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Ice Fishing Tips -Check your local regulations! => Equipment => Topic started by: tziegert14 on Mar 02, 2010, 06:08 AM
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One of gems of getting old is memory lost! I was watching a vid of people trout fishing with these auto hook sitting holders. I remember the Slammer as one and the other looker like a smaller red unit which for the love of me forgot who made them. If anyone can supply the name of that unit I would appreciate it.
Thanks - Ted
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automatic fisherman is the one i belive you are refering to
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It's called the Automatic Fisherman.
I have a couple, and they work great. I like the ease of use, setup and take down in a couple of minutes.
Here's their website : www.automaticicefisherman.com (http://www.automaticicefisherman.com)
Hope this helps,
Wiener
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It's called the Automatic Fisherman.
I have a couple, and they work great. I like the ease of use, setup and take down in a couple of minutes.
Here's their website : www.automaticicefisherman.com (http://www.automaticicefisherman.com)
Hope this helps,
Wiener
Thanks Guys!
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I made my own.
Idea's came from online forums which I modified for my needs.
Here's some pictures.
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb153/CanWoodsman/Selfsettingtip-up002.jpg)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb153/CanWoodsman/Selfsettingtip-up003.jpg)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb153/CanWoodsman/Selfsettingtip-up011.jpg)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb153/CanWoodsman/Selfsettingtip-up008.jpg)
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Two that I made.
(http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh354/upstatebass2/HPIM0836.jpg)
(http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh354/upstatebass2/IMG_0034-1.jpg)
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Heres the one I put together
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee250/gasman707/DSCN0098.jpg)
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Hi all.
Here's a Slammer I made ( with spare parts) this summer.
Designed to straddle a 10 inch hole.
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2uempzc.jpg)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/ajwis2.jpg)
Take Care all.
AltaIce . 8)
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I think these are/used to be unlawful in MN. I tried to look in the regulations book, but I didn't find it. I'm not a fan of them either way.
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here is mine. been using it since the mid 90's.
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj218/pooley_photos/026_26.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj218/pooley_photos/020_20-1.jpg)
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Here's mine I just designed this weekend
(http://www.myfishingpictures.com/data/500/medium/IMG_4281.JPG)
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Hey Idaho.
I like your design, and I bet it works like a dream as well.
I took mine apart... LOL... when Ya look at mine straight on it just did not look good... LOL.
Your looks great and much smaller than mine. ( I also like Pooley's as well)
Can you get a closer shot of how you have your rod tip is hooked and how it releases?
Thanks..
8)
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I have had the automatic fisherman for a few years now. It sees limited ice time, but it has it;s place. Even if not setting the hookset feature, it is a good rod holder for a deadstick
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The hook release is very simple. It's a screw hook straightened out and angled enought to hold the rod tip by the eye with the line sliding in a grove in the end of the pvc. When the fish tightens the line it pull the pvc down which in turn causes the rod eye to slip off where it's hooked.
(http://www.myfishingpictures.com/data/500/medium/IMG_42821.JPG)
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the fish hooks itself on this simple design.
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj218/pooley_photos/021_21-1.jpg)
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The hook release is very simple. It's a screw hook straightened out and angled enought to hold the rod tip by the eye with the line sliding in a grove in the end of the pvc. When the fish tightens the line it pull the pvc down which in turn causes the rod eye to slip off where it's hooked.
(http://www.myfishingpictures.com/data/500/medium/IMG_42821.JPG)
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Thanks idahopanfish
I can see it now. Thanks again for showing us.
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the fish hooks itself on this simple design.
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj218/pooley_photos/021_21-1.jpg)
Still trying to figure out how you use that side planner on the ice ????? LOL
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woodsman where did you get your red rod holders at. thank you.
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IIRC it was at the local WalMart.
Looks like upstate bass2 also has the same ones. Maybe he can be more sure where he got his?
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Got the red rod holder at wal-mart also. No one else had them , I do hate giving wal-mart any business. I think I am going to change the trigger on my larger version to work like my smaller one. The smaller one is more reliable .
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I can't seem to find it anywhere on MN DNR website or the regulations book..Is this hook set rod method legal or illegal in MN?
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I can't seem to find it anywhere on MN DNR website or the regulations book..Is this hook set rod method legal or illegal in MN?
Go to the "Slammer" website,-->http://www.slammertipup.com/faq.html (http://www.slammertipup.com/faq.html)
Scroll down and read the red print-you can use one, but only in freespool! Defeats the purpose , turning it into a rod-holder
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Huh! Didn't know that. Thanks for the info. Now..I'm trying to understand this clearly, as this stated on the slammer website..
"Q: Are Slammer Tip-Ups legal to use in the state of Minnesota??
A: Yes!! You must leave your bail open and/or line spool in freespool mode. You can not use your Slammer Tip-Up in the conventional way according to the "directors" of the Minnesota DNR.
We have yet to hear of ANYONE IN MINNESOTA receiving a ticket or going to court over the use of a Slammer Tip-Up. We have heard that Conservation Officers are telling people that they can't use them.
The State of Minnesota has a rule that makes "spring devices that impale, hook, or capture fish" illegal to use for fishing and has classified the fishing rod held under compression and used in conjuction with a Slammer Tip-Up - a spring. Wouldn't this make downriggers and possibly ALL FISHING POLES illegal to use also?
97C.325 RESTRICTIONS ON TAKING FISH.(a) Except as specifically authorized, a person may not take fish with:(4) spring devices that impale, hook, or capture fish.
(c) The commissioner may, by rule, allow the use of a nonmotorized device with a recoil mechanism to take fish through the ice.
Unfortunately, there is no "commissioner" anymore and there is instead a group of "directors"."
What you mean by "freespool mode" that would mean leaving the flywheel flip over open, free of line..right?
Oh boy..this like a very fine line here..It's like I need to print out this info and keep it with me in case a conservation officer show up, and I'd show him the note.
I'm a bit "lazy" to built my own hook set platform..I'm interested in this Automatic Fisherman type..http://www.automaticicefisherman.com/ (ftp://http://www.automaticicefisherman.com/) Would this be legal if I leave the flipover open on the flywheel making it "freespool mode" making it a tip up type or a rod-holder?
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Here is what I made, I call it the "Awe Toe Set". Used it for the first time today, caught an 18" Rainbow. :icefish:
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l552/AweToeSet/2011-01-11113328.jpg)
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l552/AweToeSet/2011-01-11113348.jpg)
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l552/AweToeSet/2011-01-13083759.jpg)
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l552/AweToeSet/2011-01-13092457.jpg)
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Here is what I made, I call it the "Awe Toe Set". Used it for the first time today, caught an 18" Rainbow. :icefish:
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l552/AweToeSet/2011-01-11113328.jpg)
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l552/AweToeSet/2011-01-11113348.jpg)
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l552/AweToeSet/2011-01-13083759.jpg)
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l552/AweToeSet/2011-01-13092457.jpg)
I see the Awe Toe Set is for sale on eBay?
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this is the one i recently built...
(http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt349/Duneman101/lipper.jpg)
(http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt349/Duneman101/lipper2.jpg)
(http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt349/Duneman101/lippertrigger.jpg)
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If some of you guys wanted to cut down on the weight of your contraptions... just take a trigger mechanism(bent wire) like Awe Toe Set's, tie a shoe lace or any piece of string to where the split ring is connected and tie it back to your rod holder. I use the little spring clamp things that are used on hood strings and what not so I can adjust the length of the string to fit any length of rod or to adjust the hook set power.
With this set-up all you need is a rod holder, string, and trigger which weighs less and packs up nicer.
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Got a picture?
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This may not be the best design, but it does involve bending wire, so, it's not all bad. :woot: :roflmao:
Questions?
Coat-hanger wire is just one way to bend up the trigger. Start with the 90 degree bend for the trigger and leave no tool-mark, as that must be smooth.
(http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd436/Idahogator/P1100005.jpg)
(http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd436/Idahogator/P1100006.jpg)
That thing hanging on the line is an 8" piece of bright colored trail flagging ~ much eaiser to work with than a float, as some folks use. It lets the fish run a little before the surprising hook-set.
(http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd436/Idahogator/P1110005.jpg)
Put the ice screw in first to anchor the base, then stretch out the string and trigger and mark the ice for the center of the ice hole at the "V"notch in the trigger.
(http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd436/Idahogator/P1110001.jpg)
Open the bail, put the hook/lure/bait a few feet down the ice hole. Then bend the pole and set the trigger. Always stay to one side while you carefully adjust the depth of bait.
Special note: That wire attached to the top guide frame is plastic coated and the square knot pulled tight, is away from the line. A loop of STRONG string will do just as well.
(http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd436/Idahogator/P1110004.jpg)
Most importantly, check your regulations.
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wow idaho that looks way more convenient then having the pieces of wood. could you get a picture of your set up with rod and reel? which style rod holder do you use?
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The rod holder is a piece of 1 1/4" pvc pipe attached to a 16" 1x4 that gets anchored to the ice, behind the pvc, with a screw-anchor. A screw-eye towards the front end gets the string loop.
This is just the "working model". A coiled wire rod holder is much easier to stick in one of various angled holes in the base for different pole angles.
See above post for modifications and additions.
Questions?
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thanks for the pics guys i just finished building 3 today. total cost for all 3 ways 2.50! i had to buy 6 inch eye bolts with nuts and 3 additional nuts. the rest of the materials i had laying around. tested them out with numerous rods and all seemed to work fairly well. they are not hair trigger by any means but think they will get the job done. only time will tell.
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Boder, if you'll set the pole,(carefully) and look from the side, at the trigger, whatever kind you've gone with, and note which direction to move/bend for easier release, by going slowly, you should be able fine tune, for a lighter set-off.
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The rod holder is a piece of 1 1/4" pvc pipe attached to a 16" 1x4 that gets anchored to the ice, behind the pvc, with a screw-anchor. A screw-eye towards the front end gets the string loop.
This is just the "working model". A coiled wire rod holder is much easier to stick in one of various angled holes in the base for different pole angles.
See above post for modifications and additions.
Questions?
I was thinking of something similar. I was planning on PVC all the way around. If it was up to me, I'd put the anchor in the front, and use it to attach the trigger. I was also wondering if you get good hook sets? Seems to me with the set up you're showing that the rod is bent way back behind the trigger. Lots of movement before the slack is taken up. If the trigger was straight below the rod tip it would have less slack.
Fishrmn
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This is a copy cat model i made and it sure does work.
(http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z362/rlvb/DSC03190.jpg)
(http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z362/rlvb/DSC03196.jpg)
(http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z362/rlvb/DSC03191.jpg)
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I was thinking of something similar. I was planning on PVC all the way around. If it was up to me, I'd put the anchor in the front, and use it to attach the trigger. I was also wondering if you get good hook sets? Seems to me with the set up you're showing that the rod is bent way back behind the trigger. Lots of movement before the slack is taken up. If the trigger was straight below the rod tip it would have less slack.
Fishrmn
I've found the fish is going away, has already traveled a few feet, has the hook/lure/bait well engaged, has tasted it, is hanging on well and the trillionth of a second, if any, lag time to be negligible. Sharp or dull hooks are BURIED beyond the barb.
If you just think of the leverage and stability of the rear placement of the screw anchor, you'll come to understand it's advantage there. As far as negating the screw-eye, they're very inexpensive and it does the job.
I used and changed these for some time now, they don't miss( unless loose or hanging bait). It's just an idea that works well for me. Change it as you would like, even though the planning and refinement has taken a while.
On a side note, only one trout was not hooked in the mouth ~ it was hooked cross-ways through the nose about 1/4" up it's head, past the barb. The quick firing of this rig is almost impossible to dodge.
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I would challenge the ruling, I do not see any springs on the devices. Ask this "if during open water I am using a rig from the shore with a sinker above the hook and the sinker lodged on the bottom is holding tension on the rod and a fish takes the bait, unlodges the sinker and the rod springs back, is this also against the law?" Looks like the same thing to me. Lots of luck guys.
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It's just a tip-up. ;)2
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they are not hair trigger by any means but think they will get the job done. only time will tell.
The longer the trigger the lighter the pull, i found this when making mine, i actually have 3 different triggers that i carry out with me, they swap out pretty easy too. though even with the shortest trigger i've never missed a bite.
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This is what I'm gonna try when we get some Ice.
(http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae287/RichGross/DadsPics026.jpg)
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Hounds, you genius, let us know when it fires and releases.
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Hopefully can give you a report on Tuesday gator if things stay frozen around here.
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Your weather is lookin' good for some ice.
Nice simple design. May need to keep it back from the hole for a more forward pull to set it off.
Good luck Hounds.
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Might be to simple, but thanks Gator will see.
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(http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii603/boder66/autopike.jpg)
It works! this is the second pike i have gotten with my homemade auto fisherman. a nice fat 28 in pike. pretty satisfying.
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Good show Boder ! That one musta taken the rod tip into the hole, ha. :woot:
I see now, with the shorter rod and no string, just the trigger on the screw eye. Did the rod-holder end raise up a bit from the ice?
Do you have any words about the thrill of seeing the rod bending to a fish, with a device you built yourself?
Congrats on success. :thumbsup:
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Man these are the coolest. I just gota build me some.... this would be a good time I think.
Thanks for the pics and ideas guys. I hope to get something to share soon.
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i built my "trout/perch tamer" on the same platfrom as the steelie slammer, so its pretty much a steelie slammer but im going to use it for trout and perch/ crappie!! gotta get pics soon, i took an old flag and put it on my pole!
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i have been leary bout the base moving around and losing a rod down the hole but nothing like that has happened so far, so knock on wood. i now have a ton of confidence in these things though. it is very gratifying to know that i built it. got really nice hook sets on the fish i have caught too. might try these on perch and crappie just for the heck of it but not sure if they will trip on the light crappie bite or if the hook set will be too strong. only one way to find out i guess.
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That's the best way to find out on the hook-set, only bringin' up a pair of lips. :woot: :roflmao:
And worse ~ one lip. :sick: :roflmao:
Keep us posted Boder.
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Just got mine, but you may wanna try these. And at only $5 each, very affordable.
http://fishamatic.info/IcefishAmaticInstructions.htm (http://fishamatic.info/IcefishAmaticInstructions.htm)
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New222, you might look into what's involved in replacing your rod tip-top, at some point. Maybe get a 4 pack or even a dozen. Just one more reason we like to roll our own.
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Couldn't a person use a plastic zip tie loop on the rod tip to save on wear and tear?
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The smallest size works very well and doesn't foul the line. Just put it on one of the braces that are usually a part of the rod tip-top. ;)2
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hmm zip ties sound like a good idea, gonna have to try that.
Caught two more pike yesterday on my autos. my holder fell over when one of the pike were on. we don't have any snow cover on the ice and i was using an old hole so nothing really anchored it down. i was able to get to the pole before is came out of the holder and everything so that was good. gonna have to design so stabilty feet for the front. think i might just go ahead and drill a hole in the center of the base and use and ice anchor.
i am also looking at painting my autos. what colors do you guys suggest. wasnt sure if i wanted to go dark or not for fear that it would freeze in easier?? but maybe darker would be the way to go. any ideas or suggestions?
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I've put small eye screws into the bottoms of all my rods to be able to attach lanyards or thin bungies and then anchoring to rod holders or buckets or anything bigger than the hole. I usually fish in large trout waters and have saved my rigs several times. Lost one nice rig, once and that is all it took. If it ain't in my hand, it's tied down. When I get around to stealing some of these great designs, I'll definitely leash them. Thanks to all the Red Greens on Ice for all the great ideas.
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Thanks to all the Red Greens on Ice for all the great ideas.
That right there is the highest order compliment. And it's meant for you guys.
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heres mine(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s395/ima-icehole/hooksetter2.jpg)
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another view (http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s395/ima-icehole/hooksetter1.jpg)
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last one(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s395/ima-icehole/hooksetter3.jpg)
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So how does the Rod tip hook on and what triggers it?
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Just got mine, but you may wanna try these. And at only $5 each, very affordable.
http://fishamatic.info/IcefishAmaticInstructions.htm (http://fishamatic.info/IcefishAmaticInstructions.htm)
Just ordered 2 of them. At that price it is worth a try. If they work I will let every one know.
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AltaIce,
I know I'm late to this party, do you have a list on what you used for the slammer?
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This is what i made off idea i found on google images! lol
(http://i.imgur.com/eKyJHtNl.jpg)
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This is what i made off idea i found on google images! lol
(http://i.imgur.com/eKyJHtNl.jpg)
do you have a parts list of what you used there?
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Welcome to Ieshanty, Wisconsonfishguy. :thumbsup:
Just so you'll know ~ There are several much less complex, easier to transport and very easy to build hook setters.
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Welcome to Ieshanty, Wisconsonfishguy. :thumbsup:
Just so you'll know ~ There are several much less complex, easier to transport and very easy to build hook setters.
Thanks,
so you have any plans you would like to share with me? i am getting into a slow time at work so i would have time to make some of these.