IceShanty.com's Ice Fishing Community

Ice Fishing Tips -Check your local regulations! => Equipment => Ice Augers => Topic started by: George_B on Dec 06, 2018, 04:11 AM

Title: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: George_B on Dec 06, 2018, 04:11 AM
Would you think the Mud Mixer would be a good choice if I wanted the confidence of stability like I would get with a Clam Plate in a slightly smaller profile for transporting and weight? I read that it does not have the RPM's of the drill, but I have no faith in that side handle it has for control if again I wanted the smaller stance without the Clam setup.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: Deal Ninja on Dec 06, 2018, 04:33 AM
The Mud Mixer with a 9ah battery weighs 8.5 lbs.  The Milwaukee 2704 with 9ah battery and Clam Plate weighs 10.75 lbs.  Depending on the auger you have, the Mud Mixer will cut plenty fast at top speed (550 rpm).  lol  I would still give the drill/Clam Plate combo better marks for stability and safety, but if your auger catches the ice with either, it’s still going to hurt - one of the main reasons I chose the Nils 8” Power Point to run on my Mud Mixer.  They have an excellent reputation for not catching or grabbing the ice at the bottom of the hole.

DN
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: esox_xtm on Dec 06, 2018, 06:59 AM
Going on a second season with the MM/K-Drill combo, I haven't found anything to not like yet. The handle adjustability is a plus and so far seems extremely sturdy. RPMs are plenty for driving the K and though it is maxed does not heat up drilling a dozen holes at a time. Additionally, the K does not catch at the bottom of the hole so from a stability standpoint the combo is also pretty safe. That centering point absolutely prevents drill walking and always gets your hole right where you wanted it.

Based on DN's comments I am curious what the criteria might be for "stable" and "safe". Or perhaps it's more auger choice than the driver.

Direct drive simplifies the equation. I know, one trick pony, but I've already got a coupla perfectly good drills/drivers for home use and a dedicated tool for ice seemed right. I have mixed a couple buckets of cement though. Did a nice job and made quick work of it.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: Gunflint on Dec 06, 2018, 07:04 AM
Going on a second season with the MM/K-Drill combo, I haven't found anything to not like yet. The handle adjustability is a plus and so far seems extremely sturdy. RPMs are plenty for driving the K and though it is maxed does not heat up drilling a dozen holes at a time. Additionally, the K does not catch at the bottom of the hole so from a stability standpoint the combo is also pretty safe. That centering point absolutely prevents drill walking and always gets your hole right where you wanted it.

Based on DN's comments I am curious what the criteria might be for "stable" and "safe". Or perhaps it's more auger choice than the driver.

Direct drive simplifies the equation. I know, one trick pony, but I've already got a coupla perfectly good drills/drivers for home use and a dedicated tool for ice seemed right. I have mixed a couple buckets of cement though. Did a nice job and made quick work of it.

I think, however, that it really is not "direct drive" in that there is likely a gearbox that reduces the RPMs to make more torque at slower speeds, something that Clam did a rotten job at. IMO the lower RPMs are an advantage that Clam was striving for but failed.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: George_B on Dec 06, 2018, 08:01 AM
Excellent post to the Mud Mixer idea. I’ ll be using a 8” Nils Trekker model that has sections so I believe I will be able to tailor the length to the thickness of the ice, and reduce more drag weight for the pull. Also the 1 piece 8” Nils I have along with the Treakker do not have the power point. Back when I originally purchased the 1 piece manual model years ago it was and still is a great tool, so I didn’t give the power point a thought. This idea could be my new conversation piece on the ice.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: esox_xtm on Dec 06, 2018, 08:09 AM
Of course you're correct GF. I should have said integral gearbox. Direct only in the sense there is no 3rd party transition between power and auger. Really one less thing to go wrong.

I also like that the gearbox is built much stronger than any drill/driver. Another plus is no clutch which we have zero use for on the ice.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: Deal Ninja on Dec 06, 2018, 08:31 AM
exox_xtm - "Based on DN's comments I am curious what the criteria might be for "stable" and "safe". Or perhaps it's more auger choice than the driver."

What I mean by stable and safe in that context is that I would much prefer to grasp an auger the way you do the Clam Plate, as if you were using a rototiller...  It's more comfortable for me than the way you have to hold the Mud Mixer handles like a jackhammer.  I think it's safer too.  I'm sure all of the power augers were designed with ergonomics in mind when they decided to go with loop handles instead of pogo stick type handles.  Does that make more sense?

DN   
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: esox_xtm on Dec 06, 2018, 08:51 AM
Got it DN.  I'll surmise that part of the "loop handle" design was to support and control a 2 - 3hp gas powerhead. Honestly,  despite the diminutive form of the MM handles it's been easy to handle and control, at least for me. And you can adjust the angle of the handle(s) to accommodate what is comfortable to you. Might not be full rototiller style but you do have the ability to get the handles more in front of you if you wish. Maybe I'm comfortable with it because I ran a jackhammer for a few years waaaay back.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: Deal Ninja on Dec 06, 2018, 09:28 AM
Lets just say I have a healthy respect for the power these tools have after my 2704 nearly ripped my thumb off and wrenched my wrist last February.  It was very sore for months.  I was unscrewing the nuts from the 5/16" X 3" bolts that held the railing in place on the deck of my pontoon at the beginning of the refurb.  The bolts and nuts were all stainless and coming off with a breeze; all but one regular steel one that must have got mixed in with the stainless when the boat was assembled.  The nut had rusted on the bolt and I had also forgotten to switch the drill from drill mode to screw mode.  As soon as I hit the trigger on the drill, it was ripped out of my hand with force that I couldn't have before imagined and that had grotesquely contorted my thumb and wrist in the process.  lol  I am very careful when I use the drill and Mud Mixer now. hahaha
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: esox_xtm on Dec 06, 2018, 09:33 AM
Ouch! Worst part is none of us are gettin' any younger. Now it takes 3 months for me to heal from something that used to take maybe a week.

Your experience and caution is duly noted and will reside in the back of my brain every time I pull the trigger. Thanks DN!
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: Gunflint on Dec 06, 2018, 09:51 AM
I am still waffling on getting a Milwaukee Hole Hawg or Super Hawg.  They are the true Big Mamas when it comes to drilling.

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Power-Tools/Drilling/Right-Angle-Drills (https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Power-Tools/Drilling/Right-Angle-Drills)

The Hole Hawg is about $250 but I have seen it for much less.  I am sure it is already overkill. But, speaking of overkill, the Super Hawg is even more powerful - designed to cut 6 inch holes in wood all day long on batteries.  Same internal gearbox for more torque and lower RPMs.

Probably won't pull the trigger this year because I probably don't need it anyways - just the bragging rights.

There is one practical side, it is long and slim once you remove the handle so it is easy to pack and transport.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: prospector on Dec 18, 2018, 08:12 PM
I am still waffling on getting a Milwaukee Hole Hawg or Super Hawg.  They are the true Big Mamas when it comes to drilling.

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Power-Tools/Drilling/Right-Angle-Drills (https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Power-Tools/Drilling/Right-Angle-Drills)

The Hole Hawg is about $250 but I have seen it for much less.  I am sure it is already overkill. But, speaking of overkill, the Super Hawg is even more powerful - designed to cut 6 inch holes in wood all day long on batteries.  Same internal gearbox for more torque and lower RPMs.

Probably won't pull the trigger this year because I probably don't need it anyways - just the bragging rights.

There is one practical side, it is long and slim once you remove the handle so it is easy to pack and transport.
Get the Super Hawg. The regular one spins too fast and will shut off on larger bits. I own both machines.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: prospector on Dec 18, 2018, 08:16 PM
Warning, my MM was shutting down the other day after my sixth hole in 6” of hard clear ice the other day. I am not sure what to think about that? 8” orange Nills.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: Deal Ninja on Jan 05, 2019, 11:54 AM
Sound like the overload protection circuit in the battery is activating.  Maybe faulty circuit or not calibrated properly and is kicking on before there is really a need to?  Try a different battery and see if you have similar troubles with a different battery.  Was the battery getting abnormally warm?

DN
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: WIcrappieguy on Jan 09, 2019, 06:49 AM
Warning, my MM was shutting down the other day after my sixth hole in 6” of hard clear ice the other day. I am not sure what to think about that? 8” orange Nills.

Make sure the rpm dial is set to max.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: prospector on Jan 09, 2019, 08:58 AM
Make sure the rpm dial is set to max.
I did. I am going to try out a different battery next time. If the problem persists, the drill will be exchanged. Thanks for chiming in on my dilemma.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: Fordtough150 on Jan 13, 2019, 06:09 PM
I too have had issues with my mud mixer shutting down. Running a 12.0 or 9.0 battery I’m having the same problem.  Saturday I drilled 17 holes in a row with my 6” k drill through 11.5” of ice. By the time I got to the 10th hole it cut out the first time.  By the time I got to the last hole it cut out 4 different times.  Very frustrating.  The motor did feel a little warm, but I didn’t expect this at all. 
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: prospector on Jan 13, 2019, 06:12 PM
I too have had issues with my mud mixer shutting down. Running a 12.0 or 9.0 battery I’m having the same problem.  Saturday I drilled 17 holes in a row with my 6” k drill through 11.5” of ice. By the time I got to the 10th hole it cut out the first time.  By the time I got to the last hole it cut out 4 different times.  Very frustrating.  The motor did feel a little warm, but I didn’t expect this at all.
Sorry to hear that, but it is nice to have company. I have decided to dedicate it to my 4.5” auger for now. That is my run and gun bit and the two handles on the mixer are hard to beat.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: Fordtough150 on Jan 13, 2019, 06:19 PM
Sorry to hear that, but it is nice to have company. I have decided to dedicate it to my 4.5” auger for now. That is my run and gun bit and the two handles on the mixer are hard to beat.

Definitely sucks.  Thinking about ordering a normal fuel drill and selling the mud mixer.  Cutting out 4 times in one hole sure makes it easy to pull out the gasser for the rest of the season. 
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: kayl on Jan 13, 2019, 07:58 PM
I'm surprised to hear about the mud mixer cutting out. I used esox_xtm's and it flew with an 8" K-Drill. Granted, we only had 4-5" at the time.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: prospector on Jan 13, 2019, 08:01 PM
I will add that the ice I was cutting was rock hard.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: jethro on Jan 14, 2019, 09:46 AM
I am a new owner of the mud mixer and it's cutting out with a fresh 9ah battery if I drill lots of holes at once. After about 6 or 8 holes it will start cutting out. Never happened with my Fuel drill. I would send it for repair but with the other reports here, it's pretty clear that it's just not designed for high torque, extended drilling. Mud Mixer fails the test.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: esox_xtm on Jan 14, 2019, 10:00 AM
This is curious. Last year I drilled 25 holes, one after another through 22" with a fresh 5Ah battery just to see what I'd get out of it. Never cut out once until the battery was empty. I'd suspect the BMS in the battery before the mixer but I'm no expert, just a consumer.

You did get a real MKE Fuel battery and not a knockoff? Gotta ask...
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: Fordtough150 on Jan 14, 2019, 12:06 PM
When it "cuts" out have you checked the battery to see how much charge is remaining?
Make sure the speed control dial is "full" speed.
If you tried 2 different batteries on the tool when it was cutting out (you mentioned running a 12 and 9) I would surmise it's the tool.
Normally when a cordless tool cuts out there's a reason. Overuse, battery issue or tool issue.
They have a 5 year warranty and haven't even been out for 5 years, sooooo get it in for repair.
I was out Saturday and drilled over 60 8" holes using a 9 amp/hr battery in 12 inches of ice with no problems and 2 bars left on battery.
If anything is wrong internally with that tool all the electrical/electronics are replaced as a unit.
Good luck.

Both batteries are actually Milwaukee brand batteries and were fully charged when used. The dial has been set on max rpm and it cuts out worse if it had less rpm.  I’m going to take it into a Milwaukee authorized repair shop tomorrow.  I will post back results
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: jethro on Jan 14, 2019, 01:20 PM
Seriously the tool is designed for mixing drywall, stucco and concrete with very large mixers bits, not many applications require more torque as well as long run times!

But those uses don't produce that little jolt/grab when the augers break through the bottom. Sometimes it binds pretty hard, sometimes it's just a little bit, but I know every single K-Drill owner out there knows exactly what I am talking about. It's a good deal of force when it's just breaking through the bottom of the ice (chipper blade). The mud mixer is likely designed to have long run times with what is a good amount of torque, but that extreme torque when the auger breaks through is what I'm telling myself the problem must be (could very well have it all wrong). I imagine it's got some fancy circuitry to guard against excess heat in the motor which is probably a fine line, because it's made to mix mud which would be demanding work on any motor, although not any sharp torque forces being applied.

I did try another battery right away and got the same results. When I let the drill cool down a bit, it worked fine again and I did not try to drill a bunch of holes one after another. I don't think it's the battery, I use the same battery with my Milwaukee table saw and that is a pretty intense application, I just ripped 20 sheets of 3/4" plywood with it this weekend.

I would have chalked it up to a bad battery or mixer but with all these other people having the same issue... well, it's pretty clear we are talking a fundamental mismatch here for drilling ice. For drilling mud? Probably perfect, as most all my Milwaukee gear has been. But something seems to not like how the drill is handling that extreme torque at the end of the hole is my guess.

I decided to remove my 8" bit and instead will use my 6" k-drill and see if the same problem presents itself. 
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: jethro on Jan 14, 2019, 01:22 PM
Was the "speed dial" at it's highest?

Mine has not been at the highest speed, I kept it at like 300 but you may be right, I might be better off running it at the max?

And yes, these were fairly new batteries. Certainly not brand new, but I don't use the 9ah battery that much on anything else.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: esox_xtm on Jan 14, 2019, 02:27 PM
I always ran mine @ max RPM with 8" KD. Funny I never experienced the grabbing at the bottom of the hole. I have frequently noticed a pair of "half hole sized chips" that I assume are the breakthrough chips.

Not trying to be contrary doctorgee, it's just curious. I wonder if there some sort of flaw with your K that makes it grab like that.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: tswoboda on Jan 14, 2019, 02:41 PM
My son uses mine as well as many passerby's on on the ice that wanted to try it out.  Truth be told there's only a couple people on this forum having problems. ;)  Try letting the big girl work at her own speed.
Yeah, keep telling yourself that.
Below is a direct quote from the K-Drill website:

K-Drill Staff
October 24, 2018
"Milwaukee Mud Mixer was tried by several members of our field test staff with similar results by all. Final Results: The heavier Milwaukee Mud Mixer did not have a high enough current load or temp setting to work with the 8 inch K-Drill and would continuously shut down after 2-3 holes. The standard 2703-20 drill far out-performed the Mud Mixer in all of our testing. Until Milwaukee makes some changes to the control circuit in the the Mud Mixer I would be certain it could be returned for a standard 2703-20 or 2803-20 hand drill."

Why do people get their panties in a bunch when someone else has a problem with a product that they like?
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: esox_xtm on Jan 14, 2019, 03:47 PM
Not really in a bunch. It's just that what a few folks are saying does not fit with the experiences the rest have had so it's not easy to understand. It's never happy when you make an investment and it fails to live up to expectations.

Clearly there is some sort of issue but just as clearly it is not every single mixer that has it so to call the whole thing bad is not correct. Perhaps at some point there was a design change that either created the issue or got rid of it depending on whether the mixers were newer or older. My mixer came last year as a plain tool that was sold as "separated from a kit" for very reasonable. That bothered me a bit but I've gotten over it due to no issues.

Reading through some of the previous posts I see that some (maybe all) of the problem children are running hot. I haven't noticed unusual heat from mine even when I crank off 10 - 12 holes in a row. Something is different...wish there was an easy answer.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: Fordtough150 on Jan 14, 2019, 03:50 PM
Yeah, keep telling yourself that.
Below is a direct quote from the K-Drill website:

K-Drill Staff
October 24, 2018
"Milwaukee Mud Mixer was tried by several members of our field test staff with similar results by all. Final Results: The heavier Milwaukee Mud Mixer did not have a high enough current load or temp setting to work with the 8 inch K-Drill and would continuously shut down after 2-3 holes. The standard 2703-20 drill far out-performed the Mud Mixer in all of our testing. Until Milwaukee makes some changes to the control circuit in the the Mud Mixer I would be certain it could be returned for a standard 2703-20 or 2803-20 hand drill."

Why do people get their panties in a bunch when someone else has a problem with a product that they like?

This is very interesting!  Nice find.   I am really wishing I would have just ordered a normal m18 fuel drill with a clam plate now...

Do you guys think I should tell the Milwaukee repair shop that I am trying to drill through ice with mine?  or say I'm mixing crete...
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: MT204 on Jan 14, 2019, 04:01 PM
Yeah, keep telling yourself that.
Below is a direct quote from the K-Drill website:

K-Drill Staff
October 24, 2018
"Milwaukee Mud Mixer was tried by several members of our field test staff with similar results by all. Final Results: The heavier Milwaukee Mud Mixer did not have a high enough current load or temp setting to work with the 8 inch K-Drill and would continuously shut down after 2-3 holes. The standard 2703-20 drill far out-performed the Mud Mixer in all of our testing. Until Milwaukee makes some changes to the control circuit in the the Mud Mixer I would be certain it could be returned for a standard 2703-20 or 2803-20 hand drill."

Why do people get their panties in a bunch when someone else has a problem with a product that they like?

Don't know about the "panties"? :-\
Just trying to help out the guys that appear to be having a problem doesn't matter wither I own it or not. Gotta wonder though what the K-drill guys were doing to get it to shut down ever 2-3 holes?
To each their own.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: esox_xtm on Jan 14, 2019, 04:57 PM
Unless the KD guys were leaning on it to get it to cut faster but they should know better. Mine just about pulls me right into the bottom of the hole if I'd let it.

There is something goin' on but I'm not in a position to figure out what it is.

@whitefishmt: Does your guy know if MKE made any design changes or mfg changes, even if just location in the last, say, 24 months? Maybe even a bad batch of temp circuits for the mixers got out. It happens.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: MT204 on Jan 14, 2019, 06:30 PM
So gonna move on from this dog fight cause no one is gonna make any head way.
I was more than likely one of the first to come up with the mud mixer and the QuikLok idea back in Sept. 2017.
The reason was that I'd had a lot of people having problems with ALL brands of cordless used for ALL brands of ice augers.
Yep ALL brands you name it I saw it, broken gears, spindles, chucks,handles burnt up you name it.
There lies the  problem with forums is no one see's who's typing at the other end, and sometimes the person doesn't want that know for lots of reasons.
Anyway along comes the MudMixer and I believed it had everything to make it work, right RPM, power, ergonomics in fact I even sent off e-mails to K-drill suggesting they make the drill adapter more friendly for the QuikLok.
Now over 2 years later there appears to be some who are having problems, not saying they aren't but I'm not there to double check whats going on.
Does Milwaukee have a problem with the Mixer? I can't tell you that, not even sure Milwaukee would tell you that because they are prob gonna tell ya it's not made for that application!
There was a nice video here last week with a not very favorable revue of the MudMIxer but alas a few days later there was a way "better" revue. 
Now ya gotta remember two years ago K-Drill only told you to use the Milwaukee cordless drills, "nothing" else only one brand. But wait there is yellow on there page now, how about that?
Someone piped in and stated that K-Drill doesn't recommend the MudMixer, yep they are correct but guess what they don't recommend using the Ridigd Octane drill either! Haven't seen that come up over on the Octane thread.
Anyway back to the MudMixer, I had asked one of the fellows having a problem if the speed dial was at max? Could that be a problem? Yes it might be, the KDrill at least is recommended to run at 500-750 RPM. The MudMixer is 550 RPM but if your only running it at say 300 RPM you maybe overheating the motor......wow?
So any way I went back to my original post and made a notation in red letters that KDrill does not recommend the MudMixer.
So no my "panties" are not in a twist.
Most of us are here to try and help each other, right just trying to make the sport better?
And remember your never sure who's typing on the other end, maybe just maybe it's someone who know way more than you or I do!

Cheers. ;)
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: Damn Yankee on Jan 14, 2019, 07:35 PM
You keep saying some auger manufacturers need to change their input shaft size. The Quik-Lok chuck (#42-66-0055) which comes on the
7/16" Hex Super-Hawg (Milwaukee service parts list bulletin no. 54-10-2730 fig.91 p/n 42-66-0055) accepts all 7/16 Hex shafts and also accepts all 3-flat shafts made to the 3-flat specifications. Milwaukee has a whole family of 3-flat drills and tools that slide right in, K-Drill and Eskimo Pistol input shafts (no adapters needed) (by accident or on purpose) will go right in to the 42-66-0055 Quik-Lok chuck.
Be it by accident or on purpose (remove the 3 jaw chuck) and the 42-66-0055 Quik-Lok goes right on the Mud Mixer.
 
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: MT204 on Jan 14, 2019, 09:03 PM
You keep saying some auger manufacturers need to change their input shaft size. The Quik-Lok chuck (#42-66-0055) which comes on the
7/16" Hex Super-Hawg (Milwaukee service parts list bulletin no. 54-10-2730 fig.91 p/n 42-66-0055) accepts all 7/16 Hex shafts and also accepts all 3-flat shafts made to the 3-flat specifications. Milwaukee has a whole family of 3-flat drills and tools that slide right in, K-Drill and Eskimo Pistol input shafts (no adapters needed) (by accident or on purpose) will go right in to the 42-66-0055 Quik-Lok chuck.
Be it by accident or on purpose (remove the 3 jaw chuck) and the 42-66-0055 Quik-Lok goes right on the Mud Mixer.
 
Been a long day so first.
Show me where I said the Eskimo Pistol will NOT fit?
I have said the old and at least the K-drills that are in stock at the only 2 stores in the area I live (as of 2 weeks ago) will not fit in the 42-66-0055. I took 4 of the 42-66-0055 chucks and tried? Don't know what to tell ya? Maybe they are all selling "bogus", cloned, fake, alien mfg K-drills. :o :o :o
And not to be rude but get your tools straight!
There is a Milwaukee "1/2" Super-Hawg" most commonly known in the tool industry for the last 15 years or so as a "Super-Hawg". There are also two CORDLESS "M18 Super-Hawg"!
Two different tools that use DIFFERENT chucks regular or QuikLok. PERIOD end of story! Do not confuse people! The "1/2" Super-Hawg" is a threaded spindle, neither of the M18 cordless Super-Hawgs are threaded!
It appears to be a moot point anyway because Sooooooo many people are having problems with their MudMIxers that I will not be recommending any power heads in the near future Red, Yellow, Blue or Orange.

 
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: jethro on Jan 15, 2019, 08:36 AM

Anyway back to the MudMixer, I had asked one of the fellows having a problem if the speed dial was at max? Could that be a problem? Yes it might be, the KDrill at least is recommended to run at 500-750 RPM. The MudMixer is 550 RPM but if your only running it at say 300 RPM you maybe overheating the motor......wow?

Very possible, I guess I didn't read my K drill manual enough! I was cutting mostly at 300rpms and now will make sure I always cut at the max. Stay tuned, I am not returning my mud mixer just yet. FOR THE RECORD, the 6" drill seems to have zero problem on the mud mixer, I put it to the test last evening.

And for the record, I have two K Drills, both 6" and 8" and neither one will fit directly into the 42-66-0055 Quik-Loc chuck without modification. They also do not fit in the 0050 Quik-Loc chuck which I bought first by mistake.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: Damn Yankee on Jan 15, 2019, 11:16 AM
They must send us (back-east) different 42-66-0055 QuikLok chucks. Picture shows the Eskimo Pistol drive going into the 42-66-0055.
Milwaukee also makes a whole family of tools (with the 3-Flat drive end) that go right into the 42-66-0055. A picture of one of the 3-Flat bits
in the 42-66-0055.
Go to Home Depot web-site and search Milwaukee 48-20-8854 and you'll see one of many tools with 3-Flat secure grip.
There are many tools with the 3-Flat secure grip that are intended for the 42-66-0055 Quik Lok chuck.

(https://i.postimg.cc/dDsHvfVd/IMG-2856.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dDsHvfVd)


(https://i.postimg.cc/8f7LcM38/IMG-2861.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8f7LcM38)
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: tswoboda on Jan 15, 2019, 01:03 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/SjD7v212/tenor.gif) (https://postimg.cc/SjD7v212)
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: MT204 on Jan 15, 2019, 01:08 PM
They must send us (back-east) different 42-66-0055 QuikLok chucks. Picture shows the Eskimo Pistol drive going into the 42-66-0055.
Milwaukee also makes a whole family of tools (with the 3-Flat drive end) that go right into the 42-66-0055. A picture of one of the 3-Flat bits
in the 42-66-0055.
Go to Home Depot web-site and search Milwaukee 48-20-8854 and you'll see one of many tools with 3-Flat secure grip.
There are many tools with the 3-Flat secure grip that are intended for the 42-66-0055 Quik Lok chuck.

WOW you just don't get it?
I have never say the 42-66-0055 wouldn't except the Eskimo Pistol? NOPE NEVER
No one in our area even has a Pistol to try? I have never even seen one.
I'm so glad yours fit. ::)
Now then I guess you really do-do things different "back East" because I'm not sure why you would want to put a hammer drill bit (48-20-8854 which you used as an example) in one of the Quik-Loks, but then again"your back east"?
You may want to go to the Milwaukee site (instead of Home Depot) for info on the 48-20-8854. Nowhere on there does it say it's designed for or fits the Quik-Lok!
But it does state"The 3-Flat Secure-Grip shank fits in all 1/2” three-jaw hammer-drill chucks and maintains unyielding bit hold with heavy torsional loads."?
I'm SO glad Milwaukee has what you say they do, but then again I've never debated that have I?
For all I know you work at/or for Milwaukee, K-drill and Eskimo and that's why your getting the "special" things and we out West are getting the "bogus", fake etc, etc stuff that you keep referring to. :-\
And remember the right tool for the right job! ;)
Cheers.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: esox_xtm on Jan 15, 2019, 05:32 PM
OK guys... I'm gonna open a window so everyone can get a breath of fresh air.

(https://i.postimg.cc/wxsnHmDh/Get-Some-Air2.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: jethro on Jan 23, 2019, 08:21 AM
As a follow up, I have fished twice with my mud mixer and since only using the 6" auger and cutting at max speed, it has not cut out once on me. I am going to try the 8" k-drill again and see it I can have success with that combo, making sure I stay at the max speed for the mixer.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: fishercat on Feb 07, 2019, 01:38 PM
Went out Sunday. Punched over two dozen holes thru 8 inches of ice. Mud mixer worked great no cut outs at all. I just let the weight of the drill do the work. No or little added pressure.
I'm running a 8 inch Eskimo bit off a power auger with a 5 ah battery. I was at the max. speed. Battery still had 2 bars at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: DTro on Feb 07, 2019, 01:59 PM
The one question I would have with these “speciality” drills is that if you plan on using them strictly for an auger, why not just get a dedicated unit like the Strikemaster.  The main reason I chose a drill is that I can work double duty during the off season. 
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: Big_Al on Feb 07, 2019, 02:00 PM
Been out with my Mud Mixer twice with 8" Nils and did not cut out once. Worked great!
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: fishercat on Feb 07, 2019, 02:45 PM
 
The one question I would have with these “speciality” drills is that if you plan on using them strictly for an auger, why not just get a dedicated unit like the Strikemaster.  The main reason I chose a drill is that I can work double duty during the off season.


The drill (mud mixer) is only part of it I already had 3 Milwaukee battery’s in hand for other tools. Beyond that the mud mixer works just fine has a heavy duty drill. 
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: DTro on Feb 07, 2019, 02:59 PM


The drill (mud mixer) is only part of it I already had 3 Milwaukee battery’s in hand for other tools. Beyond that the mud mixer works just fine has a heavy duty drill.

yeah that makes sense.  Understood 
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: FURBALL on Feb 07, 2019, 11:37 PM
I had my mud mixer cut out on me today with my 8" K-Drill. I am using a 12 AMP/HR battery with it that was fully charged and has ran my Milwaukee chainsaw hundreds of times. Conditions were probably too extreme with 28" of ice but i kept bringing the cuttings up like you're supposed to. The weather is COLD COLD. -25C plus the wind so I doubt it was overheating.

I love the idea of it. I bought the mud mixer as a dual duty ice auger in the winter and gate hole driller in the summer(custom fencer). I'm a little reluctant to head out to the middle of nowhere to do a fence now with this unit. I'll try it close to home on my own farm a lot of times before I can trust it for work.

I guess I'll head in to Bass Pro tomorrow and see if the have any Strikemaster Honda Lite's left over that are on sale.

Joe
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: mvanhank222 on Feb 08, 2019, 07:59 AM
At least in my own personal experience the mud mixer works better on a lower settings say 350-400 with shaver blades (mora) than at max. Nothing scientific to back this up just my $0.02
Title: Re: Milwaukee Fuel Mud Mixer
Post by: esox_xtm on Feb 10, 2019, 02:12 PM
I had my mud mixer cut out on me today with my 8" K-Drill. I am using a 12 AMP/HR battery with it that was fully charged and has ran my Milwaukee chainsaw hundreds of times. Conditions were probably too extreme with 28" of ice but i kept bringing the cuttings up like you're supposed to. The weather is COLD COLD. -25C plus the wind so I doubt it was overheating.

I love the idea of it. I bought the mud mixer as a dual duty ice auger in the winter and gate hole driller in the summer(custom fencer). I'm a little reluctant to head out to the middle of nowhere to do a fence now with this unit. I'll try it close to home on my own farm a lot of times before I can trust it for work.

I guess I'll head in to Bass Pro tomorrow and see if the have any Strikemaster Honda Lite's left over that are on sale.

Joe

Hey Joe, you were probably leaning on it a bit. It doesn't take much and it's easy to do. The MM/KD 8" cuts so well, it seems like you could stand on the thing while it's working but then... it cuts out. Starts right back up but then it cuts out again. I had that issue and made a conscious effort to "lighten up" and the problem went away. Heck, I think if you forced a gas job enough you could stall that out too.

I was out (again) yesterday in -26F and had no issues. Left the setup with the battery on my tailgate and drilled more holes a couple hours later. No problem. I'm thinking that there's some load sensing circuitry inside the mixer that shuts it off if it draws too much current. Almost certainly to keep it from bursting into flames  ;)  ::). But that's OK. It cuts very well if you just let the tool do it's job without trying to hurry it. In dry holes I've even drilled 24" without clearing chips. Slush like we had yesterday I was clearing as advised.

In all fairness, as the ambient temp warmed a bit you could tell the combo was much happier. But then, again, so am I.

I could be wrong but I don't believe the mud mixer has enough guts for an earth drill. Maybe in sand or maybe for like a 2" auger in regular dirt but nothing very big.