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New York => Ice Fishing New York => Topic started by: WALLEYES INC. on Jan 24, 2009, 10:41 AM
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A friend was riding across Canadarago with a group of snowmobilers Fri night and some idiot stuck a piece of 2X4 in a hole to mark it and the guy hit it head on and smashed the front all up on his sled , lucky no one was hurt or even killed! Use some common sense.
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A friend was riding across Canadarago with a group of snowmobilers Fri night and some idiot stuck a piece of 2X4 in a hole to mark it and the guy hit it head on and smashed the front all up on his sled , lucky no one was hurt or even killed! Use some common sense.
Talk about common sense ???
2 weeks ago at a tourney 2 guys on sleds came whipping by the whole group who was in the tourney and one of the sleds wiped out my buddies tip-ups. Talk about common sense. Why on earth does a sled have to go where people are fishing??? Really can't understand it. You wouldn't drive your car on a baseball field...
If you own a sled stay away from where people are fishing, pretty simple fix there.... I own a nice sled and NEVER, NEVER take it where it is a known fishing place. A little respect can go along way.
I'm just saying........
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I USE a snowmobile to pull my sled around, fishing and snomobiles, lakes can coexist if you follow the rules and speed limits and yes common sense, should somebody put a big 2/4 in middle of lake sticking up no, but marking a hole isnt a bad idea either just use somthing that wont hurt someone or expensive machines
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I myself love when people mark holes because you know they want to return there because those holes usually produce fish ,i agree dont mark them with something that someone can get hurt on but small sticks a can or something like that wont hurt usually if i find something that is either propane tanks or garbage or boards i mark the spot with my gps and pick up the stuff and bring it in solves that dillema now i have the good fishing spot problem solved
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"if your yellow let it mellow"
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A friend was riding across Canadarago with a group of snowmobilers Fri night and some idiot stuck a piece of 2X4 in a hole to mark it and the guy hit it head on and smashed the front all up on his sled , lucky no one was hurt or even killed! Use some common sense.
Its too bad about your friends snowmobile. But I do have mixed feelings about snowmobilers racing across the ice. Ive had tip-ups destroyed twice on Canadrago in broad daylight by guys flying through my sets while I stood nearby and tried to wave them off. Neither operator stopped to apologize or to offer to pay for the tip-up! >:(
I don't drill holes on your snowmobile trails, please don't run over my sets.
That said who in the world drags a 2x4 on the ice for anything but blocking up a shanty or getting over thin shoreline ice?
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No matter what, It's just plain STUPID to mark a hole with a solid object :nono: :nono: :nono:
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No matter what, It's just plain STUPID to mark a hole with a solid object :nono: :nono: :nono:
gotta luv the emty propane cylinder trick to,thats a stroke of genious, love hittin those with the boat in the spring!
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YA' KNOW, HERE IS A GUY THINKING HE IS DOING THE RIGHT THING BY MARKING A HOLE SO AS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW DO NOT STEP HERE BECAUSE YOU COULD FALL IN AND DROWN OR BREAK A LEG OR SOMETHING. I DON'T BELIVE IT CAME TO MIND WHEN HE WAS DOING SO THAT HE WAS PUTTING A DANGER UP IN THE ICE FOR ANYBODY TO RUN INTO OR TRIP OVER OR FOR SNOWMOBILERS WHO BELIVE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TRAVEL AT THE SPEED OF SOUND WHERE EVER THEY PLEASE. POSSIBLY A BIGGER OBJECT WOULD BE BETTER SO IT COULD BE SEEN AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT,,,,,,,,,BUT HOW BIG DOES IT NEED TO BE TO PLEASE SOMEONE. SUPPOSE THE 2X4 NEVER WAS PUT IN THE HOLE AND SOME POOR @$%TARD STEPPED INTO A SPEARING HOLE AND DROWNED, WOULD WE BE HAPPIER? I DON'T THINK SO.
IS A 2X4 IN A HOLE IN THE ICE UNSAFE? I BELIVE THATS A MATTER OF OPINION.
YOU COULD RUN INTO MY TRUCK WITH YOUR SNOWMOBILE,,,,DOES THAT MEAN I SHOULD NOT HAVE PARKED WHERE YOU WANT TO RIDE?
THE UNIVERSE DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND SNOWMOBILERS AND WHAT THEY THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO,,,,,,,,,,, OR ANYBODY ELSE.
I HOPE THE MICHIGAN DNR DOES NOT GET WIND OF THIS OR THEY MAY BAN ICE FISHING HERE JUST TO BE SURE EVERYTHING IS SAFE FOR THE SNOWMOBILERS, A LOT OF THEM HERE THINK THEY CAN WALK ON WATER AND DO WHAT THEY PLEASE.
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YA' KNOW, HERE IS A GUY THINKING HE IS DOING THE RIGHT THING BY MARKING A HOLE SO AS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW DO NOT STEP HERE BECAUSE YOU COULD FALL IN AND DROWN OR BREAK A LEG OR SOMETHING. I DON'T BELIVE IT CAME TO MIND WHEN HE WAS DOING SO THAT HE WAS PUTTING A DANGER UP IN THE ICE FOR ANYBODY TO RUN INTO OR TRIP OVER OR FOR SNOWMOBILERS WHO BELIVE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TRAVEL AT THE SPEED OF SOUND WHERE EVER THEY PLEASE. POSSIBLY A BIGGER OBJECT WOULD BE BETTER SO IT COULD BE SEEN AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT,,,,,,,,,BUT HOW BIG DOES IT NEED TO BE TO PLEASE SOMEONE. SUPPOSE THE 2X4 NEVER WAS PUT IN THE HOLE AND SOME POOR @$%TARD STEPPED INTO A SPEARING HOLE AND DROWNED, WOULD WE BE HAPPIER? I DON'T THINK SO.
IS A 2X4 IN A HOLE IN THE ICE UNSAFE? I BELIVE THATS A MATTER OF OPINION.
YOU COULD RUN INTO MY TRUCK WITH YOUR SNOWMOBILE,,,,DOES THAT MEAN I SHOULD NOT HAVE PARKED WHERE YOU WANT TO RIDE?
THE UNIVERSE DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND SNOWMOBILERS AND WHAT THEY THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO,,,,,,,,,,, OR ANYBODY ELSE.
I HOPE THE MICHIGAN DNR DOES NOT GET WIND OF THIS OR THEY MAY BAN ICE FISHING HERE JUST TO BE SURE EVERYTHING IS SAFE FOR THE SNOWMOBILERS, A LOT OF THEM HERE THINK THEY CAN WALK ON WATER AND DO WHAT THEY PLEASE.
Good points !!! And like I said before I have a nice sled and love riding but I stay clear of possible spots that are or have been occupied. How about staying on a designated trail ? Or is that to much to ask ? It works for me, I have never had someone complain to me about me when I stay on designated trails. I have no problem with an Ice fisherman using a sled to get to his spot because you know he will be respectful of other people and there spots.....
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use your brain!!!!!!!!!!! if you dont know the area go slow until you know where you are going. stay off private land at all times and rescept other peoples rights. my uncle left his barbwire fences up 1 year on his land and the cops called him about a missing sleder. they went on his land and found the guy still on his sled frozen stiff. his helmet and head were found aways back on the trail he made :embarassed:.this happened years ago near sandy pond, ill never forget it.
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i hate it i have a shanty ohh in the middle of no where with a big lake to ride around and they ride less than 10 feet from my door step...c mon i wish there was a way to stop thees jerks.. any ideas???
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I lost a ton of tipups out on the Sacandaga over the years due to maniacal sled drivers.
One I shot a safety flare when they almost took me and a buddy out ;) They sure slowed down.
Eventual we began to use driveway reflectors to mark out our fishing area on the Sacandaga which makes a little more sense than 2x4's and signal flares :)
I think a little commonsense and respect for others can go a long ways.
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A friend was riding across Canadarago with a group of snowmobilers Fri night and some idiot stuck a piece of 2X4 in a hole to mark it and the guy hit it head on and smashed the front all up on his sled , lucky no one was hurt or even killed! Use some common sense.
Personally I don't think a 2x4 is the way to mark a hole either.
If I want to mark a hole, this is what I do. I fill the hole with snow first. After I have filled the hole with snow, I pile more snow on top of that snow so I have a good mound of snow piled up. Now I wet the pile down with water so it freezes solid overnight, leaving a nice ice castle about 1 to 2 ft. high sticking up. Nothing like a little art work for the snowmobilers to look at when they are riding. I've even done some Ice sculpturing during the day around my fishing area for snowmoblers to enjoy. The really cool thing about Ice Castles, is that when the ice melts nothing is left behind floating in the water that cause other problems.
Strike Zone
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I personally do both, but as it was said before its common sense when you get to a place where people are fishing slow down its really not that hard. As for a way to stop them when they go flying 10 feet past your shanty door is to get a nice paintball gun and keep it in there..make good use of it!
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Simple solution to those of you who want to mark holes with a 2x4. Put a couple wraps of reflective tape around them. Problem solved.
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These guys are not A holes going 90 down the lake they were just riding down the lake at night which the state trail goes through it. I have a sled and use it for mostly ice fishing and I fish after dark alot.don't put 2x4's and dangerous crap sticking out of the ice because 4 wheelers or snowmobiles can hit and cause a serious injury.
They or you probably wouldn't get hurt if the Sleds or Wheelers are traveling at a speed that is Reasonable and Prudent for the conditions. I too have fished a night,with plenty of lights on to show people where I'm at and still had close calls of being hit by Sleds. But according to You and some others, my Tip Ups and Lights that are sticking up, are Dangerous. I guess my Safety doesn't mean Squat and I shouldn't be allowed to fish at night, but you have a right to fish because you have a Sled. The State law states that the speed limit is 25 mph for boats after sunset. I feel it should be the same for Sleds and Wheelers. Thus making it for those that have a need for speed, to take that need somewhere else and not on the ice. The Lakes I fish on are not part of the State SnowmobileTrail system.
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a lot of valid points on both sides of the arguments here....as someone who does not own a sled and also as someone who was never had a tip up hit by a sled i think I could offer a valid solution to this problem. Don't mark holes with dangerous obstructions, that just makes good sense. Also, don't drive fast at night if you are unsure of the course- that just makes sense.
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If your going at a safe rate of speed and using your headlights, then there is no reason why you shouldn't see something sticking out of the hole. To me its no different than a small tree sticking out of a small island in the middle of the lake. Just my opinion. I ride the lakes on my ATV and I hit a pressure ridge the other night at about 30mph that wasn't there the day before. It sent me a little way through the air, but I only blame myself. Its hard enough to see riding on a lake during the day, you gotta be careful and pay attention. Next time it might be a rock from mother nature.
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A friend was riding across Canadarago with a group of snowmobilers Fri night and some idiot stuck a piece of 2X4 in a hole to mark it and the guy hit it head on and smashed the front all up on his sled , lucky no one was hurt or even killed! Use some common sense.
Lucky no one was killed or hurt is right, what if it had been a kid out with his dad fishing. If you can't stop or miss an object you are traveling too fast! Your friend is the idiot, and got what he deserved :%$#!:
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In my opinion they both were at fault .
A 2x4 is excessive to mark a hole with , but you have to give them credit for at least trying to do the rite thing .
A stick could have been used so if it were hit by a sled or ATV it would break with minimal if any damage .
The sled operator should have been going a reasonable speed until he was sure of his route to avoid an accident like this , but who would have expected to find a piece of 2x4 sticking out of the ice .
Bottom line in both cases , USE COMMON SENCE !!!
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A 2x4 doesn't exactly pop out against the snow at night. The guy shoulda put reflective tape on it, or just used a stick. I do however dislike snowmobilers after dark. They ride around too fast and act like they are the only people on the lake. Had a tip-up smashed, I bet the guy didn't even know he did it because he was just flying. what if my lantern died as I was bucket fishing???
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there are two points here both good ones first to use a 2x4 to mark a hole is kind of stupid! for just that reason who wants to take a chance on killing someone on a snowmobile???? second to the snowmobler thank got it wasn't a kid fishing at night!!!! or a pressure crack.... see this is a two sided coin her both sides use the ice both sides need to use there heads
trap
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there are two points here both good ones first to use a 2x4 to mark a hole is kind of stupid! for just that reason who wants to take a chance on killing someone on a snowmobile???? second to the snowmobler thank got it wasn't a kid fishing at night!!!! or a pressure crack.... see this is a two sided coin her both sides use the ice both sides need to use there heads
trap
Yes but in general, Snowmobilers are more dangerouse to them selves and others than icefishermen are
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Personally I don't think a 2x4 is the way to mark a hole either.
If I want to mark a hole, this is what I do. I fill the hole with snow first. After I have filled the hole with snow, I pile more snow on top of that snow so I have a good mound of snow piled up. Now I wet the pile down with water so it freezes solid overnight, leaving a nice ice castle about 1 to 2 ft. high sticking up. Nothing like a little art work for the snowmobilers to look at when they are riding. I've even done some Ice sculpturing during the day around my fishing area for snowmoblers to enjoy. The really cool thing about Ice Castles, is that when the ice melts nothing is left behind floating in the water that cause other problems.
Strike Zone
Strikezone,
as a fisherman and a snowmobiler I will tell you that this is a terrible way to mark a hole. The "frozen ice castle" blends right in with the surroundings and can lead to hitting the equal of an ice ridge. I happen to hit on of those 2 years ago, thankfully I was going about 15 MPH but it was in a snow storm. I hate to think what could have happened if I were out riding instead of towing the shanty.
A stick with a little reflective tape is a great way to mark a whole and I do agree that the snowmobiler was more at fault in this case because he was traveling faster than conditions allowed for him to make a safe stop. Same rules apply as on the road. If you rear end someone, you will be at fault because you could not control your vehicle. He should be happy he only busted up a bumper and someone !!!
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I'll stick to small lakes -- no snomobiles and no sicks with reflective tape across the landscape.
From a small lake perspective, I don't much like the idea of someone marking a spot that implies it's their own. What do you do when someone is sitting at the spot you marked the day before using a stick with reflective tape, ice castle, 2x4, propane bottle or something. Or what do you when you go to your favorite, secret spot and find a 2x4 wrapped with reflective tape sticking up.
Every lake, even Erie, has only a limited number of sweet spots. I don't like the idea of any markings that go too far in claiming a spot as your own. Yesterday, I was disappointed to see guys exactly at my first and second favorite spots. Fair enough, I explored, drilled about 30 holes, and complained to myself.
When I get the spot next time, I don't want to be sitting next to the junk that someone else left behind to mark his spot.
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Strikezone,
as a fisherman and a snowmobiler I will tell you that this is a terrible way to mark a hole. The "frozen ice castle" blends right in with the surroundings and can lead to hitting the equal of an ice ridge. I happen to hit on of those 2 years ago, thankfully I was going about 15 MPH but it was in a snow storm. I hate to think what could have happened if I were out riding instead of towing the shanty.
A stick with a little reflective tape is a great way to mark a whole and I do agree that the snowmobiler was more at fault in this case because he was traveling faster than conditions allowed for him to make a safe stop. Same rules apply as on the road. If you rear end someone, you will be at fault because you could not control your vehicle. He should be happy he only busted up a bumper and someone !!!
TR19:
For every action there is a reaction and their actions prompted my reactions. I don't build ice castles every time I go ice fishing. I only build them to prove to others that they are not the owners of the lake and they should give someone else some time and space to enjoy themselves also. I'm not going to carry all kinds of material out on the ice to mark holes either. That is what a GPS is for. I don't intentionally go around screwing with people. But if I get screwed with or threaten by someone Else's inconsiderate actions, that's a different story. I got a short fuse and a hair trigger when it comes to that.
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If the hole was 10 inches and the 2x4 was white it was probably mine.Try fishing at night all the time and see what happens. They( some sleds) are on a drunken mission to destroy shelters and equipment.I started using white 2x4s because I could ID those as my own, rather than unpainted ones or propane tanks. I had to switch to wood because the crude sled guys that ruined my equipment started complain when my ''sled deterants'' did their job.
Here's a couple of my quotes, Nov 18, 2003, 11:33 PM
Started by Da_Roc,
''Were gettin pretty old to pull the stunts we use to. 4 TO 6 white painted cement blocks 10 to 20 yards out of the tent does the trick ''
Jan 13, 2008, 11:03 AM
Started by prchslyr,
''I fish mostly at night and always mark my holes with white cement blocks so the sleds don't run in my 10''+ holes. ''
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Are you guys forgeting you are on PUBLIC property. You do not own the lake so why should you have a
right to mark a spot with something that could possibly kill someone. As far as painting something white it
sounds like you are intentionally trying to hurt someone or destroy someones machine. Have the guys
that paint things white ever heard of reflective tape or do you just like trying to hurt someone or
destroy a machine. ???
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Are you guys forgeting you are on PUBLIC property. You do not own the lake so why should you have a
right to mark a spot with something that could possibly kill someone. As far as painting something white it
sounds like you are intentionally trying to hurt someone or destroy someones machine. Have the guys
that paint things white ever heard of reflective tape or do you just like trying to hurt someone or
destroy a machine. ???
I'm going to agree with troutguy here. I personally don't give a poop if someones driving their sled like a jerk & destroy it, they deserve it. But painting 2x4's & cement blocks white ?, now you're taking the chance of hurting SOMEONE !!! If you want to mark them so nobody hits things, paint them orange or red. At least use a color that sticks out against the snow. If you're worried that someone will find your secret spot, mark it with a GPS so only you can return to that exact spot.
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They have no problem destroying our equipment, turnabout is fair play. We had a guy in a sailboat tear off 4 reef runners and 2 jet divers one year on Erie so we pulled along side took out the flare gun and told him he was gonna pay for 'em one way or another and we got our money on the spot, alot cheaper than a new sail.
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are you guys insane?????? is risking someones life over a tip up worth it???? your on public property not to mention the liability here!!!! how would you feel it some kid or a women hits that and gets hurt or killed???? over what a fishing hole???? now i fish oneida lake in new york which is snowmoble heaven and i would never consider doing that....
trap
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I've got 2 answers to this problem, you shouldn't be marking your holes with things that could damage a snowmobile, its neglegent. BUT... for those who have had tip ups run over, NYS vehicle and traffic law says that snowmobiles and 4 wheelers must slow to a speed that only permits forward progress when within 100 feet of any shanty or person on the ice. keep a camera and take a picture of those flying through or past your set and submit it to your local ECO along with discriptions of the drivers clothes, helment color, ect. they can get the registration #'s from a photo and the owner will get multiple tickets, it may take a while for word to get around, but eventually things might slow down in the area. Most ECO's will be glad to write the ticket or at the very least go to the persons house and scare them a bit.
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Are you guys forgeting you are on PUBLIC property. You do not own the lake so why should you have a
right to mark a spot with something that could possibly kill someone. As far as painting something white it
sounds like you are intentionally trying to hurt someone or destroy someones machine. Have the guys
that paint things white ever heard of reflective tape or do you just like trying to hurt someone or
destroy a machine. ???
Troutguy 1377:
You're Right, nobody owns the lake. So why should the some Sledders feel they have the right to drive their machines where ever and whenever they feel fit, with total disregard to or for anyone else. Maybe their mentality is to harass others, possibly destroying other people's equipment and/or endangering someones Else's well being. I also believe,because of the actions of some Snowmobiles, Wheelers and Dirt Bikes on some State Property and private property is the reason they have lost the use of this Property.Thus for every action there is a reaction. Sometimes these reactions may seem extreme, but that's what can happen when people are disgruntled, because of the actions of others. Well it's time to go now and put some reflective tape on the dog, because he likes to go out on the lake at night. Also while I'm out on the lake next time I think I will have to somehow knock down the frozen snow banks the Kids made while shoveling off a space to skate. After all God only knows I don't want to endanger or interfere with someone on a machine.
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I've got 2 answers to this problem, you shouldn't be marking your holes with things that could damage a snowmobile, its neglegent. BUT... for those who have had tip ups run over, NYS vehicle and traffic law says that snowmobiles and 4 wheelers must slow to a speed that only permits forward progress when within 100 feet of any shanty or person on the ice. keep a camera and take a picture of those flying through or past your set and submit it to your local ECO along with discriptions of the drivers clothes, helment color, ect. they can get the registration #'s from a photo and the owner will get multiple tickets, it may take a while for word to get around, but eventually things might slow down in the area. Most ECO's will be glad to write the ticket or at the very least go to the persons house and scare them a bit.
you sir are 100% right
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Now after you guys are done spouting off I guess you didn't understand the post. Try fishing all night with these jerks threatening your equipment,shelters and life! :%$#!: A stationary object cannot harm a sober considerate rider,plain and simple. Why do you think Dave Genz changed the original color for the fish traps from white to blue?Well guess what that didn't work either :%$#!:Now they have reflectors on them for ''targets'' for the drunk snomoslobs. If I'm out there all alone I'm defenseless.People that ''own'' a lake are half drunk ,running 90mph for hunderds of miles and are evenually going to get ''owned''.
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I have had tip ups run over by the ice boats on sodus and almost got taken out by snowmobiles in the dark ... lets face it ... if it goes fast the driver has no common sense... shift machine in gear put brain in park!!!!
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well i have to tell you if you honestly though you were in that much danger you wouldn't be there!!!! so your story doesn't hold water ok.i'm sorry truth yes sleds have run over tip ups!!!! get there numbers is all you don't set booby traps now grow up and i fish night all the time in a snowmoble infested area never had a problem
trap
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i tell my grandkids to use a flash night when walking!!!!! it's pretty sound advice
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Troutguy, fishman79 % Trapper2000- I agree 100% and that's what I was trying to get across. If the sleds are driving like buttmunches, get a description, call the ECO or the Police. There are still laws that snowmobilers have to obey when they are on the lake.
Irishjigger & Strikezone, hopefully I don't fish the same waters as you, I would hate to think I might "upset" you by towing my clam or possibly riding on the same piece of ice as you when I have the wife & kids out.
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TR thats right a snowmoble or atv must slow down to just moving when in 100 yrds of a fisherman or shanty a quick call they get a ticket your fishing no one gets hurt! makes sence to me.if i felt that much in danger i wouldn't be risking my life for a fish! this is pure poop talk i'm sorry
trap
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well i have to tell you if you honestly though you were in that much danger you wouldn't be there!!!! so your story doesn't hold water ok.i'm sorry truth yes sleds have run over tip ups!!!! get there numbers is all you don't set booby traps now grow up and i fish night all the time in a snowmoble infested area never had a problem
trap
I have more of a right to fish than they (careless ones) have a right to ride drunk and excessive fast over my equipment with no regard to my life or limb. I'm not changing my paid for and legal pastime in for a bunch of slobs. When I'm alone fishing in a shelter in total darkness there is no reason in the world for anyone to ride over my shanty or equipment. Most of you I would say 95% do not fish at night where sleds are so you don't know.Also some of you will defend the drunken speeding careless lawbreaker rather than the stationary object which would be the icefisherman. I remember 3 years ago one of ''them'' crashed into a BROWN dock post and his wife was unconscious laying on the ice. He left here there and went in a bar and continued drinking. She had to be Mercyflighted out. Guess what? He got arrested for drinking and neglecting his wife.
The dock post is still there on ''public property''.
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i do know ,i fish at night on onieda lake for walleyes and crappies your story is full of holes first your here which means you weren't run over second you don't fish in total darkness you use a latern your talk of setting 2x4's is not only foolishness but liablist.... and a snowmobile after registering insuring and trail fees also paid and it too is a legal activity. unless you have witnessed the snow patrol giving them a breathalizer test you don't know if there drunk! now one thing is for sure if someone hits your 2x4 your going to find fishing just got a lot more expensive after being sued and court cost!!!! it's called common sence and i do believe setting delibrate navagation hazards is a hefty fine!
trap
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Troutguy 1377:
You're Right, nobody owns the lake. So why should the some Sledders feel they have the right to drive their machines where ever and whenever they feel fit, with total disregard to or for anyone else. Maybe their mentality is to harass others, possibly destroying other people's equipment and/or endangering someones Else's well being. I also believe,because of the actions of some Snowmobiles, Wheelers and Dirt Bikes on some State Property and private property is the reason they have lost the use of this Property.Thus for every action there is a reaction. Sometimes these reactions may seem extreme, but that's what can happen when people are disgruntled, because of the actions of others. Well it's time to go now and put some reflective tape on the dog, because he likes to go out on the lake at night. Also while I'm out on the lake next time I think I will have to somehow knock down the frozen snow banks the Kids made while shoveling off a space to skate. After all God only knows I don't want to endanger or interfere with someone on a machine.
Hey SZ, read my post again did I say anything about snow banks? NO. I am talking about deliberately placing
an object to harm someone or there machines. Why would someone mark there tip ups with something white?
I will tell you why because they don't care if it gets hit they would rather lose there gear and hurt someone
or someones machine out of spite. Real mature, And as far as your sarcasm goes you can wrap that in reflective tape and stick that up your ARSE :-* :-* :P
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troutguy what we have here is a few people talking about deliberately setting 2x4's in the ice painting them white so sleds and atv's do hit them!!!! i'd love to know what lake your doing this on i'd report you in a heartbeat before someone was hurt!
trap
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i do know ,i fish at night on onieda lake for walleyes and crappies your story is full of holes first your here which means you weren't run over second you don't fish in total darkness you use a latern your talk of setting 2x4's is not only foolishness but liablist.... and a snowmobile after registering insuring and trail fees also paid and it too is a legal activity. unless you have witnessed the snow patrol giving them a breathalizer test you don't know if there drunk! now one thing is for sure if someone hits your 2x4 your going to find fishing just got a lot more expensive after being sued and court cost!!!! it's called common sence and i do believe setting delibrate navagation hazards is a hefty fine!
trap
ITS your right to think I'm lieing.First ''hole'' I havent been ''run over''.I would have to ask the first poster on how a 6 or 8 inch piece of wood unattened could cause so much damage? Secondly ''hole'' its total darkness outside my shanty most of the time. If I use a lantern outside while I'm inside its just enough light to barely see my ups and downs.Sometimes we don't use lanterns outside the shelter.third ''hole'' your right I'm assuming they are .05 (impared or ''half drunk'') or .08 (drunk).Forth ''hole'' is the ''legal activity''. I don't know the law of how close they can come but if my stuff is 2 to 75 feet away from me and it get run over I dont think thats legal.I might be wrong.But where are the trail markers?
Trapper I'm not trying to be mean to anyone but I need my space. I hope it doesn't happen to anyone.
The sled in the first post must have hit a 4 foot 2x4 made from ash or maple.
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troutguy what we have here is a few people talking about deliberately setting 2x4's in the ice painting them white so sleds and atv's do hit them!!!! i'd love to know what lake your doing this on i'd report you in a heartbeat before someone was hurt!
trap
BINGO!!! I would love to see these guys get in trouble for this.
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Deliberately painting a stationary item and placing it on the ice with the intent to do damage to a vehicle and or a person is nothing more than stupidity and asking to spend some time in jail when someone gets killed being impaled or thrown from a machine and killed .
Making a snow pile is way different than looking to injure someone .
Cell phones and emergency phone numbers are meant to be used for situations where you feel you are at risk , not construction materials .
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Holy crap! were did I say these guy's was speeding or running through tip-ups going crazy?They were not drinking nor driving reckless they was just going across the lake and the 2x4 was sticking up 18" mostly hid by snow so put away your torches and pitch forks. I use my snowmobile all the time to fish after dark and we dont need booby traps set on the ice, its hard enough to see in a snow storm getting home without wondering whats hiddin in the snow!
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Deliberately painting a stationary item and placing it on the ice with the intent to do damage to a vehicle and or a person is nothing more than stupidity and asking to spend some time in jail when someone gets killed being impaled or thrown from a machine and killed .
Making a snow pile is way different than looking to injure someone .
Cell phones and emergency phone numbers are meant to be used for situations where you feel you are at risk , not construction materials .
Agreed, There is no intent to do damage by putting a 6 or 8 inch 2x4 in a 8 or 10 inch hole. The original post sled damage must have been a hugh 2x4 4 feet long sticking straight up.That would uncool.
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Holy crap! were did I say these guy's was speeding or running through tip-ups going crazy?They were not drinking nor driving reckless they was just going across the lake and the 2x4 was sticking up 18" mostly hid by snow so put away your torches and pitch forks. I use my snowmobile all the time to fish after dark and we dont need booby traps set on the ice, its hard enough to see in a snow storm getting home without wondering whats hiddin in the snow!
Thanks. 18'' straight up is not cool.
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Holy crap! were did I say these guy's was speeding or running through tip-ups going crazy?They were not drinking nor driving reckless they was just going across the lake and the 2x4 was sticking up 18" mostly hid by snow so put away your torches and pitch forks. I use my snowmobile all the time to fish after dark and we dont need booby traps set on the ice, its hard enough to see in a snow storm getting home without wondering whats hiddin in the snow!
You are absolutly right.
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unbelievable a total lack of respect to humane life! it's amazing this is the exact reason land gets posted!!!! and i swear if someone gets hurt or a sled damaged i hope they run your ip number you are bragging your out to hurt people!!!!! even bragging about painting the 2x4 white....
trap
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Are you kidding? A 6 inch piece of wood laying almost flat half in a hole? Why would anyone want to leave a 1 and 1/2 2x4 straight up?
I don't leave any stuff that will cause damage. And I don't brag about intentionally hurting anyone.
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Reflective tape is a wonderful invention, I put it on everything including the tip ups works great and the ATVs and Sleds know where me and my gear is in the dark. If you wanted to hurt someone stop messing around and carry a rifle in your jet sled. ;D
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Superx were talking about a small chunk of wood laying almost flat on a angle not a ''spear'' sticking straight up. I have seen unattened big branches and propane bottles in holes that were straight up too.That is plain stupid.
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Agreed, There is no intent to do damage by putting a 6 or 8 inch 2x4 in a 8 or 10 inch hole. The original post sled damage must have been a hugh 2x4 4 feet long sticking straight up.That would uncool.
Crappieloo, what are you talking about? In a previous post you said you had to stop using "sled deturence"
because they did there "job" and then quoted guys using white cement blocks. Could you please explaine
the sudden change of heart??????????????????????????????
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Last time I checked I didn't own the lake and neither did anybody running a machine on it, we need to all get along. Carry in carry out ring a bell.
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TR19, I would never set something out to intenionally hurt someone and you could ride 10 feet behind me as long as you were courteous and slowed down. I don't have a problem with sleds, I have a problem with people destroying my stuff and if someone does and I get my hands on them they will have a hard time pulling my size 15 boot out of their butt. Apparently the riders in that area finally pissed someone off enough they acted out and did'nt care who paid the price. The truth is he was riding too fast and paid the price it could of been anythig as stated before, a log, a pressure crack, anything and he still would have wrecked his machine because he couldn't stop or turn.
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Agreed, There is no intent to do damage by putting a 6 or 8 inch 2x4 in a 8 or 10 inch hole. The original post sled damage must have been a hugh 2x4 4 feet long sticking straight up.That would uncool.
Crappieloo, what are you talking about? In a previous post you said you had to stop using "sled deturence"
because they did there "job" and then quoted guys using white cement blocks. Could you please explaine
the sudden change of heart??????????????????????????????
Attended objects close to my self and equipment. NOT leaving dangerous stuff after leaving.
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Reflective tape is a wonderful invention, I put it on everything including the tip ups works great and the ATVs and Sleds know where me and my gear is in the dark. If you wanted to hurt someone stop messing around and carry a rifle in your jet sled. ;D
Yeah they make shelters now with them which was necessary. If you have a wooden shack its still possible that they will run it over tho.
http://www.ofncommunity.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=27754 (http://www.ofncommunity.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=27754)
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Attended objects close to my self and equipment. NOT leaving dangerous stuff after leaving.
OOOOH, but it is ok to leave something dangerous while you are there??? And in another post
you said something about the sled guys getting "OWNED". Which means getting hurt or messing
there machines up right.Come on dont back out now.
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I'm guilty and have brought dangerous stuff out at night and any thing big or heavy I broght back. And I dont leave propane cyls. either. Now I have to defend myself because a square head let a 2x4 sticking straight up.
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Woops we need to cool down or this will be sent to the GOMS area.
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Woops we need to cool down or this will be sent to the GOMS area.
Good point!
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WHEN YOU GET ON A SNOWMOBILE, ATV MOTORCYCLE, CAR, WHATEVER , IT INVOLVES RISK AND RESPOSIBILITY. IF THEIR WAS NO RISK INVOLVED YOU WOULD NEVER HEAR OF ANY KIND OF ACIDENTS, THE RESPONSIBILITY IS WHAT YOU OWE TO YOURSELF AND OTHERS YOU RIDE AROUND.
A FRIEND OF MINE TOLD ME OF WATCHING A GUY DIE ON THE ICE A FEW YEARS BACK WHILE RIDING IN THE U.P. AND MACINAW ISLAND, HE WAS TRAVELING AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED ASSUMING HE IS ON THE ICE AND ITS OK, HE DID NOT ASSUME THEIR WOULD BE ANYTHING IN HIS WAY WHEN HE CAME UPON A PRESSURE RIDGE THAT HEAVED A LARGE SHEET OF ICE UP ABOUT SIX FOOT,,,,,
FOR MYSELF I CAN MARK A SPOT WITH MY GPS IF I WANT TO COME BACK, AS FOR PUTTING SOMETHING IN A LARGE SPEARING HOLE I WILL USE WHATEVER I CAN TO WARN SOMEONE NOT TO STEP HERE, I RIDE MYSELF BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMEONE DROWNING. I WILL NOT TRY TO PERPOUSLY MAKE IT DANGEROUS FOR SLEDDERS OR ATV'S BUT IF ALL I HAVE IS A 2X4 ITS GOING IN THE HOLE.
YOU CANNOT ASSUME YOU HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND EVERYTHING IS CLEAR NO MATTER WHERE YOU RIDE, ON THE TRAILS OR THE ICE.
WHEN YOU ARE IN CONTROL OF A SNOWMOBILE DURING THE DAY, AT NIGHT, IN A SNOWSTORM, IN FOG OR WHATEVER IF AN OBJECT COMES UP IN FRONT OF YOU, A STUMP, A PRESSURE RIDGE OR EVEN A 2X4 YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO EITHER STOP OR GO AROUND IT, IF YOU CANNOT YOU ARE GOING TOO FAST AND OUT OF CONTROL OF YOUR MACHINE AND NO LONGER RESPONSIBLE!,,,,,PERIOD!
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Rayman said it right. I don't care if you are in asnow storm or drunk or blind in one eye, if you can't see where you are going slow the heck down so you can, you are the only one that can be responsible for hitting something!!
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so if i paint a brick black lay it in the road on a rainy night and your wife hit's it gets killed it's all her fault she should have been going slower???? come on!!!! he paints the 2x4's white!!!!!
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I like the idea actually, never thought of it. I'm sick of having tipups smashed by snowmobiles. Those that use them in a safe, respectable manner have no reason to worry.
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how can anyone even defend the actions of someone sticking 2x4's 18 inches out of the ice????????? i'm sorry thats stupid and any one that defends it is too
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Speed bump crew! take the quad out and wind row the snow. then the next quad spray water on it! ;D
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I love to go too fast on my land missile :woot:. I love to ice fish. :thumbsup: :roflmao:
It doesn't take and IQ test to get a fishing licence or to buy a snowmobile.
ie. I was walking around in a state forest deer hunting and I met up with a guy hunting with duck brown caharts on w/o a stitch of orange :wacko:
I wouldn't want to hit a 2x4 @ 100mph so I mark my spot w/GPS if I have to. @ night I make someone else lead so they crash and I have enough time to avoid a crash.
USE YOUR HEAD AND WE CAN ALL GET ALONG ;D
my $.02
Sorry to hear about your buddies sled Walleyes
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TRAPPER, I DON'T DEFEND ANYONE THAT WOULD DELIBRATLY PUT CONCRETE BLOCKS OR OBSTRUCTIONS OF ANY KIND ON THE ICE TO PURPOUSLY INJURE ANYBODY, I WILL HOWEVER MARK A LARGE HOLE THE WAY I SEE FIT IF YOU THINK THAT IS STUPID FINE, THATS A MATTER OF OPIOION. I DID NOT CALL ANYBODY ANY NAMES TO MAKE MY POINT OR DRAG YOUR WIFE OR ANYONE ELSE'S INTO THIS DISCUSSION.
IF YOU DON'T BELIVE YOU SHOULD BE IN CONTROL OF A MACHINE YOUR ON POSSIBLY YOU ARE A BIGGER PROBLEM OUT THERE THAN YOU REALIZE.
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I like the idea actually, never thought of it. I'm sick of having tipups smashed by snowmobiles. Those that use them in a safe, respectable manner have no reason to worry.
What idea do you like, 2x4s sticking out of the ice or painting them white so people cant see them to even try to avoid them. UNBELIEVABLE!! What if a family member where to hit something like this I bet you would sing a different tune.
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CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG?!?!?
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We can all get along by using the common sense that god gave us .
Deliberately placing an object painted white on the ice is not using that common sense in any way shape or form .
It's really very simple , if you think it's necessary to mark a hole for what ever reason simply grab a few sticks before you go on the ice and use them . Then everyone wins , the holes are marked and if by chance they do get hit by a sled or ATV the operator don't have to be injured or even worse killed .
I don't think any judge and jury with a little common sense would let a painted 2x4 or brick fly in any state . I would be one juror that would either see to it someone spent some time or see to it that it was a hung jury .
We all value our free time , space and equipment but I would hope that loosing a tip up isn't more important than a life .
Again that's what law enforcement and cell phones are for .
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raymond read the entire thread i called no one stupid i said the act was stupid i used a wife as a example i'm sure if walleyes friend was killed his wife would feel the same as if you lost a loved one. they hit a 2x4 18inches painted white!!!!! left on purpose do you get it!!!! there fisherman coming off the ice!!!! thats a act with the sole purpose of hurting someone!!!! do you get it now!!!! you don't stick 2x4's down holes painted white ,whats wrong with you???? now if you can honestly defend that then you have a few issues and i apoligize but i'm not going to back off because some moron out there sticks a 2x4 in the ice and thinks it's funny if a kid hits it and gets killed thats BS
trap
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I ice fished 103 days last year. Not once did the thought come to my mind that I had more right to any part of a lake than somone else that wanted to use it. When your out trolling do you need a napkin to wipe your tears because another boat trolled the same path that you are? ::)
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I use 2X6s painted white with skulls and crossbones. I love skulls and crossbones.
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<<<makes nyfishfinder catch pickeral for that one hahahaha
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i hate it i have a shanty ohh in the middle of no where with a big lake to ride around and they ride less than 10 feet from my door step...c mon i wish there was a way to stop thees jerks.. any ideas???
Well i have a thought here, tip ups are consided traps! thats why we have to tag them right? if you read your trapping rules book, it states " anyone we harasses a trapper is breaking the law and could be arrested" now i don't know how we could make it work for us, especially with a speeding snow mobile that disrepair's??? just a thought :unsure: ;)2
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very easy use your cell phone and call a eco get sled numbers state law is a snowmobile can't go faster then just moving within 100 yrds of you!!!! it's been posted a few times in this tread
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Now trap sometimes people need a good lump on the noggin to make them realize what they are doin is wrong. A pressure treated 2x6 might just be the remedy. And as far as the skull and crossbones, well they are just BA.
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i only wrap someone upside the head if they try stealing my pickeral hot spot nyfish and i know your after mine
trap
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Not sure why anyone would want to make their hole with a 2x4 other than to know where it was so that when they come back the can find where they were fishing in the first place. If this is the sole reason, and I think we would all agree that it poses some risks, why don't you just invest in a good gps. You can easily mark the spot and come back to it (within a few feet) and fish "your spot" again. Another advantage of this is that no one else knows where your "honey-hole" is. By marking it with a stick or worse still, a 2x4, you are telling every other ice fisher where you caught fish.
David
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raymond read the entire thread i called no one stupid i said the act was stupid i used a wife as a example i'm sure if walleyes friend was killed his wife would feel the same as if you lost a loved one. they hit a 2x4 18inches painted white!!!!! left on purpose do you get it!!!! there fisherman coming off the ice!!!! thats a act with the sole purpose of hurting someone!!!! do you get it now!!!! you don't stick 2x4's down holes painted white ,whats wrong with you???? now if you can honestly defend that then you have a few issues and i apoligize but i'm not going to back off because some moron out there sticks a 2x4 in the ice and thinks it's funny if a kid hits it and gets killed thats BS
trap
IF YOU DID READ MY LAST POST YOU WOULD SEE THAT I AM NOT DEFENDING ANYONE THAT TRY TO HURT SOMEONE BY PAINTING 2X4'S WHITE.
I AM TALKING ABOUT MARKING A SPEARING HOLE THAT COULD BE COVERED BY WIND BLOWN SNOW, PICTURE AN ATV HITTING ONE AT ONLY 15 OR 20 MPH. OR SOMEONE STEPPING INTO IT.
DO YOU GET IT NOW??????
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I like the idea actually, never thought of it. I'm sick of having tipups smashed by snowmobiles. Those that use them in a safe, respectable manner have no reason to worry.
What idea do you like, 2x4s sticking out of the ice or painting them white so people cant see them to even try to avoid them. UNBELIEVABLE!! What if a family member where to hit something like this I bet you would sing a different tune.
wouldn't necessarily paint it white, maybe hunter orange. Someone in my family wouldn't hit it, because they'd operate at a safe reasonable speed. It's no different than being on a road, if you hit a large visible object, you're not driving safe. I'm not talking about leaving it out while I'm not there. Carry in and out. Just a way to mark my tipup so it doesn't get crushed.
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I seriously doubt they were put there for the sole purpose of hurting someone.
Sounds like a lack of thought completely through, the guys who put them there and the snowmobile's who hit them.
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raymond this actually occured on a lake in new york! we don't spear pike here if you read the thread you will see that the words "own"the snowmobiler actually appear! were not talking making a large hole that someone could fall in were talking about someone set white 2x4's out with the sole purpose to hurt a snowmobiler,not to mark a dangerous hole or bad ice!!!!the person it happened too was a fellow ice fisherman the 2x4's were unattended !!!! read the whole thread "GET IT" this really isn't even funny
trap
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hmmm....I never read the original poster saying the 2x4 his buddy hit being painted white ??? ??? He did however say it was covered by wind blown snow which would mean no matter what color it was it wouldn't be seen
I try to avoid any lakes that allow snowmobiling simply due to the fact theres always going to be guys who feel they are entitled to use your gear as their trails. I've met plenty of guys on sleds that were curtious and take it slow by me and others who feel they are entitled to blow by me within 15-20' at 80MPH because I'm set up where they want to ride. Unfourtunately the latter happens much more often than the guys who slow down
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I just don't get marking holes to start with. We fish big lakes(14 miles), and I can take you to most everyplace I had a hole last year. If you start from the same place and head the same direction you should be able to see land marks to get you to the same place every time.
Same as finding your stand spot in the woods in my opinion.
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raymond this actually occured on a lake in new york! we don't spear pike here if you read the thread you will see that the words "own"the snowmobiler actually appear! were not talking making a large hole that someone could fall in were talking about someone set white 2x4's out with the sole purpose to hurt a snowmobiler,not to mark a dangerous hole or bad ice!!!!the person it happened too was a fellow ice fisherman the 2x4's were unattended !!!! read the whole thread "GET IT" this really isn't even funny
trap
TARPPER I HAVE READ THIS THREAD SINCE IT STARTED AND THE VERY FIRST POST DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE 2X BEING PAINTED WHITE OR THAT IT WAS PUT OUT WITH INTENT TO DO HARM, THAT WAS SOMEONE ELSE LATER IN THE THREAD THAT THINKS THIS IS A JOKE.
SINCE WE CAN SPEAR PIKE AND STEARGON HERE I'M TALKING A LARGE HOLE.
I HAVE CONTACTED THE MICHIGAN DNR TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS, THEY WOULD RATHER IT IS NOT MAN MADE MATERIALS USED BUT BRANCHES OR SMALL BLOW-DOWNS. IN SOME CASES THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE I.E. YOUR ON A LAKE WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY AROUND THE WHOLE SHORE LINE YA' CAN'T GO IN SOMEONES YARD AND START JERKING OUT BRANCHES FROM THEIR TREES OR BUSHES. THE DNR DID SAY IF ALL YA' HAVE IS A 2X4 BY ALL MEANS USE IT, "DO NOT" LEAVE IT UNMARKED.
I DID ASK THE DNR ABOUT BEING LIABLE IF SOMEONE WOULD HIT WHAT I HAD USED AND DID GET HURT AND I WAS TOLD THAT IF IT WAS OBVIOUS I HAD NO INTENT OF PUTTING OUT A HAZZARD THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEM A RIDER MUST MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THEIR MACHINE.
NO THIS IS NOT FUNNY AND I'M NOT LAUGHING OVER HERE PAL.
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raymond i'm not yelling at you! nor do i think you are the type of person to do anything to harm anyone! no if you think that i apoligize!!!!! it was the person that set the 2x4's then said oh if they where white they were mine!!!! and the way "own" was used was in a way that ment harm a sledder, if there is a large hole yes mark it but we can't spear here! the comments made of i set them and if a sled hits one it's there fault and comments i paint them white and "own" are very serious in nature
trap
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raymond i'm not yelling at you! nor do i think you are the type of person to do anything to harm anyone! no if you think that i apoligize!!!!! it was the person that set the 2x4's then said oh if they where white they were mine!!!! and the way "own" was used was in a way that ment harm a sledder, if there is a large hole yes mark it but we can't spear here! the comments made of i set them and if a sled hits one it's there fault and comments i paint them white and "own" are very serious in nature
trap
Well said trapper!
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troutguy1377,
I am definitely watching this topic...Quite the "read"......LOL
HIya's from Minnesota....
;)
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troutguy1377,
I am definitely watching this topic...Quite the "read"......LOL
HIya's from Minnesota....
;)
I was waiting to here from ya, It is interesting to see the views of people.I wonder if this one will go
to the GRUMPY!!! HAHA
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I don't want to comment yet... ;)
This has been an interesting topic ... & only 2-1/2 days no less...
I'll "be around....
:D
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Allright guys, if you have read this whole thread you know where I stand on the issue
of things on the ice to hit and here is why. In 1999 my brother was riding on the sacandaga with some friends
and family when his ski hit a mound of frozen snow, he was thrown from his sled and in the confusion
was hit by another rider in the group. His neck was broke and he died on the lake that night.
So I might be a little outspoken on this subject, but to the people that bring things out
on the ice to mark holes please remember a tip up is replaceable and not worth something like this
happening. So if you have machines going to fast please call the authorities instead of trying to "OWN"
a rider.
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i am sorry trout a young man i know and a very good kid 18 from oswego was killed on a snowmobile he was a great kid a good hunter and fisherman and the world is less without him in it.... it's no joke don't be stupid and leave stuff to cause a accident ask dannys mom!
trap
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The key here is that we are in NY!
In NY at a minimal you can be fined , I beleive it is up to $500 now (was $200) for leaving trash (propane cylinders) on the ice.
In NY you are liable for placing obstructions like 2x4's and cinder blocks that cause destruction or injury on public domains. Which means not only can you be sued, but could face jail time depending on severity of accident you cause.
Some people want to site navigational rules of boats. But you choose to leave out the fact that in NY you have to have the anchor light on while standing still and fishing.
I live on a lake and fish at night for walleyes all the time. My shanty's all have reflective tape, I have a light on where I am sitting and a lantern at the far side of my tip up layout. The main snomobile trail goes right across our lake, which means we have a ton of snomobile traffic. I've never had a problem. What really cracks me up are the ice fisherman who use the snomobile trail to walk on because the snow is too deep, then step five feet off it to set up. Then you meet up with them where your parked and all they do is blame the sleds for their lack of success or their loud noise.
In the end, not all snomobilers are jerks and not all ice fishermen are very bright.
People need to use common sense!
Jeff
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There are no marked "trails" on open water and the rules state that you are to slow down when approaching a shack or shanty no matter where it is, which rarely happens at midnight or later when someone has to get home from the bar in a hurry to avoid a DWI. I would really like to see someone get a good enough description of a sled or rider in the dark at 70, 80 ,90+ mph that would ID someone well enough to report to law enforcement. I don't agree with trying to hurt someone randomly but I do belive in kicking the snot out of billigerant idiots when caught. Let's not forget this discussion started because of an accident caused in part by both parties the jerk who either did'nt think or tried to leave an obstruction and the guy who wasn't in control of his machine.
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the guy that was on sled was coming off from fishing!!!! he wasn't going fast thats why he's still with use! there was no shanty or anyone near the 2x4 again how can anyone defend that kind of behavior????
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I'm not defending 2x4 guy, whoever left it is either a hazard or just stupid. However just like on the road if you are unable to avoid obstacles in your path you are traveling too fast for the conditions, it could have been anything out there natural or manmade. look at the poor guy who hit a pressure crack last year ended up in open water and managed to pull himself out and still ended up frozen in a nearby shanty whos fault was that? It is a shame but the blame belongs where it belongs. I lost a good friend to a motorcycle accident this summer he was decapitated with 2 small children left behind, its horrible but he made his choice and paid the price for it.
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There are no marked "trails" on open water and the rules state that you are to slow down when approaching a shack or shanty no matter where it is, which rarely happens at midnight or later when someone has to get home from the bar in a hurry to avoid a DWI. I would really like to see someone get a good enough description of a sled or rider in the dark at 70, 80 ,90+ mph that would ID someone well enough to report to law enforcement. I don't agree with trying to hurt someone randomly but I do belive in kicking the snot out of billigerant idiots when caught. Let's not forget this discussion started because of an accident caused in part by both parties the jerk who either did'nt think or tried to leave an obstruction and the guy who wasn't in control of his machine.
Here on Tuscarora the signs end right next to the road along the lake. The snomobiles go right from there right across to the resturant, they leave the other 98% of the lake for us fisherman. There are a couple tracks from fisherman and 1 guy who lives on the lake that are not on that trail, but I never see them buzzing anyone.
I guess we must have learned how to be reasonable and respectful human beings down here some how.
Jeff
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no a choice is to ride having someone leave 2x4's 18 inches above the ice is stupity! ever been on a sled at night? snow storm? read the entire thread , like i said if it's a rainy night and i paint a block black set it in the road are you going to fast when you hit it?
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I'm not defending 2x4 guy, whoever left it is either a hazard or just stupid. However just like on the road if you are unable to avoid obstacles in your path you are traveling too fast for the conditions, it could have been anything out there natural or manmade. look at the poor guy who hit a pressure crack last year ended up in open water and managed to pull himself out and still ended up frozen in a nearby shanty whos fault was that? It is a shame but the blame belongs where it belongs. I lost a good friend to a motorcycle accident this summer he was decapitated with 2 small children left behind, its horrible but he made his choice and paid the price for it.
Are you hearing yourself!!! So IJ everyone that hits a deer on the road is going to fast, everyone that hits a
pothole is going to fast.Come on use your head there was a snowstorm, the 2x4 was covered in snow
and the guy was going slow.We must not all have super human eyes like yourself, but I am pretty sure
that is not the case,you are just being thick headed. Some of you guys hate snowmobiles so much
that whatever they do is going to be wrong in your eyes. I hope you go back and read your post and realize
how ridiculous your statement about hitting something in the road sounds.
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I believe if you hit a deer the insurance companies do consider it your fault. That's why you're not covered if you only have liability.
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I believe if you hit a deer the insurance companies do consider it your fault. That's why you're not covered if you only have liability.
Pretty sure you missed the point, SOME THINGS ARE UNAVOIDABLE no matter how you are driving!!
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If he was traveling slow he wouldn't have destroyed his sled. If you slide off the raod in a snow storm and a trooper shows up it doesn't matter if you were doing 5 or 50 mph you will more than likely get a ticket for unsafe driving, I've seen it happen, and for the record I don't hate machines. I was on chautauqua saturday and was surrounded by them and anyone who moved through the fisherman did so safely and slowly the way it should be, many of them passed within 15 to 20 feet of me which doesn't bother me at all if it's done safely. Anyone who camoflages obstacles should be held accountable just like unsafe riders should. 20 or 30 mph isn't slow because you could be doing 60 the conditions dictate what speed you should be traveling.
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wow...to see these threads evolve use a bigger object next time to mark your hole....like a 4x4 maybe it will be seen a little better than the 2x4 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) ::)
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first no the insurance company considers hitting a deer a act of nature! (act of god) it is covered by not liablity nor no fault but comperhesive.
second the point is NO ONE WAS THERE!!!! it was a act to hurt a snowmobiler!!!! it's illegal!!!! they drilled holes set 2x4's in them!!!! we even got a person on here bragging about painting them white and "owning" the sled, give me a break,now i been on this earth a few years and i do fish at night you set a light out and sleds stay away i have never had a problem
if you can defend this act of terrorism(because thats what it is) then i guess the peta people can cut chains on tree stands hey you should have looked before you fell!!! i guess they can toss a box of screws in our parking lot!!!! covered in snow you backed up to fast you should have seen them!
the truth is your defending something that almost killed a fisherman,why i have no idea!!!! what happened was wrong dangerous and you guys giving the signal that this is acceptable behavior to booby trap the ice because snowmobils are annoying i guess when he gets annoyed your on his lake and you step in a 3 foot hole or your kid does you should have been looking!!!! use your heads
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A friend was riding across Canadarago with a group of snowmobilers Fri night and some idiot stuck a piece of 2X4 in a hole to mark it and the guy hit it head on and smashed the front all up on his sled , lucky no one was hurt or even killed! Use some common sense.
I brought back the Original Post so that everyone could read it again. I think some folks may have forgotten it, along the way ;)
First off, I am surprised at the "commotion" that this topic has started. After reading this topic several times I can say that there are some strong views about this subject.
From what we were told of originally....The good thing about the whole incident , was that it was a good thing that no-one was seriously hurt/killed.
I am a strong believer in marking Spearing holes. I almost went through an un-marked, snow covered one, while drilling holes to ice-fish a couple of years ago. I had some strong words for the SOB that left it that way also. But, I took the time to walk all the way back to the shoreline, about 200 yds. one way, to get a branch to put in the hole to mark it. I also took some surveyors orange tape ( I carry a roll for other ice-fishing uses) & tied it to the branches, so it would be highly visible. I did this for people & kids walking, & vehicles. In Minn. it is the law to mark these holes. The CO's actually take pictures of dark houses sometimes, to verify who was there spearing, so if an incident comes up that someone is hurt/or missing while in the area, they have a way of ID-ing the "scoff-law".
I also want to relate a situation , much like this one, that happened to me about 5 years ago.. ( here is some "ammo" for those of you who may think "I" did the wrong thing after hearing about it.. BTW--- Tough crap.. I'd do it again.)
Leaving the local lake one night after icefishing with a friend in a snow storm. We followed a few vehicles back to the landing to get off the lake. They were in a hurry.... We didn't know them & we were about 250 yds behind in my pickup & traveling slow because of the blowing snow. They were in a hurry & moving faster than us. They apparently reached the landing & the first 2 vehicles went up, & they had made a wave under the ice that broke the ice at the shoreline, but the largest of them, a full-size pickup truck, seeing the ice breaking, gunned it & crossed the broken area & left the scene... Without marking the holes that the vehicles had made! Here we are coming in from behind them going slow & because of "fate", we saw the "fogging" of the warm water thru the snow & stopped about 50 yds from the landing & area of broken ice. We were not happy about this, but we knew of more landings to exit the lake, but we couldn't leave this one without marking it for others who may not know what had happened. So, we got some logs & branches & marked the land & ice side of the broken area as best we could & then set off to the other landing to get off the lake.
Now, here's the "ammo", for any who want to "crab" aboutwhat we did...
We didn't have any surveyors tape at this time.(Another reason I carry it when icefishing, it's what got me started BTW) We left those logs & branches to keep anyone away! I know the logs got covered with snow before daylight. But there were branches sticking up. If some one came along this way in a car or truck, didn't see the branches, & hit one of the logs, They'd certainly stop & see what they hit & why those obstacles were there, & it would prevent them from going in the drink near the landing, & possibly save their lives. Same thing on the land side... If someone was to "fly" over these obstacles going fast... well, I guess that "fate" wasn't going well for them. Hopefully they'd be traveling fast enough to clear the water, & skip to shore, or vice-versa.
SO, did we do the right thing?
YES , we did. We weren't gonna stay there all night & flag folks...We did what we could in a blowing snowstorm. BTW..We also contacted the Sheriff Dept. & they cordoned it off later, but if someone had gone thru the obstacles without checking out why they were there..... Well I guess I would think that it natures way of "sorting out the gene pool". "Fate" once again...
But to get back to this topics' situation....
Now, if I understand right...that spearing is not allowed where this took place, so it was probably an ice-angler.Or, maybe a kid of an ice angler, who at the time, never took it into their mind that this would be a hazard to anyone. And possibly( it hasn't been said) that they used a 10" auger to make the hole, which they only marked while they were in the area, so no-one stepped into it. & then it could be that it was at night, they packed up to go home & forgot they left it there. Regardless, it was left there & it was plain old "fate" that the snowmobiler hit it.
Things like this happen more often than it appears some of you folks may realize.
For an example...Sometimes it's an old steel fence post that got bent over by some farm machinery in the fall during harvest & left to be fixed in the Spring. Some poor rider, comes along at what ever speed & catches it with the ski or the track & bad stuff happens... Can ya do any blaming here? The farmer didn't mean for it to be a hazard... It just happened that some body met up with some "fate", & it was bad.
So, if you look at it like that.. Just plain fate.... It may have been completely unintentional to cause harm, that the person that put it there & left it that way. Yes, it wasn't a good thing for a sled rider(no matter what speed), But maybe the person who did it was trying to keep others who were afoot, from being hurt. Which is a good thing.
Now if the person who put this 2x4 there was intentionally trying to cause a problem for snowmobiles on the lake... & That's hard to know for sure it seems.... But, I'm sure that if they were out to cause trouble, why didn't they put the thing right in the middle of a trail? I don't know how big the lake is where this happened, but unless it was put on, or near a main trail, I don't think that it was set as a trap for sleds.
In my view...Thinking that it was done to harm...That's just conjecture...But, so is thinking it was unintentional...
So , basically, most of the arguments here have been based on a "what if", or "maybe"-type train of thought. Not to say that there isn't any good points being made, But...let's try to "stick to the facts"...not conjecture...
If you want to mark a hazard, try to do it well, so everyone can be aware of it. If you are trying to intentionally hurt someone... Remember that things have a way of coming around back at ya.."what goes around, comes around"<< Karma, i believe is what they call it.. ;)
Try to keep that in mind.
Sorry for my long-winded comment.. No-one forced ya into reading it... ;)
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very true mt however we don't spear here! and we do have a lot of sled traffic also it could have been just a stupid mistake till one person said they paint the 2x4's white and sometime they would"own" the sled! this is a serious act and yes some people have lost friends and loved ones because of stupidty like this, to make excuses and to defend this action is unacceptable! it is illegal to leave such things on the ice or to cause a accident!
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Here's the persons' post you are speaking of....
crappieloo « Reply #28 on: Jan 25, 2009, 11:08 AM »
If the hole was 10 inches and the 2x4 was white it was probably mine.Try fishing at night all the time and see what happens. They( some sleds) are on a drunken mission to destroy shelters and equipment.I started using white 2x4s because I could ID those as my own, rather than unpainted ones or propane tanks. I had to switch to wood because the crude sled guys that ruined my equipment started complain when my ''sled deterants'' did their job.
Here's a couple of my quotes, Nov 18, 2003, 11:33 PM
Started by Da_Roc,
''Were gettin pretty old to pull the stunts we use to. 4 TO 6 white painted cement blocks 10 to 20 yards out of the tent does the trick ''
Jan 13, 2008, 11:03 AM
Started by prchslyr,
''I fish mostly at night and always mark my holes with white cement blocks so the sleds don't run in my 10''+ holes. ''
And...
« Reply #36 on: Jan 25, 2009, 03:03 PM »
Now after you guys are done spouting off I guess you didn't understand the post. Try fishing all night with these jerks threatening your equipment,shelters and life! Cursing A stationary object cannot harm a sober considerate rider,plain and simple. Why do you think Dave Genz changed the original color for the fish traps from white to blue?Well guess what that didn't work either :%$#!:Now they have reflectors on them for ''targets'' for the drunk snomoslobs. If I'm out there all alone I'm defenseless.People that ''own'' a lake are half drunk ,running 90mph for hunderds of miles and are evenually going to get ''owned''.
Yes, crappieloo is apparently telling everyone that it seems to be OK to do things like this, according to his/her posts & the quotes above.
Trapper2000, I happen to disagree with crappieloo also.
To do this type of action is illegal anywhere I can think of, in the USA. To deliberately set a "booby-trap", in order to maliciously injure/maim , or possibly kill someone isn't an acceptable method to address any public grievance.
There are better ways to handle conflicts between sleds & anglers... Some have been mentioned...Take a picture of the offender(s) & pass them on to the authorities...That works well, most of us carry a camera nowadays...
Ever tried using an orange cone like the ones kids use to "slalom" around with their bikes & skateboards? Pretty inexpensive( even at the local Hardware.. around a $1.50.00 if I recall correctly), I use them myself, to keep others away from my tip-ups.
Crappieloo , you may want to try some of these other options...( & remember that there are youngsters who come in here to read, also.)
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mnsportsmen i think we got off on the wrong foot and i apoligize and i wouldn't think you would agree
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a glo stick on a tip up and a lite gas latern works well too again mnsportsmen sorry for the misunderstanding
trap
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I brought back the Original Post so that everyone could read it again. I think some folks may have forgotten it, along the way ;)
First off, I am surprised at the "commotion" that this topic has started. After reading this topic several times I can say that there are some strong views about this subject.
From what we were told of originally....The good thing about the whole incident , was that it was a good thing that no-one was seriously hurt/killed.
I am a strong believer in marking Spearing holes. I almost went through an un-marked, snow covered one, while drilling holes to ice-fish a couple of years ago. I had some strong words for the SOB that left it that way also. But, I took the time to walk all the way back to the shoreline, about 200 yds. one way, to get a branch to put in the hole to mark it. I also took some surveyors orange tape ( I carry a roll for other ice-fishing uses) & tied it to the branches, so it would be highly visible. I did this for people & kids walking, & vehicles. In Minn. it is the law to mark these holes. The CO's actually take pictures of dark houses sometimes, to verify who was there spearing, so if an incident comes up that someone is hurt/or missing while in the area, they have a way of ID-ing the "scoff-law".
I also want to relate a situation , much like this one, that happened to me about 5 years ago.. ( here is some "ammo" for those of you who may think "I" did the wrong thing after hearing about it.. BTW--- Tough crap.. I'd do it again.)
Leaving the local lake one night after icefishing with a friend in a snow storm. We followed a few vehicles back to the landing to get off the lake. They were in a hurry.... We didn't know them & we were about 250 yds behind in my pickup & traveling slow because of the blowing snow. They were in a hurry & moving faster than us. They apparently reached the landing & the first 2 vehicles went up, & they had made a wave under the ice that broke the ice at the shoreline, but the largest of them, a full-size pickup truck, seeing the ice breaking, gunned it & crossed the broken area & left the scene... Without marking the holes that the vehicles had made! Here we are coming in from behind them going slow & because of "fate", we saw the "fogging" of the warm water thru the snow & stopped about 50 yds from the landing & area of broken ice. We were not happy about this, but we knew of more landings to exit the lake, but we couldn't leave this one without marking it for others who may not know what had happened. So, we got some logs & branches & marked the land & ice side of the broken area as best we could & then set off to the other landing to get off the lake.
Now, here's the "ammo", for any who want to "crab" aboutwhat we did...
We didn't have any surveyors tape at this time.(Another reason I carry it when icefishing, it's what got me started BTW) We left those logs & branches to keep anyone away! I know the logs got covered with snow before daylight. But there were branches sticking up. If some one came along this way in a car or truck, didn't see the branches, & hit one of the logs, They'd certainly stop & see what they hit & why those obstacles were there, & it would prevent them from going in the drink near the landing, & possibly save their lives. Same thing on the land side... If someone was to "fly" over these obstacles going fast... well, I guess that "fate" wasn't going well for them. Hopefully they'd be traveling fast enough to clear the water, & skip to shore, or vice-versa.
SO, did we do the right thing?
YES , we did. We weren't gonna stay there all night & flag folks...We did what we could in a blowing snowstorm. BTW..We also contacted the Sheriff Dept. & they cordoned it off later, but if someone had gone thru the obstacles without checking out why they were there..... Well I guess I would think that it natures way of "sorting out the gene pool". "Fate" once again...
But to get back to this topics' situation....
Now, if I understand right...that spearing is not allowed where this took place, so it was probably an ice-angler.Or, maybe a kid of an ice angler, who at the time, never took it into their mind that this would be a hazard to anyone. And possibly( it hasn't been said) that they used a 10" auger to make the hole, which they only marked while they were in the area, so no-one stepped into it. & then it could be that it was at night, they packed up to go home & forgot they left it there. Regardless, it was left there & it was plain old "fate" that the snowmobiler hit it.
Things like this happen more often than it appears some of you folks may realize.
For an example...Sometimes it's an old steel fence post that got bent over by some farm machinery in the fall during harvest & left to be fixed in the Spring. Some poor rider, comes along at what ever speed & catches it with the ski or the track & bad stuff happens... Can ya do any blaming here? The farmer didn't mean for it to be a hazard... It just happened that some body met up with some "fate", & it was bad.
So, if you look at it like that.. Just plain fate.... It may have been completely unintentional to cause harm, that the person that put it there & left it that way. Yes, it wasn't a good thing for a sled rider(no matter what speed), But maybe the person who did it was trying to keep others who were afoot, from being hurt. Which is a good thing.
Now if the person who put this 2x4 there was intentionally trying to cause a problem for snowmobiles on the lake... & That's hard to know for sure it seems.... But, I'm sure that if they were out to cause trouble, why didn't they put the thing right in the middle of a trail? I don't know how big the lake is where this happened, but unless it was put on, or near a main trail, I don't think that it was set as a trap for sleds.
In my view...Thinking that it was done to harm...That's just conjecture...But, so is thinking it was unintentional...
So , basically, most of the arguments here have been based on a "what if", or "maybe"-type train of thought. Not to say that there isn't any good points being made, But...let's try to "stick to the facts"...not conjecture...
If you want to mark a hazard, try to do it well, so everyone can be aware of it. If you are trying to intentionally hurt someone... Remember that things have a way of coming around back at ya.."what goes around, comes around"<< Karma, i believe is what they call it.. ;)
Try to keep that in mind.
Sorry for my long-winded comment.. No-one forced ya into reading it... ;)
Hey Mn, I think you were absolutely right in what you did,then contacted the authorities. That was the proper
way to handle that situation. I did not forget the original post as a matter of fact I never commented on the subject
until crappieloo said that he and others were setting traps for snowmachines. As far as knowing if the 2x4 was
put there to cause damage we may never know? But maybe someone that uses them will read this and choose
to use something not so dangerous to mark a fishing hole.
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If he was traveling slow he wouldn't have destroyed his sled. If you slide off the raod in a snow storm and a trooper shows up it doesn't matter if you were doing 5 or 50 mph you will more than likely get a ticket for unsafe driving, I've seen it happen, and for the record I don't hate machines. I was on chautauqua saturday and was surrounded by them and anyone who moved through the fisherman did so safely and slowly the way it should be, many of them passed within 15 to 20 feet of me which doesn't bother me at all if it's done safely. Anyone who camoflages obstacles should be held accountable just like unsafe riders should. 20 or 30 mph isn't slow because you could be doing 60 the conditions dictate what speed you should be traveling.
In your previous post you said hitting an obstacle in the road, nothing about a snow storm? I dont think driving
in a snowstorm and hitting something in the road are comparable. Dont go back on what you wrote before
you know you were wrong because some things are unavoidable!
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They have no problem destroying our equipment, turnabout is fair play. We had a guy in a sailboat tear off 4 reef runners and 2 jet divers one year on Erie so we pulled along side took out the flare gun and told him he was gonna pay for 'em one way or another and we got our money on the spot, alot cheaper than a new sail.
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i see this irish and i wonder if you know a sailboat has the right of way on the water ???? a flair gun huh????this is excactly what were saying you don't do or take actions like that you shot a flare at me your going to jail for assult with a deadly weapon not to mention signallinga distruss without warrent!!!!
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Now after you guys are done spouting off I guess you didn't understand the post. Try fishing all night with these jerks threatening your equipment,shelters and life! :%$#!: A stationary object cannot harm a sober considerate rider,plain and simple. Why do you think Dave Genz changed the original color for the fish traps from white to blue?Well guess what that didn't work either :%$#!:Now they have reflectors on them for ''targets'' for the drunk snomoslobs. If I'm out there all alone I'm defenseless.People that ''own'' a lake are half drunk ,running 90mph for hunderds of miles and are evenually going to get ''owned''.
If the hole was 10 inches and the 2x4 was white it was probably mine.Try fishing at night all the time and see what happens. They( some sleds) are on a drunken mission to destroy shelters and equipment.I started using white 2x4s because I could ID those as my own, rather than unpainted ones or propane tanks. I had to switch to wood because the crude sled guys that ruined my equipment started complain when my ''sled deterants'' did their job.
Here's a couple of my quotes, Nov 18, 2003, 11:33 PM
Started by Da_Roc,
''Were gettin pretty old to pull the stunts we use to. 4 TO 6 white painted cement blocks 10 to 20 yards out of the tent does the trick ''
Jan 13, 2008, 11:03 AM
Started by prchslyr,
''I fish mostly at night and always mark my holes with white cement blocks so the sleds don't run in my 10''+ holes. ''
now this is what you want to defend???????????? and someone that shots a flair gun at a sailboat????? i think the danger is people like this.... it's uncalled for and everyone with any common sence knows it
trap
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No apologies are necessary..
:)
Personally...I think everyone should "Watch their Bobber!"
;)
(or "Float" if.... in your part of the country they don't say "bobber"... ;) )
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People really should be mindful of the next guy no matter what sport it may be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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where in my posts did i say I shot at anyone? and just a bit more info for you.
US Coast Guard
Inland steering and sailing rules rule # 18 responsabilities between vessels
A. a power driven vessel under way shall keep out of the way of:
1. a vessel not under command
2. a vessel limited in her ability to maneuver
3. a vessel engaged in fishing, and
4. a sailing vessel
B. a sailing vessel under way shall keep out of the way of:
1. a vessel not under command
2. a vessel limited in her ability to maneuver
3. A VESSEL ENGAGED IN FISHING
C. A VESSEL ENGAGED IN FISHING SHALL TO THE BEST OF THIER ABILITY KEEP OUT OF THE WAY OF:
1. AVESSEL NOT UNDER COMMAND, AND
2. A VESSEL LIMITED IN HER ABILITY TO MANEUVER.
Where does it say a sailboat has the right of way to a vessel fishing? and read my posts a little closer, at no time did I condone the action of leaving debris on the ice for the intent of harming a person or machine so I'll repeat it for you again trapper, anyone who leaves obstacles on the ice for the purpose of harming someone should be held accountable just as unsafe riders should. You did'nt do too well in reading comprehension in school did you?
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irish i was on the sacandaga last year and hooked a sail boat. I saw the boat and it jibbed or jabbeb right across my lines i lost a nice rapala. I wish i had something to fire at those self entitled but heads. the name of the sailboat was " friends" no lie.
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i hate it i have a shanty ohh in the middle of no where with a big lake to ride around and they ride less than 10 feet from my door step...c mon i wish there was a way to stop thees jerks.. any ideas???
Apparently you can stop them by putting a 2x4 in a hole... ::) ;D ;D :clap: :clap: :thumbsup:
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I never fired anything, I simply gave him a choice to pay me for my $60 worth of equipment or pay for a much more expensive sail. once your lines hit the water people have to avoid you, not the other way around ,people who don't know or think they know the rules of the road should educate themselves before they run thier mouth, these same thoughts are what lead sailboaters to also feel entitled and untouchable on the water.
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They have no problem destroying our equipment, turnabout is fair play. We had a guy in a sailboat tear off 4 reef runners and 2 jet divers one year on Erie so we pulled along side took out the flare gun and told him he was gonna pay for 'em one way or another and we got our money on the spot, alot cheaper than a new sail
irish this is your orignal post i'd say that its condoning!!!! and you state you "took out the flair gun" us ccoast guard rules state a sail boat under sail takes president over the water ways except a anchored ship!
They have no problem destroying our equipment, turnabout is fair play. <<<< this is condoning the activity
so we pulled along side took out the flare gun and told him he was gonna pay for 'em one way or another and we got our money on the spot, alot cheaper than a new sail <<<< this is a illegal act of threatening with a lethal weapon
trap
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where in my posts did i say I shot at anyone? and just a bit more info for you.
US Coast Guard
Inland steering and sailing rules rule # 18 responsabilities between vessels
A. a power driven vessel under way shall keep out of the way of:
1. a vessel not under command
2. a vessel limited in her ability to maneuver
3. a vessel engaged in fishing, and
4. a sailing vessel
B. a sailing vessel under way shall keep out of the way of:
1. a vessel not under command
2. a vessel limited in her ability to maneuver
3. A VESSEL ENGAGED IN FISHING
C. A VESSEL ENGAGED IN FISHING SHALL TO THE BEST OF THIER ABILITY KEEP OUT OF THE WAY OF:
1. AVESSEL NOT UNDER COMMAND, AND
2. A VESSEL LIMITED IN HER ABILITY TO MANEUVER.
Where does it say a sailboat has the right of way to a vessel fishing? and read my posts a little closer, at no time did I condone the action of leaving debris on the ice for the intent of harming a person or machine so I'll repeat it for you again trapper, anyone who leaves obstacles on the ice for the purpose of harming someone should be held accountable just as unsafe riders should. You did'nt do too well in reading comprehension in school did you?
on the next page!
In open water, a sailboat under sail alone has right of way over a power driven vessel. In traffic lanes, a narrow channel or a fairway (if you're not sure what or where these are, check on a NOAA navigational chart and a Coast Pilot for the area you plan to sail) a sailing vessel, a vessel engaged in fishing and any vessel less than 20 meters in length must not impede the progress of a vessel greater than 20 meters participating in the traffic system.
Two points unrelated to sailboats, but that are important to know when interacting with fishing boats. A vessel engaged in trawling, or other fishing other than trolling, has right of way over a power driven vessel (not a sailing vessel) if it is not in a traffic lane, narrow channel or fairway. A vessel engaged in trolling (dragging lines behind them, even long-liners) is not considered a fishing vessel so far as the Rules of the Road are concerned, it is simply a power driven vessel, and must yield right of way as such. Ski boats, similarly, are afforded no consideration above and beyond that of a power driven vessel.
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WOW, we really have covered some ground. We went from 2x4 in the ice ,to painted white cement blocks,
to guys pointing flare guns at sail boats, he11 we even got the US coast guard in on this.
Bottom line, please do not put dangerous objects on the ice it could kill someone.
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I read the irish jigger post & the trapper 2000 post responding to it....
When I read Irish jiggers post the first time, I thought about it & then moved down the page & read Trapper 2000's post.
My regrets irish jigger, but by your post & the summary provided by Trapper2000,....
He's right on this one.. The sailing vessel has right of way...
I'm not gonna argue the points of maritime law here.. You folks should do that in a different topic...
I still think that the person that was putting a 2x4 into a ice fishing hole, wasn't trying to cause grief to "sledders". The results aren't good for those on sleds & maybe,good for those who are not......
Next?
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I don't understand why anyone would mark there spot with anything! Your just signaling to others where your catching fish. I mark my spots on my GPS as a way point then just drill a new hole when I go back. That way no on get hurt and I still have my spot.
Seems like there is a lack of common sense on both parts of people who mark there spots with what ever and the snowmobilers who don't respect one equipment. Oh that's right our society has lost that. Its always the other persons fault.
I can't believe this thread went on this long!
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A friend was riding across Canadarago with a group of snowmobilers Fri night and some idiot stuck a piece of 2X4 in a hole to mark it and the guy hit it head on and smashed the front all up on his sled , lucky no one was hurt or even killed! Use some common sense.
How does this snowmobiler even know if the 2x4 was indeed marking a fishing hole and was put there by an ice fisherman???? You know what the word "assume" means right :-\
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trout is right bottom line please don't put things on the ice that can cause harm
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Just a few quick questions....
#1 - does anyone really think that a 10" hole would bother a snowmobile? I don't &
I ride & fish.
#2 - You guys who do mark your holes with 2x4's and concrete blocks, do you
ever take them off of the lake or do leave it there so it floats in the spring
and becomes a floating hazard for us boaters also?
Just wondering .
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Just a few quick questions....
#1 - does anyone really think that a 10" hole would bother a snowmobile? I don't &
I ride & fish.
#2 - You guys who do mark your holes with 2x4's and concrete blocks, do you
ever take them off of the lake or do leave it there so it floats in the spring
and becomes a floating hazard for us boaters also?
Just wondering .
I'm not siding with anyone but last time I checked concrete blocks don't float ;D ;D
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TRAP, I THINK YOU KNOW THAT I COULD NOT SUPPORT ANY KIND OF INTENT TO HURT ANYONE WITH WHITE BLOCKS, WHITE BOARDS OR WHATEVER. I BELIVE THIS TYPE OF PERSON WOULD BE A GOOD MARKER FOR A SPEARING HOLE BUT I'M AFRAID THEY WOULD JUST POLUTE THE LAKE.
YA' HAVE TO BE CARFULL ON THE POND SUMMER AND WINTER. ONE OF THE LAKES I FISH WITH THE BOAT THERE ARE A LOT OF STUMPS AND A LOT OF THEM ARE SUBMERGED,,,I HAVE TO BE CAREFULL AND THATS NOT EASY WITH A BOAT.
YA' HAVE TO REMEMBER THE ICE IS JUST A FROZEN LAKE, NOT A FROZEN TRAIL. THERE ARE PLACES WHERE THERE IS A TRAIL OVER A LAKE OR A RIVER AND PEOPLE KNOW OF THEM. IF YOUR OFF A KNOWN TRAIL YA' HAVE TO BE CAREFULL,,EVEN MORE SO GOING THROUGH A KNOWN FISHING AREA.
YA' CAN'T ASSUME WE HAVE SOME SORT OF BIRTH-RITE TO GO RIDING OVER THE ICE AND THERE WILL NOT BE ANYTHING IN OUR PATH.
REMEMBER, I'M NOT DEFENDING ANYONE'S BAD ACTIONS
I AM NOT SAYING ITS OK TO LEAVE ALL KINDS OF CRAP ALL OVER THE ICE,,,,I'M JUST SAYING LETS BE CARFULL OUT THERE,,,,crap HAPPENS!
RAYMAN54 :icefish:
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Seems like it might be about time to stick this whole thread down a hole...
And leave it unmarked, so no one else will find it...
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Seems like it might be about time to stick this whole thread down a hole...
And leave it unmarked, so no one else will find it...
AMEN TO THAT
Time to put this baby to bed, the horse is dead!
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Time to put this baby to bed, the horse is dead!
The horse was dead a week ago...
Only trouble is, someone buried the horse on a lake and marked the grave with wall studs or something...
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white 4x4 anyone? ;D ;D ;D