Author Topic: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS (Read 15208 times)

o2rmk800 · « **Reply #30 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 11:13 AM »

thanks for keeping us on top of this, doc

JJ · « **Reply #31 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 11:15 AM »

Quote from: crayfishbob on Mar 14, 2007, 11:12 AM

That's why I edited and added READ CAREFULLY. You might not have cought that in time.

MAN ! THIS IS A HOT TOPIC!

Yeah, and with the way I have seen other people post on here without reading everything, I just wanted to point it out. Thanks.

o2rmk800 · « **Reply #32 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 11:17 AM »

i caught that also, but you beat me to the post.

crayfishbob · « **Reply #33 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 11:21 AM »

From what I am reading, the commercial use of baitfish does not require testing if sold for use on that lake only ?

doctariAFC · « **Reply #34 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 11:23 AM »

Quote from: crayfishbob on Mar 14, 2007, 11:21 AM

From what I am reading, the commercial use of baitfish does not require testing if sold for use on that lake only ?

that is correct. I can see an issue with that one, especially for those baitshops like Big Catch. Do they have to have separate tanks for Lake Erie collected bait for Lake Erie and UNR use only, and another tank of certified bait for use anywhere else?

I can see some fog starting to form

ladyfish · « **Reply #35 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 11:25 AM »

So I buy certified bait from a retail bait store, the lake I fish is 10 miles away, am I allowed to transport this bait to the lake I fish?

o2rmk800 · « **Reply #36 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 11:26 AM »

so say i go to , lets say joes bait shop, and he jigs his own bait out of lake lily. if i were to into his bait shop and ask for such and such bait for lake lily he could sell them to me?

crayfishbob · « **Reply #37 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 11:34 AM »

To answer both, the commercial sale of baitfish is a different set of rules. Certified bait sold in baitshops are ok in any body of water.

doctariAFC · « **Reply #38 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 12:50 PM »

Quote from: ladyfish on Mar 14, 2007, 11:25 AM

So I buy certified bait from a retail bait store, the lake I fish is 10 miles away, am I allowed to transport this bait to the lake I fish?

Yes, provided you have the receipt for the purchase.

I am unsure how baitfish harvested from infected waters will be handled. The bait may be sold as a separate item in the cash register, indicating Lake Erie or Lake Ontario Minnows, which would mean you may only use them in Lake Erie or Lake Ontario, depending on where they were harvested from. Wholesalers must only sell certified clean bait. The commercial collection and sale of bait from infected waters is different, but we do need some additional clarifications, methinks....

theozon · « **Reply #39 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 01:08 PM »

I am unsure how baitfish harvested from infected waters will be handled. The bait may be sold as a separate item in the cash register, indicating Lake Erie or Lake Ontario Minnows, which would mean you may only use them in Lake Erie or Lake Ontario, depending on where they were harvested from. Wholesalers must only sell certified clean bait. The commercial collection and sale of bait from infected waters is different, but we do need some additional clarifications, methinks....
DOC I HAD A BIG ? MARK IN MY HEAD ABOUT THIS ALSO BUT LET ME TRY TO EXPLAIN.
SUPPOSE JOE SMOE HAS A DOCK SIDE BAIT SHOP. JOE GOES OUT TO HIS PIER AND HARVESTS SOME MINNOWS. JOE CANNOT TRANSPORT THOSE MINNOWS. BUT JOE CAN SELL THEM OFF HIS DOCK TO BE USED IN THE WATERS BY HIS DOCK TO THE FIRST IMPASSABLE BARRIER.
BIG CATCH BAIT IS NOT DOCKSIDE SO THEY WOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO SELL UNCERTIFIED BAIT. THE KEY WORD HERE IS "NO TRANSPORTATION BY MOTORIZED VECHILE ON NYS ROADS".

doctariAFC · « **Reply #40 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 01:13 PM »

Quote from: theozon on Mar 14, 2007, 01:08 PM

I am unsure how baitfish harvested from infected waters will be handled. The bait may be sold as a separate item in the cash register, indicating Lake Erie or Lake Ontario Minnows, which would mean you may only use them in Lake Erie or Lake Ontario, depending on where they were harvested from. Wholesalers must only sell certified clean bait. The commercial collection and sale of bait from infected waters is different, but we do need some additional clarifications, methinks....
DOC I HAD A BIG ? MARK IN MY HEAD ABOUT THIS ALSO BUT LET ME TRY TO EXPLAIN.
SUPPOSE JOE SMOE HAS A DOCK SIDE BAIT SHOP. JOE GOES OUT TO HIS PIER AND HARVESTS SOME MINNOWS. JOE CANNOT TRANSPORT THOSE MINNOWS. BUT JOE CAN SELL THEM OFF HIS DOCK TO BE USED IN THE WATERS BY HIS DOCK TO THE FIRST IMPASSABLE BARRIER.
BIG CATCH BAIT IS NOT DOCKSIDE SO THEY WOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO SELL UNCERTIFIED BAIT. THE KEY WORD HERE IS "NO TRANSPORTATION BY MOTORIZED VECHILE ON NYS ROADS".

Thanks Oz! That is correctly analyzed!!

theozon · « **Reply #41 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 01:19 PM »

I LIKE THIS DOC.
BY DOCTARI:
So, I guess if Big Catch wants to sell minnows harvested from Lake Erie, they will have to harvest them, put ‘em in a tank on wheels, and drag their little red wagon back to the shop, by foot power. Of course, everyone that buys them must bring their own little red wagon and walk them to the lake. Hahahahahahahaha….

BUCKSKI · « **Reply #42 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 01:24 PM »

Bill and Pat are on top of their game. It appears that walking, riding with bait is the key. They are pretty crafty and will suprise ya!
They do have access to the rivers edge.
Adversity is the mother of some creation???

theozon · « **Reply #43 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 01:29 PM »

YEA BUCK BUT TO SELL THAT UNCERTIFIED BAIT TO SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO TRANSPORT THAT BAIT IN A MOTORIZED VEHICLE IS ILLEGAL.

doctariAFC · « **Reply #44 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 01:46 PM »

New business opportunity.... Little Red Wagon rentals!

o2rmk800 · « **Reply #45 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 01:50 PM »

yeah then the state will put a road tax on the wagon

doctariAFC · « **Reply #46 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 01:58 PM »

Quote from: o2rmk800 on Mar 14, 2007, 01:50 PM

yeah then the state will put a road tax on the wagon

no doubt... We ain't known as the Vampire State for nuthin!

GAMBELL · « **Reply #47 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 02:03 PM »

Quote from: o2rmk800 on Mar 14, 2007, 01:50 PM

yeah then the state will put a road tax on the wagon

Not only taxed but you will need insurance, special license and a helmet to operate it.

o2rmk800 · « **Reply #48 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 02:05 PM »

will also need to have lights, signals, and a horn.

doctariAFC · « **Reply #49 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 02:19 PM »

Quote from: o2rmk800 on Mar 14, 2007, 02:05 PM

will also need to have lights, signals, and a horn.

Don't forget the mandatory Little Red Wagon Education program, too! Teaching you all the invaluable skills such as parallel wagon parking, and the like. Then we have to form a committee to study the proper prerequisites for passing the little red wagon road test, and such. All with a service fee, of course. And let's not forget about emissions! Imagine pulling that little red wagon up a hill, and you break wind! Green house gases! Need a special inspection for that one!

pembroke · « **Reply #50 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 03:56 PM »

Quote from: RebelIceFshr on Mar 14, 2007, 11:11 AM

Spend one season of ice fishing using artificial, or corn, or dough, or worms, whatever it takes to keep you away from the tanks. The bait shops will have a louder voice than the consumers.

Yeah spend one season away from the bait shops and there won't be any bait shops! I can't believe anyone would even suggest this.
Larry

crayfishbob · « **Reply #51 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 04:25 PM »

Not yet. I'm up to my ars with personal troubles. You know, women stuff. I'll be back on track soon enough, though.

The FAQ on the dec site is to be out today or tomorrow. That will answer lots !

doctariAFC · « **Reply #52 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 04:48 PM »

Quote from: bluegill basher on Mar 14, 2007, 04:34 PM

Talked with the man in albany who handles the vhs info(greg kozlowski).If a baitshop catches minnows from a lake-they may resell them for use in the lake they came out of only.If that shop also has certified healthy bait for sale it will negate the health inspection for all fish in the shop.That's the way i understood the info he gave me.I own a baitshop right on the lake and sell certified disease free bait,if i go out and catch a batch and bring them into the shop for resale only on my lake-this will in effect negate the certificate of health for all the other healthy bait REGARDLESS if they are in seperate tanks or not.So,from what i gathered,if you catch bait from your lake,for resale in your shop,you are pretty much limited to selling the bait only for your lake.I buy all my bait from a bait wholesaler so this part of the rules doesn't affect me-those of you who own shops and plan to do the above better contact mr.kozlowski and clarify this before you attempt it.Other then printing out some new bait receipts this whole thing isn't that big of a deal for shop owners in my area.

Thanks for the info. Makes it a catch 22 doesn't it? Good info, though!!!

crayfishbob · « **Reply #53 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 04:59 PM »

I can kinda see what they are doing now. They are allowing bait distribution of uncertified bait at local levels, but not at broad levels. They definatly thought this one out. The bait reciept thing as much as a pain is much, much better than solution #1 : Stop bait use all together ! At least they are trying to work with us, ( the bait dealers AND the fishermen ) Certified bait then will be at premium price if somebody wants to deal with the certification process.

One thing to remember is that once warm weather hits, most of the bait will be from out of state pre certified farms. The emerald shiners and hunts are then going to be forgot until fall again. That's plenty of time for everyone to regroup.

1TIGGER · « **Reply #54 on:** Mar 14, 2007, 10:52 PM »

Not real clear on the frozen bait thing .
It says bait that is packaged for commercial use is to be preserved by a method other than freezing , Is it still OK to use smelt that has been frozen by an individual for personal use or not .

doctariAFC · « **Reply #55 on:** Mar 15, 2007, 08:34 AM »

Quote from: 1TIGGER on Mar 14, 2007, 10:52 PM

Not real clear on the frozen bait thing .
It says bait that is packaged for commercial use is to be preserved by a method other than freezing , Is it still OK to use smelt that has been frozen by an individual for personal use or not .

I think you'll have to salt them, too.

Mr.Esox · « **Reply #56 on:** Mar 16, 2007, 09:43 AM »

Vhs affects all Great Lake Border states I'm curious what the other states have enacted., are they hurting the fisherman or helping. In my opinion proactive is good but overactive is not and if you don't think the price of bait is not going up you will be sadly mistaken. The bait that some of use you can't buy it is caught by rod ans reel. Whatever happen to going and checking your baitrap as a kid sometimes it was better than the fishing. This is a shame.

BUCKSKI · « **Reply #57 on:** Mar 16, 2007, 09:51 AM »

Quote from: theozon on Mar 14, 2007, 01:29 PM

YEA BUCK BUT TO SELL THAT UNCERTIFIED BAIT TO SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO TRANSPORT THAT BAIT IN A MOTORIZED VEHICLE IS ILLEGAL.

Wow you too kthat the wrong way.
They do have several storage ponds that are 8years old and have not been used, they tested positive. If they other ponds that are not tested positive they they can be used.
What if they started a shop say at smith boys, where they can legally dip and have for many years, drive up the boat, buy and leave???

Its really not that far of a reach, it can be done but is it cost efficent?
If it were your business would you throw in the towel or adapt???

They are not the type that will willing break the law.

theozon · « **Reply #58 on:** Mar 16, 2007, 10:06 AM »

DOC I HAD A BIG ? MARK IN MY HEAD ABOUT THIS ALSO BUT LET ME TRY TO EXPLAIN.
SUPPOSE JOE SMOE HAS A DOCK SIDE BAIT SHOP. JOE GOES OUT TO HIS PIER AND HARVESTS SOME MINNOWS. JOE CANNOT TRANSPORT THOSE MINNOWS. BUT JOE CAN SELL THEM OFF HIS DOCK TO BE USED IN THE WATERS BY HIS DOCK TO THE FIRST IMPASSABLE BARRIER.
BIG CATCH BAIT IS NOT DOCKSIDE SO THEY WOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO SELL UNCERTIFIED BAIT. THE KEY WORD HERE IS "NO TRANSPORTATION BY MOTORIZED VECHILE ON NYS ROADS".
yea buck i think that's what they have intended in the law.Might be a good opportunity for big catch. but would have to be a better location than smithboys. small boat harbor? maybe Just wish this whole vhs thing would pass.

BUCKSKI · « **Reply #59 on:** Mar 16, 2007, 11:38 AM »

I just know they have a working relation with them and some other locals on the river.
SBH would be a nice spot, grain elevators? any where lake/river.

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Author Topic: NEW BAIT REGULATIONS (Read 15208 times)

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