveins on Oct 26, 2005, 09:22 PM
I use mono - no wire.  I have never used wire.
Been doing so since seeing the quick strike rig on an InFisherman show back in the early 80's or so.
I have never been bit off by a pike on a tipup.
This includes chain pickeral and walleyes.
Gotta be hundreds of fish that coulda bit me off but didn't.
Now I have switched to a low vis mono, I believe it was only 10 lb.
About a dozen pike last year and at least a dozen chain pickeral.
No bite offs.
But, then again, YMMV.
Mac

I bet you got a lot more flags too on mono instead of wire. My flags tripled or quadrupled for pike after ditching the wire. Had one bite off last year.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Water Wolf on Oct 27, 2005, 02:37 AM
One advantage I have found with the steel wire is that it is usually heavy enough to sink the bait. What do you guys use to keep the bait near the bottom, split shot, rubber core sinkers?

WW
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: kerosenecounty17 on Oct 27, 2005, 01:59 PM
I tried the Tiger-leader a few years ago and didn't like it.  The knot strength wasn't very good.  It might have been my knots, but I don't think so.

Now I use braided stainless wire (uncoated).  I use the Surfstrand brand in 12# test.  It's thin and can be tied - with a couple sets of pliers - and the knot strength is very good.  It's more visible than mono, but about the best thing I've found that can't be bitten off.  Only problem with it is it kinks very easily.  I just tie extras and put on a new leader when one gets kinked.  I'm thinking of trying flourocarbon this year. 

WW - If you're talking dead bait like smelt, just shove a couple finishing nails down the bait's throat and it'll sink like a rock.

kc17
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: iceintheveins on Oct 27, 2005, 02:49 PM
One advantage I have found with the steel wire is that it is usually heavy enough to sink the bait. What do you guys use to keep the bait near the bottom, split shot, rubber core sinkers?

WW

I used split shot but I found it better to stuff a split shot in the mouth of my anchovy. Also using pointed nail type sinkers work really well. I think having weight further up the line might cause pike to drop the bait more.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Barleydog on Oct 27, 2005, 04:09 PM
I use nails w/dead baits without the splitshot.  Anything attached to the braided line other than a swivel takes away from it's stealthiness.  Bad in really clear H20.  Like WW said, steel is usually heavy enough to assist in submarining your bait, nails just balance out the lifeless offering for picky pike. 
Tied most of my rigs with sevenstrand.  Crimp the bottom and top hooks, use 2 ft. of leader to a swivel, and tie to the main line.  Used Mason tie able leader, but couldn't keep the kinks out, + the thickness was a hindrance.  Sevenstrand (I think 50 lb. but I'd have to check.) was pretty thin. 8)  Didn't notice a real difference in hookups until late season when fluorocarbon leaders always work better, (for me anyways.)
I snell tie pike leaders using 40 lb. Fluorocarbon, (nothing below 40 lb.!!! 40 lb. works for both bitter weather, and kids!), attached to a 3/0 or 4/0 octopus hook for easy release of both hammerhandles and pigs alike.  It's a real pain unhooking two trebles at 20 below! :tipup:
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Auger on Nov 09, 2005, 03:43 PM
Thanks for all the advice, guys.  I tied up 15 quick-strikes last night over a few cold one's and the first of this year's venison sausage.  Let me just sit a minute and revel in that last sentence......  Anyway, I tied a few of each combination.  P-line, wire, sliding hook, three-way swivel, big hooks, small hooks and two single circle hooks on 40# fluoro.  Hopefully I can catch enough pike this season to come to some sort of conclusion.  Not that I don't trust any of you.  I'd just like to decide for myself.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Barleydog on Nov 09, 2005, 07:41 PM
Auger,
Not circle hooks..... Try Octopus hooks!  I can tell you from experience, circles and pike don't mix.  There's been multiple discussions on IS concerning the use of circles for pike, I wouldn't use them MBOI.  ;)  Glad to see your deer season was successful!
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Auger on Nov 10, 2005, 09:06 AM
Auger,
Not circle hooks..... Try Octopus hooks!  I can tell you from experience, circles and pike don't mix.  There's been multiple discussions on IS concerning the use of circles for pike, I wouldn't use them MBOI.  ;)  Glad to see your deer season was successful!

Just out of couriosity, what was the problem with circle hooks?  I've had great success with them on smallies and cats.  Shouldn't be a problem to clip off the circles and tie on a couple octopus style hooks.  Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Barleydog on Nov 10, 2005, 12:16 PM
No problem!  ;D  Circles wouldn't set into the jaw of the fish.  Their jaws are much to tough and their tooth structure probably acted like speed bumps. ???  I had the same problem fishing for mackerel, barracuda and queenfish in the gulf.  Circles wouldn't allow for a good hookup due to their bony mouth structure.   Octopus hooks on the other hand, did a great job of limiting the amount of gut hooked fish, by setting up on the outer edge of the jaw.  If I'm meat fishing, (I love pike fillets cooked in oil), I'll use the quick strikes or single trebles, but otherwise, I'll stick with the snell tied octopuses.  Don't think I'm an advocate for not using circle hooks!  I use them for halibut, snapper, sea bass and other ocean bottom dwellers ... Oh yeah! even salmon.  They all have the same physical make-up that allows for a good corner mouth hook-up that eliminates the infamous gut hook.  Just won't use them on pike. ;)  Anyways, good luck and let us know how you do! -Jim
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Auger on Nov 10, 2005, 12:23 PM
Thanks Barleydog.  One more question.  I'm assuming I should use the normal hookset when using octopus hooks, not the slow, steady pull employed with circles.  Is that correct?
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Barleydog on Nov 10, 2005, 11:28 PM
Right on Auger!  Set away... 
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: GAMBELL on Nov 12, 2005, 05:22 AM
I USED MONO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON LAST YEAR AND HAD MORE FLAGS.  I WENT BACK TO LEADERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON (WAS AFRAID OF BREAKING OFF BIG PIKE).  THIS SEASON I WILL USE 20-30LB. SEAGAR FLOROCARBON LEADER WITH A TREBLE HOOK / OCTOPUS QUICK STRIKE RIG.  LAST YEAR I LANDED A 41" AND 38" PIKE ON 15 LB. SEAGAR, BUT GOT A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT LOOSING FISH OF THIS QUALITY.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Water Wolf on Nov 18, 2005, 02:42 PM
I read about another way to build a rig similar to a quick-strike, here is how they say to do it.
1.Materials: Herring or smelt, gorge hook and threading needle.
2.Thread the gorge hook cable to the needle.
3.Thread the needle through the bait, mouth first to tale end.
4.Pull tight so the 2 prong of the hook line up with sides of the mouth.
5.Place a single prong hook through tail end of bait, then loop cable through the eye of the hook twice.
6.Make at least 6 of these set-ups and store in freezer bags.

If anyone tries this rig, let me know how you do with it. :tipup: ;)

WW
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: meatman on Nov 21, 2005, 04:25 PM
there is a really good article in this months IN-FISERMAN on quick rigs... i was using 15# spiderwire for my rigs last year, had a few bite offs went to 50# no bite offs but fewer flags gonna use both this year and see if i can draw a conclusion.  any help would be apreciated. out. :tipup: :tipup: :tipup: :tipup: :tipup:
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Reel Wet Ride on Nov 30, 2005, 02:26 PM
I just finished reading the article in In-Fisherman. It actully prompted me to tie some quick-strike rigs. Let me tell you what is NOT a good idea. Nylon covered wire. I'd rather use 20lb mono than that stuff again. I think I'm with the masses on this topic, USE HEAVY FLOROCARBON!
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: iceintheveins on Nov 30, 2005, 05:44 PM
I just finished reading the article in In-Fisherman. It actully prompted me to tie some quick-strike rigs. Let me tell you what is NOT a good idea. Nylon covered wire. I'd rather use 20lb mono than that stuff again. I think I'm with the masses on this topic, USE HEAVY FLOROCARBON!

Doug Stange is wrong on this one, wire will almost always greatly reduce strikes. However, I was glad to see in that article that they are at least contemplating using fluorocarbon this year. I guarantee more flags if you use fluoro, maybe a great deal more flags.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: grumpymoe on Nov 30, 2005, 06:44 PM
Doug Stange is wrong on this one, wire will almost always greatly reduce strikes. However, I was glad to see in that article that they are at least contemplating using fluorocarbon this year. I guarantee more flags if you use fluoro, maybe a great deal more flags.
....are you saying that Doug Stange doesn't know what he's talking about??.....gimme and everyone else here a break....please....Gru mp
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: akdg on Nov 30, 2005, 07:10 PM
I have to agree that mono/floro is better at getting pike to strike, but if you're fishing for big pike (10-20+lbs) in heavy cover (weeds/logs) and you want to have a decent chance at landing them, you need to use wire of some sort imo. Even more so when using quick-strikes because the line is going across their mouths most the time when hooked, not swallowed and out the corner like with english hooks, etc.  You get a bunch of weeds on your line and a 20lb pike and your chances of landing her on mono/floro are not very good.  Guess what I'm trying to say is that no one way is the right way, you need to use what works best for the conditions you are facing at the time. ;)
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: grumpymoe on Nov 30, 2005, 07:36 PM
the great debate that I can't stay away from.....firstly.....I am going to state my own opinion about quick-strikes.....gorge hooks and other similar setups.....we fish barbless in Manitoba....and have for years....my home province still allows barbs....when I fish there....its barbless...just a matter of choice and sportsmanship.....alot of provinces and states have slot size regulations....and what irks me, is gorge hooks that fished as intended, will mostly deepthroat hook trophy fish that should be released.....not a good idea in my opinion.....quickstrik es guarantee more hooksets no doubt....but I choose to see the odd one throw the hook...its sportsmanship.....yeah .....I might cuss abit when I lose a good fish...but thats fishing.....just thought I would throw out a pic of what I use and tell me what the odds are of having a large fish slice through 2 strands of light mono????....floro????...or whatever else you might want to try.....when I land a nice northern or toothy that grinds abit of the line....I simply dump it for fresh.....take a look....Grump   (I'll fix that pic later                                                                                              (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi15.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa398%2Fgrump606%2Fdoublemono.jpg&hash=d141bfaf71bfa38100d77316d7c0faee)
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: akdg on Nov 30, 2005, 07:55 PM
Hey Grump, are you saying that quick strikes=gorge hooks?  I have switched to quick strikes because if you fish them properly and are close to your tipups and hit them asap you hook them right in the tongue/jaw most the time making for a very easy release.  I agree on the gorge/english hook set up, not good if you want them to live to fight another day.  Where do you hook most of the fish you get with that rig?  I can see that being barbless would definitely make for easier removal if they swallow it.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: grumpymoe on Nov 30, 2005, 08:12 PM
Hey Grump, are you saying that quick strikes=gorge hooks?  I have switched to quick strikes because if you fish them properly and are close to your tipups and hit them asap you hook them right in the tongue/jaw most the time making for a very easy release.  I agree on the gorge/english hook set up, not good if you want them to live to fight another day.  Where do you hook most of the fish you get with that rig?  I can see that being barbless would definitely make for easier removal if they swallow it.
you betcha...quickstrikes fished on tipups....and given the right fish (big) will inhale the presentation......gorg e hooks are sometimes rigged the same way.....stingers.....a ll I am stating is My Opinion.....I catch my fair share of keepers and trophies.....and when I can release them with no doubt about surviving.....makes for a better day on the water....the double mono or whatever combination you want to make of what I use...ensures one thing...even if throat hooked, I can remove the hook from behind the gill to live another day....its just my choice......and my opinion on sportsmanship.....Grum p
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Barleydog on Nov 30, 2005, 08:29 PM
Grump ya ol' codger!  Looks like you were enjoying a couple Kokonees when you took that photo! ;D :D  I agree with you 100% concerning the use of single hooks vs. quick strikes!  I prefer the use of singles to quick strikes due to higher mortality rate.  This debate about quick strikes vs. other rigs will haunt us forever eh!  I can't think of a better way to catch a pike than with a quick strike, however, IMHO it can cause great harm to those hammer handles that un-intentionally bite our rigs.  I use 10" herring and still manage the occasional 15" pike!  Kinda like trapping, you really can't stop possums from staggering into your fox set, they gotta eat too...  If you use a large enough single hook, (in my case a 4/0 octogirlything), ya really can't hook up with these small fish.  Sportsmanship is something we should all ponder, good on ya Grump! ;)

Mackdaddy,  I agree, and will go one step farther!  Doug Stange is an idiot and should be banned from the fishing elite!  Are you serious? ???  He's correct in his assesment.  Never go into battle carrying a swiss army knife!  
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: grumpymoe on Nov 30, 2005, 08:43 PM
Grump ya ol' codger!  Looks like you were enjoying a couple Kokonees when you took that photo! ;D :D  I agree with you 100% concerning the use of single hooks vs. quick strikes!  I prefer the use of singles to quick strikes due to higher mortality rate.  This debate about quick strikes vs. other rigs will haunt us forever eh!  I can't think of a better way to catch a pike than with a quick strike, however, IMHO it can cause great harm to those hammer handles that un-intentionally bite our rigs.  I use 10" herring and still manage the occasional 15" pike!  Kinda like trapping, you really can't stop possums from staggering into your fox set, they gotta eat too...  If you use a large enough single hook, (in my case a 4/0 octogirl thingy), ya really can't hook up with these small fish.  Sportsmanship is something we should all ponder, good on ya Grump! ;)

Mackdaddy,  I agree, and will go one step farther!  Doug Stange is an idiot and should be banned from the fishing elite!  Are you serious? ???  He's correct in his assesment.  Never go into battle carrying a swiss army knife!  
.....the auto focus must have been out of focus when I snapped the pic....Stange....I think he really likes some of the good work that our friend has provided him with.....actually...he really admires his bucket biology work.....great job these hillbillies do...Grump
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: akdg on Nov 30, 2005, 09:17 PM
So Grump,  You just let them swallow it and then deal with it, which is made easier by the barbless hook? 
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: grumpymoe on Nov 30, 2005, 09:37 PM
So Grump,  You just let them swallow it and then deal with it, which is made easier by the barbless hook? 
....please....as I said...when I get the odd one that decides to inhale the bait, I have a better chance of disgorging the hook from the gill side without harming the fish.....this is an endless discussion with sportsmanship....and I dont discourage anyone from using any of the techniques posted.....just my choice.....and yes.......not one fish released that left doubt in my mind as to survival.......regards to everyone who posted on this topic....Grump
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Reel Wet Ride on Dec 01, 2005, 04:11 PM
I won't comment specificially on STANGE, but the In-Fisherman mag in general only has about 1 topic or article in any given issue that is of any use to me. Don't get me wrong, I love what they do, their TV program is top notch, but how many times to I have to see or read about catching smallies on gobie-like tubes? Teach me how to catch eyes in wstn. erie during the height of the mayfly hatch and I'll listen!
FYI K-zoo should be fishable in 2 weeks or less!!!!
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: archbishop on Dec 04, 2005, 08:06 AM
I read about another way to build a rig similar to a quick-strike, here is how they say to do it.
1.Materials: Herring or smelt, gorge hook and threading needle.
2.Thread the gorge hook cable to the needle.
3.Thread the needle through the bait, mouth first to tale end.
4.Pull tight so the 2 prong of the hook line up with sides of the mouth.
5.Place a single prong hook through tail end of bait, then loop cable through the eye of the hook twice.
6.Make at least 6 of these set-ups and store in freezer bags.

If anyone tries this rig, let me know how you do with it. :tipup: ;)

WW

WW, i have never used this technique but have heard of it and talked to people that have. basically i was told that it works good but not good enough to justify all the extra BS, i would have to agree, if your say a fly fisherman and dont need to make anymore flies and need something to do with your hands, or say a cool project to show your kids how to make or something like that it may be worth while to do it, but me personally, i am just gonna stick to the quick strike rig and sardines.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Water Wolf on Dec 04, 2005, 06:38 PM
Yeah thats just what I read in a magazine, I to use the quick-strike rigs or just a single treble center punched through the smelt/minnow.:P
Grump I like your double strand rig I,may have to make a few like that. It would be great with fluorocarbon. It's clear but still strong. I to use barbless.
The photo is a bit fuzzy what is that black thing near the top?
How do you rig the bait on your single hooks?

WW
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: grumpymoe on Dec 04, 2005, 07:13 PM
its split shot...sorry about the fuzzy pick i promised to repost.....it really depends on the bite...aggressive hits...through the mouth and in the side.....sometimes just through the tail.....most of the time just behind the dorsel under the skin.....keeps them moving around....Grump
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: iceintheveins on Dec 05, 2005, 02:48 AM
....are you saying that Doug Stange doesn't know what he's talking about??.....gimme and everyone else here a break....please....Gru mp
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I actually like Doug Stange and have corresponded with him for years. But he's not correct on everything. No one is. Not me or you either.
Just because I disagree with something he says or one of his theories doesn't mean I think he doesn't know what he is talking about or that he's just full of it. Probably almost half of the things he says have made a much better fishermen out of me, and that goes for all of In Fishermen. It's NOT infallible and NOT EVERY tactic works.
Grump, you are the one who needs to give me a break. I am simply expressing my opinion in a tactful manner and you are acting like I'm guilty of blasphemy. Why can't the two of us just get along and agree to disagree?
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Bo on Dec 05, 2005, 10:00 AM
This weekend we built some QS rigs based on some of the helpful info on this board.
We had some 30# fluorocarbon, so we used about 2' of this (maybe more).
We bent the eye of a size 6 treble (so that it hangs parallel to the fluoro leader) and slid it on the leader.
Then we slid on a bead under it followed by one of those little rubber bobber stops.
The bobber stop can be slid up and down, so you can adjust the position of the upper treble without using shrink tubing.
This works great.  Hard to get the bobber stop on the thick leader, and it wrecks the bottom section of the leader, which you have to cut off.
But it is a really slick way to do it.
Then we just tied another treble on the end of the leader.
A spinner with beads and a clevis can be added above the rig using the same bobber stop idea, so that you can move the spinner close to the bait or several inches above, as desired.

Looked like a really good homemade QS rig.  We tried it out.... no fish that day.  They were not biting at all.
We used the movable trebles to rig medium sized tullibee, and also tried putting a salted minnow on each of the trebles spacing them out a few inches.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Auger on Dec 05, 2005, 10:49 AM
Sounds cool, Bo.  Very creative.  I might try it with the knotted bobber stops.  Should be easier on the leader.  I love all the ideas that come off this forum.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: iceintheveins on Dec 05, 2005, 08:05 PM
I won't comment specificially on STANGE, but the In-Fisherman mag in general only has about 1 topic or article in any given issue that is of any use to me. Don't get me wrong, I love what they do, their TV program is top notch, but how many times to I have to see or read about catching smallies on gobie-like tubes? Teach me how to catch eyes in wstn. erie during the height of the mayfly hatch and I'll listen!
FYI K-zoo should be fishable in 2 weeks or less!!!!

That is true, but they have given me lots of ideas and new tackle and lures to try and use. So a lot of what they say is good advice. However you are right. They concentrate primarly on the Canadian Shield area and Great Lakes, far too much. Fishing conditions, especially in the West, render a lot of In Fishermen tactics either useless or needing to be adjusted for the area.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: grumpymoe on Dec 05, 2005, 09:03 PM
That is true, but they have given me lots of ideas and new tackle and lures to try and use. So a lot of what they say is good advice. However you are right. They concentrate primarly on the Canadian Shield area and Great Lakes, far too much. Fishing conditions, especially in the West, render a lot of In Fishermen tactics either useless or needing to be adjusted for the area.
....and what does this have to do with quick-strike rigs or the discussion????.....its starting....pardon me....incessantly boring to hear how Colorado and the western fishing waters are completely opposite to what most of the angling world regards as typical.....start your own fishing show so we can tune in...or tune out.....Grump
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: iceintheveins on Dec 05, 2005, 11:46 PM
....and what does this have to do with quick-strike rigs or the discussion????.....its starting....pardon me....incessantly boring to hear how Colorado and the western fishing waters are completely opposite to what most of the angling world regards as typical.....start your own fishing show so we can tune in...or tune out.....Grump

I was responding to what he said was all.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Yooper on Dec 11, 2005, 02:19 PM
Quick, Question,

I try and keep my bait horizontal (SMELT) when fishing for pike. Does it really matter ???            Any Info appreciated
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Auger on Dec 12, 2005, 08:51 AM
Quick, Question,

I try and keep my bait horizontal (SMELT) when fishing for pike. Does it really matter ???            Any Info appreciated
I try to keep my dead baits horizontal unless I'm resting them on the bottom.  I think it makes a difference.  Others may think differently.
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: grumpymoe on Dec 12, 2005, 10:38 AM
I agree....any bait suspended should rest horizontally......dead baiting the bottom will attract the pike looking for a meal it doesnt have to chase.....au natural whatever ways its presented...Grump
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Master Angler on Dec 12, 2005, 07:53 PM
Hey there grump buddy, I just thought I would throw in my opinion too on QS rigs and there hookups from what I've experienced, I just couldn't resist. For the rest of you I also fish manitoba, and have been using QS rigs with barbless hooks for years on large pike.  When my flag goes off in the lake I fish, 95% of the time it is a large pike 34" plus, I rarely hook small ones using large bait in this lake.  I have been fishing this way for about the past five years or more and have landed dozens and dozens of large pike and can only recall of one incident in which a pike around 32-34" swallowed my bait deep and had to be kept.  All the rest I have ever caught are hooked in the corner of the mouth and very easy to remove with the barbless hooks some even spit the hook when they hit the ice.  On other lakes where I fish smaller pike a QS rig definitely deep hooks more fish, and on these lakes I usually fish the pike to keep a few to eat.  And a gorge hook rig and QS are not even close in my opinion although I haven't used gorge hooks much, I just think a gorge hook has to be swallowed too much to get a hook-up, different than the QS rigs.  And thats my opinion.  :)
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Reel Wet Ride on Dec 13, 2005, 12:19 PM
Grump, sir, is there something about this thread that just puts a bad taste in your mouth? I know that it is hard to get a real accurate idea of how someone intends to come off reading what they say as opposed to listening to them say it, but as I read your posts it seems to me as though you are coming off as, well, grumpy. I believe the basis of this forum is to allow a group of people with similar interests to come together and share information. However, this isn't science and this isn't math, its fishing. A tactic based activity. There is no defined right or wrong way to approach it. I for one appreciate this website and the knowledge I can obtain from its members, including you. I only hope that I can provide an equal amount of knowledge in return.

That being said, back to topic. It was my understanding the the premise for the Quick Strike Rig was 1) Increase the number of hook ups and 2) Reduce the number of deeply hooked fish. Isn't the idea to use two hooks so that instead of waiting for the fish to inhale to bait completly into its mouth (and even its throat) you can set the hook immediatly, increasing the chance of hooking the fish in its mouth or outside of the mouth? Its this idea that sparked me to make this my set-up for pike fishing. If this is false, and you guys find that you mortaly wound more fish this way than with the standard set up, please let me know.   
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: grumpymoe on Dec 13, 2005, 03:57 PM
its no worse than any other type of setup.....the only reason I stated my opinion and preference was for one reason....being able to release trophy and overslot sized fish period....If you are ontop of your game and not dozing off in a warm shanty with a tipup thats 100' away when the flag goes off then there's no problem....just a question to ponder......How many times have you been out fishing around other anglers with tipups and you see one go off????...ever remember someone preoccupied and takes 2-5 minutes to get to the rig???....wonder if the the fish has mostly swallowed the bait??...good chance...anyways....as I said...its just my preference and I dont have a problem with anybody fishing quickstrikes.....Grump
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: jackbear on Dec 19, 2005, 02:47 PM
Anybody got a picture of one of these rigs, I'm a visual learner I guess.

Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: grumpymoe on Dec 19, 2005, 04:08 PM
Anybody got a picture of one of these rigs, I'm a visual learner I guess.


...check the thread below..."dead bait presentation"...some good pics and success stories....Grump
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Water Wolf on Dec 19, 2005, 11:41 PM
MasterAngler for consistently 32-34 inch fish what size of bait do you like to use? :-\

WW
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: Sir Landsalot on Jan 05, 2006, 10:01 AM
Jackbear:  Her's what I have been using: 4' of 40 lb. fluorocarbon, the front hook is a Gamakatsu #2 octopus with heat-shrink tubing to help hold it in place, and a Gamakatsu #6 treble in the stern. 

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv721%2Fchuckp%2FQuickStrike.jpg&hash=0f35190c87b24982126b0e0510eecd95)
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: reubenpa on Jan 08, 2006, 08:04 PM
....and what does this have to do with quick-strike rigs or the discussion????.....its starting....pardon me....incessantly boring to hear how Colorado and the western fishing waters are completely opposite to what most of the angling world regards as typical.....start your own fishing show so we can tune in...or tune out.....Grump



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Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: fishy99 on Jan 12, 2006, 02:51 PM
Well today I built about 5 quick strikes using two #6 treble hooks with one attached to the 3 feet of 15 pound line and the other attached with a sliding slip knot to the main 15 pound line. This allows for adjustable bait size. I am hopefully going to get to try them this weekend on some tip-ups at the strap. I hope they work as well as everyone says. I will report back later with an image of the rig and hopefully with some nice weed shark pics. Good luck everyone. I love this site.  ;)
Title: Re: Building Quick-Strikes
Post by: icejunky on Jan 12, 2006, 03:58 PM
Sirlandsalot..that is a nice set-up..I tired one similar to it, but it was not a good rig..I lucked out though local guys sells in the bait shop..$2...pre-rigged Ontario Stlye  (1 treble, 1 Single Hook)..Much easier then putting on together