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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #180 on: Nov 26, 2021, 01:59 PM »
I saw possession limits mentioned a few times. They do vary widely by state so make sure you check it. Not just in what the number is but what actually applies to the limit. In some states, fish you have at your home in your freezer count towards that limit. In others, its only fish you have with you in the field or in transport and fish in your freezer at home do not count. Idaho is that way for example. We have a 3X the daily limit for possession but fish at home in your freezer on your property do not apply to that limit.



What's the use of a limit then? Get your daily limit, take them home, put in freezer, go back out....I don't get it??

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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #181 on: Nov 26, 2021, 02:51 PM »
Personally, ice fishing is my time to catch keepers for the table. I'm not talking about breeder size game fish, just table sized, as well as bigger panfish like yellow & white perch, crappie, etc.

During the open water season, I mainly fish on the St Lawrence River, too polluted for me to keep any from there, and it's mainly a trophy fishery. So mostly catch and release from April to November.

On ice, I stick mainly to remote / pristine lakes, and fish from under ice in deep lakes taste way better than those caught in weedy / muddy / warmer waters. I'll keep my bag limit per species if fishing is good.

Lucky for us, Quebec is blessed with over 300,000 lakes, and many thousand of rivers. Granted, most are closed to ice fishing, but still, there is no shortage up here.
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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #182 on: Nov 26, 2021, 03:48 PM »
Not a fan of slots, don't care to be forced to release dead fish. If fish aren't going to make it they should be kept or at least count against your limit imo. Regs in ND are pretty basic with almost no size restrictions and I have no complaints about quality of fishing here. Would rather see limits decreased than add slots.

What do you mean forced to release dead fish? It's pretty simple here. You catch a walleye that is too large for the table, so you take your picture and put it back. Minimum time out of the water. You really shouldn't have any dead fish? Unless you are fishing in too deep of water to release them.

Here in Sask the fishing is nothing like what it was 50 years ago, or even 25 years ago and it probably isn't much different down there. Stricter limits and slots are essential to safeguard the pops. I agree that limits should be reduced to avoid abuse, but slots on some lakes just improve the quality and number of fish. Not everywhere, but in some fisheries.

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« Reply #183 on: Nov 26, 2021, 03:55 PM »
I donít agree with slot limits while ice fishing because you have to measure the fish.  When measuring fish ice fishing this usually involves laying the fish on the ice and keeping it out of the water longer than necessary only to find out you have to release it.  I think most of us know what happens when you lay a releasable fish on the ice, you freeze off its slime layer and possibly freeze itís eyes and fins causing permanent damage or even death of the fish.  Now before everyone jumps my case just remember that fishing in general always has the potential to kill the fish if you C&R but we need to take whatever steps possible to reduce damage to the fish.  There is no perfect equation for C&R we just need to do the best we can and slot limits through the ice in my opinion are not good for C&R.

I haven't heard too much about slime freezing. The YouTubers stress that dipping the board in the water helps protect the fish, and then minimum time out of water to protect their eyes and gills. I guess if you are fishing outside the shack and it is very cold then it would make sense to just get em back down asap.
Fishing inside a warm tent protects the fish you pull up too, and gives you more time to measure em.

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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #184 on: Nov 26, 2021, 05:36 PM »
I keep enough for a meal & then I throw them back.  I don't freeze fish. If Im hungry for fish I go catch more. Fish are easy to get anytime of the year. Why freeze them ? frozen fish comes in a yellow box  :o I don't eat trout too fishy 

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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #185 on: Nov 26, 2021, 05:47 PM »
Too deep of water, deep hooked fish, poor handling, extreme weather conditions. Plenty of people mean well and release fish only for them to be floating later that day. The musky study is an example of that. (I personally don't musky fish when surface temps are high but some think it's acceptable) From my experience most don't take barotrauma serious and believe any fish that makes it under the ice is going to live. In deep water situations Id much rather keep my couple fish and quit than possibly killing more than my limit. Same goes for deep hooked fish, rather count them against my limit than kill an extra fish.

Fishing in ND is "better than ever" "we're living in the golden yearsĒ  according to some involved in our fisheries management. I personally agree with them to an extent.
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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #186 on: Nov 26, 2021, 07:00 PM »
I keep enough for a meal & then I throw them back.  I don't freeze fish. If Im hungry for fish I go catch more. Fish are easy to get anytime of the year. Why freeze them ? frozen fish comes in a yellow box  :o I don't eat trout too fishy


I ice fish every chance I get and limit out quite a bit. I freeze 500-1000 fish every winter gets me through the year until it's time to ice fish again. I work construction so summer time is busy season and I don't get much open water fishing in.
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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #187 on: Nov 26, 2021, 08:46 PM »
I watch a lot of ice fishing videos on Youtube and I see a LOT of catch and release videos.
Jen and I are always sitting there asking each other why. I mean... It wouldn't even occur to us, unless they were not keepers or were breeders.

But all the time, we are seeing eaters being tossed all day long and none kept too many time.
We just dont get it.

Anyone here that can explain this to me, I would listen with an open mind but I honestly just dont get it.

If you have a self sustaining fishery eating a few is fine. Where I am from most fisheries (pike, walleye, perch, whitefish)are declared vulnerable which means they don't have enough breeders to sustain the fishery and you don't get more breeders if you are keeping lots of eaters. Almost all our lakes for walleye are on a draw system, with slot limits and you have to put in for a draw to keep walleye. If drawn it is about 2-3 fish per year out of that lake for the year for that species and you only get 1 (walleye) draw per year. Stillwater trout lakes are stocked and most are managed as "put and take" fisheries and allow a harvest of 5 trout/day any size.  Rivers are not stocked but most have very small if any harvest limits with slot limits. Our govt. for the most part refuses to put money into stocking with the exception of trout fisheries. I have always liked catching fish more than eating them and in our province "catch and release" is the only reason we have a fishery at all.

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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #188 on: Nov 27, 2021, 01:26 AM »
Lakes and rivers should be managed so people can take some fish home to eat. If they can't handle that and are catch and release only I will not be wasting my time there.

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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #189 on: Nov 27, 2021, 05:54 AM »
If you have a self sustaining fishery eating a few is fine. Where I am from most fisheries (pike, walleye, perch, whitefish)are declared vulnerable which means they don't have enough breeders to sustain the fishery and you don't get more breeders if you are keeping lots of eaters. Almost all our lakes for walleye are on a draw system, with slot limits and you have to put in for a draw to keep walleye. If drawn it is about 2-3 fish per year out of that lake for the year for that species and you only get 1 (walleye) draw per year. Stillwater trout lakes are stocked and most are managed as "put and take" fisheries and allow a harvest of 5 trout/day any size.  Rivers are not stocked but most have very small if any harvest limits with slot limits. Our govt. for the most part refuses to put money into stocking with the exception of trout fisheries. I have always liked catching fish more than eating them and in our province "catch and release" is the only reason we have a fishery at all.

dang that really sounds bad.  what state are you in?  what happened to your lakes around there?  im with newlee, i wouldnt even fish lakes like that.  maybe they should shut them down to fishing for a few years so they can rebound?
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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #190 on: Nov 27, 2021, 12:17 PM »
Buddy of mine did a lot of research over the last few years and found that even though the food savers work that there is a better option. He gets into freezers and stuff too. 

Really smart guy.

 Thought I would share.  Looking to get one of these chamber vacs myself.



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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #191 on: Nov 27, 2021, 01:02 PM »
Lakes and rivers should be managed so people can take some fish home to eat. If they can't handle that and are catch and release only I will not be wasting my time there.

I fish over 50 days a year and rarely keep any but I have never wasted time fishing............... ...ever. Some of the best memories I have are when I am fishing with friends and family and deciding not to keep fish doesn't really effect my experience, but each to their own.

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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #192 on: Nov 27, 2021, 02:24 PM »
I fish over 50 days a year and rarely keep any but I have never wasted time fishing............... ...ever. Some of the best memories I have are when I am fishing with friends and family and deciding not to keep fish doesn't really effect my experience, but each to their own.

+1 on this. I fish 50-80 days a year, depending on the weather, and most years I keep somewhere between 2 and about a dozen fish for the entire year, and some years none at all. I never really consider it a waste of time being out, either.

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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #193 on: Nov 27, 2021, 02:26 PM »
I fish for the joy but most of all to eat.
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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #194 on: Nov 27, 2021, 08:56 PM »
  We all need to remember that we all fish for different reasons and there is no right or wrong way to do it as long as you are not breaking the law.  I support anyone who only fishes for food and I support anyone who only fishes for sport because ďWeĒ as a fishing community need to stand together so we can defend ourselves against those who want to take away our rights to fish and hunt.  The best weapon the antiís have against us is to separate us and make us fight amongst ourselves giving them the in they need to slip in some BS reg that works to take away our rights.  Threads like this are dangerous and helps develop opposition amongst us.  It didnít dawn on me till I went back and reread the thread and noticed all the arguing going on but I think it would be very smart if the OP would delete this thread.  I hope every one has a safe and fun season.
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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
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« Reply #196 on: Nov 27, 2021, 10:21 PM »
For Youtubers, the video and the revenue it can generate are far more important than the fish. Anything that someone else might object to is going to impact their views and revenue. No one I know likes to see anyone else catch and keep fish except them.

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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #197 on: Nov 28, 2021, 03:32 AM »


          I see that this topic has many different responses, Fishing is fun but I do like eating fish. I keep what I am going to eat. There are some people
          that fish for the numbers and they don't eat them all. They go to waste in the freezer. When Perch fishing, we're allowed 50 a day, me I only keep
          about 15 for a meal with family. As for bigger fish Like Lake Trout we're allowed 2 a day with various lengths depending on the body of water. I only
          keep one but might catch and release a dozen or so.

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« Reply #198 on: Nov 28, 2021, 06:58 AM »

 Stay within the regs and life is good
  And donít waste a resource
 

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« Reply #199 on: Nov 28, 2021, 07:33 AM »
Stay within the regs and life is good
  And donít waste a resource
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« Reply #200 on: Nov 29, 2021, 04:55 PM »
Selective harvest is the way to go, whether you keep 5 or 50.  I don't think anyone has mentioned the situation that occurs when too many of the big bull bluegills are taken out.  Since their genetics are no longer very prevalent, the genetics from the quickly sexually maturing and slow growing bluegills replace the good ones.

Some people may think that the lake/pond is full of dinks from over-population, but in fact, it is full of crap genetics because the greedy folks had to keep the 9"+ gills instead of the 7-8" gills.  The meat from two 7" bluegills is probably close to equal to the meat of one 9" bluegill, maybe a bit more.  And if more people did that, there would be plenty of eater fish AND picture-worthy fish for subsequent years.

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« Reply #201 on: Nov 29, 2021, 05:51 PM »
Selective harvest is the way to go, whether you keep 5 or 50.  I don't think anyone has mentioned the situation that occurs when too many of the big bull bluegills are taken out.  Since their genetics are no longer very prevalent, the genetics from the quickly sexually maturing and slow growing bluegills replace the good ones.

Some people may think that the lake/pond is full of dinks from over-population, but in fact, it is full of crap genetics because the greedy folks had to keep the 9"+ gills instead of the 7-8" gills.  The meat from two 7" bluegills is probably close to equal to the meat of one 9" bluegill, maybe a bit more.  And if more people did that, there would be plenty of eater fish AND picture-worthy fish for subsequent years.

....stop making sense.

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« Reply #202 on: Nov 29, 2021, 07:55 PM »
Selective harvest is the way to go, whether you keep 5 or 50.  I don't think anyone has mentioned the situation that occurs when too many of the big bull bluegills are taken out.  Since their genetics are no longer very prevalent, the genetics from the quickly sexually maturing and slow growing bluegills replace the good ones.

Some people may think that the lake/pond is full of dinks from over-population, but in fact, it is full of crap genetics because the greedy folks had to keep the 9"+ gills instead of the 7-8" gills.  The meat from two 7" bluegills is probably close to equal to the meat of one 9" bluegill, maybe a bit more.  And if more people did that, there would be plenty of eater fish AND picture-worthy fish for subsequent years.

To each their own. A eater to one person may not be to the other. Or maybe that guy is a weekend warrior so he only gets a couple days a month to fish so keeps anything that will eat. I don't knock which ever way you choose to be. My self if i feel it's and eater I'm keeping it. Unless there is a legal size
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« Reply #203 on: Nov 29, 2021, 07:55 PM »
Selective harvest is the way to go, whether you keep 5 or 50.  I don't think anyone has mentioned the situation that occurs when too many of the big bull bluegills are taken out.  Since their genetics are no longer very prevalent, the genetics from the quickly sexually maturing and slow growing bluegills replace the good ones.

Some people may think that the lake/pond is full of dinks from over-population, but in fact, it is full of crap genetics because the greedy folks had to keep the 9"+ gills instead of the 7-8" gills.  The meat from two 7" bluegills is probably close to equal to the meat of one 9" bluegill, maybe a bit more.  And if more people did that, there would be plenty of eater fish AND picture-worthy fish for subsequent years.

To each their own. A eater to one person may not be to the other. Or maybe that guy is a weekend warrior so he only gets a couple days a month to fish so keeps anything that will eat. I don't knock which ever way you choose to be. My self if i feel it's and eater I'm keeping it. Unless there is a legal size
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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #204 on: Nov 30, 2021, 08:07 AM »
In our case here in Maine there are warning from IFW not to eat too many fish as they contain Mercury.
That is the biggest reason we release most everything.

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« Reply #205 on: Nov 30, 2021, 08:28 AM »
Iíve been practicing catch and release for over 20 years now.  Itís my own little attempt to help preserve the fish populations.  Iím 65, and the waters I frequent donít have nearly the number of fish they did when I was younger.  Itís not even close.  Some bodies of water arenít even worth fishing anymore.  I donít begrudge anyone keeping fish they plan to eat.  Itís perfectly legal.  But I do get mad when I see people abusing the creel limits or killing fish they have no intent on eating.  Just my 2 cents. 

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« Reply #206 on: Nov 30, 2021, 10:45 AM »
What's the use of a limit then? Get your daily limit, take them home, put in freezer, go back out....I don't get it??

That's not how it works.
Here in Alaska we have a daily limit.
You cannot exceed the daily limit in any one 24-hour period.
Then we have a possession limit which is two times the daily limit.
That is to allow people to go camping and fishing, for a weekend for instance, then catch and keep fish both days.
Beyond that there is no limit to how many fish you may have at home.
But in order for you to have more than a possession of limit of fish on you you must either have all the information,( name address license number) of the other person who caught it or the fish must be preserved in a manner that makes them fit for consumption after 14 days.
Vacuum sealed and Frozen, smoked, pressure canned, etc.
Virtually everyone in Alaska puts up salmon in the summer when they are running and halibut from the ocean when they are available in the summer.
If they didn't allow that we'd be bearing down on the capital with pitchforks and torches!
But at no time are you allowed to exceed the daily limit or The possession limit.
So no, you cannot run home throw them in your freezer and come back and catch a second limit.
Not legally anyway!
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« Reply #207 on: Nov 30, 2021, 12:55 PM »
How about when the fish are just chemically polluted and too harmful for consumption, you just release them back.  ;)
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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #208 on: Nov 30, 2021, 02:18 PM »
What's the use of a limit then? Get your daily limit, take them home, put in freezer, go back out....I don't get it??



Most of us have a moral compass and are capable of following a simple regulation, such as a daily limit.

On the other hand, psychopaths have the inability to distinguish between right and wrong... some even look for validation from others for their behavior??

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Re: Catch & Release ... WHO & WHY?
« Reply #209 on: Nov 30, 2021, 02:26 PM »
That's not how it works.
Here in Alaska we have a daily limit.
You cannot exceed the daily limit in any one 24-hour period.
Then we have a possession limit which is two times the daily limit.
That is to allow people to go camping and fishing, for a weekend for instance, then catch and keep fish both days.
Beyond that there is no limit to how many fish you may have at home.
But in order for you to have more than a possession of limit of fish on you you must either have all the information,( name address license number) of the other person who caught it or the fish must be preserved in a manner that makes them fit for consumption after 14 days.
Vacuum sealed and Frozen, smoked, pressure canned, etc.
Virtually everyone in Alaska puts up salmon in the summer when they are running and halibut from the ocean when they are available in the summer.
If they didn't allow that we'd be bearing down on the capital with pitchforks and torches!
But at no time are you allowed to exceed the daily limit or The possession limit.
So no, you cannot run home throw them in your freezer and come back and catch a second limit.
Not legally anyway!

Go back and read the post from the guy from ID. That's exactly how he explained it. Thus the reason why I asked "why even have a daily limit at all..." Listen, I'm not from ID so I don't know if he explained it wrong or if that's really the way it works, I was just calling it out since it sounded ridiculous.

 



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