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raymond this actually occured on a lake in new york! we don't spear pike here if you read the thread you will see that the words "own"the snowmobiler actually appear! were not talking making a large hole that someone could fall in were talking about someone set white 2x4's out with the sole purpose to hurt a snowmobiler,not to mark a dangerous hole or bad ice!!!!the person it happened too was a fellow ice fisherman the 2x4's were unattended !!!! read the whole thread "GET IT" this really isn't even funny trap
raymond i'm not yelling at you! nor do i think you are the type of person to do anything to harm anyone! no if you think that i apoligize!!!!! it was the person that set the 2x4's then said oh if they where white they were mine!!!! and the way "own" was used was in a way that ment harm a sledder, if there is a large hole yes mark it but we can't spear here! the comments made of i set them and if a sled hits one it's there fault and comments i paint them white and "own" are very serious in nature trap Well said trapper!
troutguy1377, I am definitely watching this topic...Quite the "read"......LOLHIya's from Minnesota.... I was waiting to here from ya, It is interesting to see the views of people.I wonder if this one will goto the GRUMPY!!! HAHA
There are no marked "trails" on open water and the rules state that you are to slow down when approaching a shack or shanty no matter where it is, which rarely happens at midnight or later when someone has to get home from the bar in a hurry to avoid a DWI. I would really like to see someone get a good enough description of a sled or rider in the dark at 70, 80 ,90+ mph that would ID someone well enough to report to law enforcement. I don't agree with trying to hurt someone randomly but I do belive in kicking the snot out of billigerant idiots when caught. Let's not forget this discussion started because of an accident caused in part by both parties the jerk who either did'nt think or tried to leave an obstruction and the guy who wasn't in control of his machine.
I'm not defending 2x4 guy, whoever left it is either a hazard or just stupid. However just like on the road if you are unable to avoid obstacles in your path you are traveling too fast for the conditions, it could have been anything out there natural or manmade. look at the poor guy who hit a pressure crack last year ended up in open water and managed to pull himself out and still ended up frozen in a nearby shanty whos fault was that? It is a shame but the blame belongs where it belongs. I lost a good friend to a motorcycle accident this summer he was decapitated with 2 small children left behind, its horrible but he made his choice and paid the price for it. Are you hearing yourself!!! So IJ everyone that hits a deer on the road is going to fast, everyone that hits apothole is going to fast.Come on use your head there was a snowstorm, the 2x4 was covered in snow and the guy was going slow.We must not all have super human eyes like yourself, but I am pretty surethat is not the case,you are just being thick headed. Some of you guys hate snowmobiles so muchthat whatever they do is going to be wrong in your eyes. I hope you go back and read your post and realizehow ridiculous your statement about hitting something in the road sounds.
I believe if you hit a deer the insurance companies do consider it your fault. That's why you're not covered if you only have liability. Pretty sure you missed the point, SOME THINGS ARE UNAVOIDABLE no matter how you are driving!!
A friend was riding across Canadarago with a group of snowmobilers Fri night and some idiot stuck a piece of 2X4 in a hole to mark it and the guy hit it head on and smashed the front all up on his sled , lucky no one was hurt or even killed! Use some common sense.
crappieloo « Reply #28 on: Jan 25, 2009, 11:08 AM »If the hole was 10 inches and the 2x4 was white it was probably mine.Try fishing at night all the time and see what happens. They( some sleds) are on a drunken mission to destroy shelters and equipment.I started using white 2x4s because I could ID those as my own, rather than unpainted ones or propane tanks. I had to switch to wood because the crude sled guys that ruined my equipment started complain when my ''sled deterants'' did their job.Here's a couple of my quotes, Nov 18, 2003, 11:33 PM Started by Da_Roc, ''Were gettin pretty old to pull the stunts we use to. 4 TO 6 white painted cement blocks 10 to 20 yards out of the tent does the trick ''Jan 13, 2008, 11:03 AM Started by prchslyr, ''I fish mostly at night and always mark my holes with white cement blocks so the sleds don't run in my 10''+ holes. ''And...« Reply #36 on: Jan 25, 2009, 03:03 PM » Now after you guys are done spouting off I guess you didn't understand the post. Try fishing all night with these jerks threatening your equipment,shelters and life! Cursing A stationary object cannot harm a sober considerate rider,plain and simple. Why do you think Dave Genz changed the original color for the fish traps from white to blue?Well guess what that didn't work either :%$#!:Now they have reflectors on them for ''targets'' for the drunk snomoslobs. If I'm out there all alone I'm defenseless.People that ''own'' a lake are half drunk ,running 90mph for hunderds of miles and are evenually going to get ''owned''.
I brought back the Original Post so that everyone could read it again. I think some folks may have forgotten it, along the way First off, I am surprised at the "commotion" that this topic has started. After reading this topic several times I can say that there are some strong views about this subject.From what we were told of originally....The good thing about the whole incident , was that it was a good thing that no-one was seriously hurt/killed.I am a strong believer in marking Spearing holes. I almost went through an un-marked, snow covered one, while drilling holes to ice-fish a couple of years ago. I had some strong words for the SOB that left it that way also. But, I took the time to walk all the way back to the shoreline, about 200 yds. one way, to get a branch to put in the hole to mark it. I also took some surveyors orange tape ( I carry a roll for other ice-fishing uses) & tied it to the branches, so it would be highly visible. I did this for people & kids walking, & vehicles. In Minn. it is the law to mark these holes. The CO's actually take pictures of dark houses sometimes, to verify who was there spearing, so if an incident comes up that someone is hurt/or missing while in the area, they have a way of ID-ing the "scoff-law". I also want to relate a situation , much like this one, that happened to me about 5 years ago.. ( here is some "ammo" for those of you who may think "I" did the wrong thing after hearing about it.. BTW--- Tough crap.. I'd do it again.) Leaving the local lake one night after icefishing with a friend in a snow storm. We followed a few vehicles back to the landing to get off the lake. They were in a hurry.... We didn't know them & we were about 250 yds behind in my pickup & traveling slow because of the blowing snow. They were in a hurry & moving faster than us. They apparently reached the landing & the first 2 vehicles went up, & they had made a wave under the ice that broke the ice at the shoreline, but the largest of them, a full-size pickup truck, seeing the ice breaking, gunned it & crossed the broken area & left the scene... Without marking the holes that the vehicles had made! Here we are coming in from behind them going slow & because of "fate", we saw the "fogging" of the warm water thru the snow & stopped about 50 yds from the landing & area of broken ice. We were not happy about this, but we knew of more landings to exit the lake, but we couldn't leave this one without marking it for others who may not know what had happened. So, we got some logs & branches & marked the land & ice side of the broken area as best we could & then set off to the other landing to get off the lake. Now, here's the "ammo", for any who want to "crab" aboutwhat we did... We didn't have any surveyors tape at this time.(Another reason I carry it when icefishing, it's what got me started BTW) We left those logs & branches to keep anyone away! I know the logs got covered with snow before daylight. But there were branches sticking up. If some one came along this way in a car or truck, didn't see the branches, & hit one of the logs, They'd certainly stop & see what they hit & why those obstacles were there, & it would prevent them from going in the drink near the landing, & possibly save their lives. Same thing on the land side... If someone was to "fly" over these obstacles going fast... well, I guess that "fate" wasn't going well for them. Hopefully they'd be traveling fast enough to clear the water, & skip to shore, or vice-versa. SO, did we do the right thing? YES , we did. We weren't gonna stay there all night & flag folks...We did what we could in a blowing snowstorm. BTW..We also contacted the Sheriff Dept. & they cordoned it off later, but if someone had gone thru the obstacles without checking out why they were there..... Well I guess I would think that it natures way of "sorting out the gene pool". "Fate" once again... But to get back to this topics' situation.... Now, if I understand right...that spearing is not allowed where this took place, so it was probably an ice-angler.Or, maybe a kid of an ice angler, who at the time, never took it into their mind that this would be a hazard to anyone. And possibly( it hasn't been said) that they used a 10" auger to make the hole, which they only marked while they were in the area, so no-one stepped into it. & then it could be that it was at night, they packed up to go home & forgot they left it there. Regardless, it was left there & it was plain old "fate" that the snowmobiler hit it. Things like this happen more often than it appears some of you folks may realize. For an example...Sometimes it's an old steel fence post that got bent over by some farm machinery in the fall during harvest & left to be fixed in the Spring. Some poor rider, comes along at what ever speed & catches it with the ski or the track & bad stuff happens... Can ya do any blaming here? The farmer didn't mean for it to be a hazard... It just happened that some body met up with some "fate", & it was bad. So, if you look at it like that.. Just plain fate.... It may have been completely unintentional to cause harm, that the person that put it there & left it that way. Yes, it wasn't a good thing for a sled rider(no matter what speed), But maybe the person who did it was trying to keep others who were afoot, from being hurt. Which is a good thing. Now if the person who put this 2x4 there was intentionally trying to cause a problem for snowmobiles on the lake... & That's hard to know for sure it seems.... But, I'm sure that if they were out to cause trouble, why didn't they put the thing right in the middle of a trail? I don't know how big the lake is where this happened, but unless it was put on, or near a main trail, I don't think that it was set as a trap for sleds. In my view...Thinking that it was done to harm...That's just conjecture...But, so is thinking it was unintentional... So , basically, most of the arguments here have been based on a "what if", or "maybe"-type train of thought. Not to say that there isn't any good points being made, But...let's try to "stick to the facts"...not conjecture... If you want to mark a hazard, try to do it well, so everyone can be aware of it. If you are trying to intentionally hurt someone... Remember that things have a way of coming around back at ya.."what goes around, comes around"<< Karma, i believe is what they call it.. Try to keep that in mind.Sorry for my long-winded comment.. No-one forced ya into reading it... Hey Mn, I think you were absolutely right in what you did,then contacted the authorities. That was the properway to handle that situation. I did not forget the original post as a matter of fact I never commented on the subjectuntil crappieloo said that he and others were setting traps for snowmachines. As far as knowing if the 2x4 was put there to cause damage we may never know? But maybe someone that uses them will read this and chooseto use something not so dangerous to mark a fishing hole.
If he was traveling slow he wouldn't have destroyed his sled. If you slide off the raod in a snow storm and a trooper shows up it doesn't matter if you were doing 5 or 50 mph you will more than likely get a ticket for unsafe driving, I've seen it happen, and for the record I don't hate machines. I was on chautauqua saturday and was surrounded by them and anyone who moved through the fisherman did so safely and slowly the way it should be, many of them passed within 15 to 20 feet of me which doesn't bother me at all if it's done safely. Anyone who camoflages obstacles should be held accountable just like unsafe riders should. 20 or 30 mph isn't slow because you could be doing 60 the conditions dictate what speed you should be traveling. In your previous post you said hitting an obstacle in the road, nothing about a snow storm? I dont think driving in a snowstorm and hitting something in the road are comparable. Dont go back on what you wrote beforeyou know you were wrong because some things are unavoidable!
They have no problem destroying our equipment, turnabout is fair play. We had a guy in a sailboat tear off 4 reef runners and 2 jet divers one year on Erie so we pulled along side took out the flare gun and told him he was gonna pay for 'em one way or another and we got our money on the spot, alot cheaper than a new sail.
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