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Indiana => Ice Fishing Indiana => Topic started by: Fish_Tko on Nov 06, 2014, 07:06 AM
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Does anyone know when this is going up for approval?
http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/2362.htm
312 IAC 9-7-10: Establishes a statewide daily bag limit of 25 (in aggregate) for all species of sunfish (Lepomis spp. – which includes bluegill, redear, warmouth, pumpkinseed, green sunfish, and others). In recent years, technology has greatly increased fish-catching efficiency. Having a sunfish bag limit in place at times when fish are highly vulnerable would help maintain long-term fishing quality.
Another noteworthy pc. from the regulations proposal
312 IAC 9-7-12: Makes the following changes governing Walleye/Sauger/Saugeye:
•Establishes a 16-inch minimum size limit for walleye north of State Road 26 on all public waters (lakes, impoundments, rivers, and Lake Michigan) with the exception of these lakes: Lake George (Steuben County), Bass Lake (Starke County), Simonton Lake (Elkhart County), Wolf Lake (Lake County), and Wall Lake (Steuben County). Indiana’s walleye fishing depends on hatchery stockings. Walleye abundance in northern Indiana has increased over the years with the help of larger (and more expensive) hatchery fingerlings. Anglers stand to get more out of these stockings if the fish are allowed to grow larger before they are taken home. The region of Indiana north of State Road 26 contains all the sites where the larger fingerling walleye are currently being stocked. SR 26 runs in a relatively straight line from Illinois to Ohio, which offers a reasonable dividing line. Exceptions to a 16-inch minimum size limit would include lakes with documented slow growth of walleye or other special regulatory needs. The rest of Indiana’s public waters (except the Ohio River) would remain regulated by a 14-inch walleye size limit.
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Last winter me and a buddy went out on wawasee at oakwood resort. We had a good day. We were loading up the atv getting ready to leave when the dnr pulled in. He asked us how we did and checked out our bucket of fish. We had 3 crappie and around 60 gills. He mentioned that the 25 panfish limit will very likely go in effect in 2015. Would not bother me if they did that.
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The beards won't like this limit change. But, I think the majority will understand and abide by the new law.
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I like the proposal for the size increase on the walleye.
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ya they should move the size limit up on muskies too or do like michigan with a tag system for them to keep em i bieleve its one a year up there and its gotta be 54 in Minnesota
i do wonder though how that 25 limit will work with guys that just ice em and leave em they should crack down on that too no big deal keepin 25 but if you leave 30 layin cause they were small whats the point. also if someone leaves it layin on the ice and you say go out and hit the same hole how you gonna prove they arent yours or are you going to have to pick up after someone and drop em back in all frozin
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I'll support the limit changes. Fish on!!
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I usually quit about 15 anyway
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ya they should move the size limit up on muskies too or do like michigan with a tag system for them to keep em i bieleve its one a year up there and its gotta be 54 in Minnesota
i do wonder though how that 25 limit will work with guys that just ice em and leave em they should crack down on that too no big deal keepin 25 but if you leave 30 layin cause they were small whats the point. also if someone leaves it layin on the ice and you say go out and hit the same hole how you gonna prove they arent yours or are you going to have to pick up after someone and drop em back in all frozin
In Michigan if you put little ones on the ice, they are part of your limit, they watch and WILL catch you doing it as I have known guys that got caught and its a pretty hefty fine!
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In Michigan if you put little ones on the ice, they are part of your limit, they watch and WILL catch you doing it as I have known guys that got caught and its a pretty hefty fine!
This will be the case here in IN too, if/when the law goes into effect. If you don't throw it back down the hole it counts toward your limit. If you see people throwing fish on the ice they are not planning on taking with them, call the poaching hotline. If the DNR has someone nearby they will come out. Sometimes they don't get there in time due to the limited numbers we have and they have a lot of territory to cover. However if they are too late to catch the person, at least they know someone is doing it and catch watch for the spot in the future.
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Hmmmm I wander if I use a gill on a tip up... I better up size those to 8s and 9s that way if no pike takers I can fillet it. What happens if the pike eats it! Does that mean the pike stole my fish and I can add another to the pile or would it still add to my count if it's in his belly when I land it? I'm so confused! Lol I can't count to 10 barely. Is there an app for that?
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Does the limit include crappie or is it 25 each?
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Does the limit include crappie or is it 25 each?
Probably depends if crappie is a sunfish judging based on the excerpt in this thread
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In Michigan ,crappie is included!!
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No more pictures of piles of fish being caught day after day? :wacko: It ain't just the bearded assassins, they don't post pictures!!
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No more pictures of piles of fish being caught day after day? :wacko: It ain't just the bearded assassins, they don't post pictures!!
It will just be earlier in the day now that you can crack that first Keystone....
I am sure they will be watching for the guys who catch 25 in the morning and either going back to the same place in the afternoon or try hitting a different lake for 25 more...better be switching to perch or eyes.
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Does the limit include crappie or is it 25 each?
I don't crappie listed in anywhere under the Lepomis species title on Wikipedia. It would probably be more spelled out in the regulations book but at this point imo no it would not include crappie.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepomis
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I had assumed it would not include crappie. Hopefully they spell it out one way or the other. Could be very confusing.
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The way they spelled it out on the proposal said it was for sunfish, not panfish. They listed bluegill, redear, warmouth, green sunfish, and others. I would assume that if they were going to include crappie they would have worded it as panfish. They'll probably keep it separate just like it has been.
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You'd think that crappie would be noteworthy enough to be on the list they have if it was part of it. If not whoever wrote it is no local outdoorsman to not think to tell people about crappie in indiana or maybe just glaring oversights happen I guess who knows. Personally I'm gunna use it as an excuse why I didn't catch many fish sometimes
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The way they spelled it out on the proposal said it was for sunfish, not panfish. They listed bluegill, redear, warmouth, green sunfish, and others. I would assume that if they were going to include crappie they would have worded it as panfish. They'll probably keep it separate just like it has been.
Even thought it isn't spelled out in the final details I speculate that it will be the following
25--sunfish(bluegill, redear, warmouth, green sunfish, and others(pumpkinseed, etc)
25-crappies(separate from the sunfish)
Perch--still no limit.
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In Michigan ,crappie is included!!
Yup...exactly why I asked the question. :)
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No more pictures of piles of fish being caught day after day? :wacko: It ain't just the bearded assassins, they don't post pictures!!
Being the law reads that crappies are not included in the "panfish" limit. There will still be pictures of piles being caught. Remember that most pile pictures posted are of group efforts not a single fisherman. So 25 gill/25 craps =50 fish a person. That is still a pile of fish!
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Even thought it isn't spelled out in the final details I speculate that it will be the following
25--sunfish(bluegill, redear, warmouth, green sunfish, and others(pumpkinseed, etc)
25-crappies(separate from the sunfish)
Perch--still no limit.
If the law is written as shown at the top of the thread then I agree with this that they are not included in the 25 limit as crappie are from a completely different Genus than sunfish. However with they way some of the rules in the past have been written in the guide, I would make sure they did not slip something in about the sunfish and crappie limits applying in aggregate.
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I will really be surprised if crappie isn't included in the limit.
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I will really be surprised if crappie isn't included in the limit.
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Crappie limits are fine the way they are I haven't noticed any decrease on population or size but that's only imo and on the areas I fish. I have no idea about what the rest of you are finding maybe it's a different story... High Tide would probably be able to be a great input on this topic since he's all over the place crappie fishing. Doug are you out there? I bet he's out pounding crappie now!
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Don't care one way or the other, was just saying I bet they will include them with panfish.
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I will really be surprised if crappie isn't included in the limit.
I'm thinking the same thing Jack.
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Scientifically speaking, both bluegills and crappies belong to the family Centrarchidae, but crappies are of the genus Pomoxis, while bluegills, (and a great many other common "panfish" are classified as Lepomids.
So, if the wording actually spells out Lepomis as the target species, then crappies should not be included.
But, stranger things have come to pass.
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Crappie limits are fine the way they are I haven't noticed any decrease on population or size but that's only imo and on the areas I fish. I have no idea about what the rest of you are finding maybe it's a different story... High Tide would probably be able to be a great input on this topic since he's all over the place crappie fishing. Doug are you out there? I bet he's out pounding crappie now!
I'd have to say the crappie population is healthy... We had a tournament in Indiana couple weeks ago and three teams weighed in 18, 19 and 21 pounds for 14 crappie in a lake that many say is ruined. However, the older I get, the more I'd wish for a slot limit over total bag... It's all about the genes, and number two is habitat. Anything else seems like p#$$ing in the wind.
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Granted I don't fish a lot of different Indiana waters but I do fish the Slough a lot because it's not to far from home. But 25 gills from the likes of the Slough is plenty in my opinion.
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Granted I don't fish a lot of different Indiana waters but I do fish the Slough a lot because it's not to far from home. But 25 gills from the likes of the Slough is plenty in my opinion.
I agree, but you'd struggle to find a lake that has the pressure the slough has in the whole state.
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I agree 25 is plenty for any one trip for either gils or crappie. If a person needs more just take more trips. From a friend of mine that works for the dnr the possible reg change will not include crappie, however they discussed a 10 in size limits in the futher. Personally i think for the purpose of improving gil fishing we would be better served to look at individual bodies of water and regulate them.The slough is one that i think has been managed well, it gets fished hard in the winter and spring and still provides quality fishing. On the flip side some bodies of water need all the right sized gils removed. Picking and choosing would be the problem with that ideal. I would like to see the dnr choose some project lakes and follow what other states are doing, 5 fish limits,closed fishing dates,size,ext.
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If it ain't broke don't fix it, all the lakes I fish are full of nice gills and crappie and they all get a lot of fishing pressure, both winter and summer.
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I agree 25 is plenty for any one trip for either gils or crappie. If a person needs more just take more trips. From a friend of mine that works for the dnr the possible reg change will not include crappie, however they discussed a 10 in size limits in the futher. Personally i think for the purpose of improving gil fishing we would be better served to look at individual bodies of water and regulate them.The slough is one that i think has been managed well, it gets fished hard in the winter and spring and still provides quality fishing. On the flip side some bodies of water need all the right sized gils removed. Picking and choosing would be the problem with that ideal. I would like to see the dnr choose some project lakes and follow what other states are doing, 5 fish limits,closed fishing dates,size,ext.
Don't know how Indiana will do it , but in Michigan its 25 a day , not per trip!!
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I have heard from more than 1 person. People get their limit, go home and then come back for another. One of these days it will come back and bite them in the butt.
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I have heard from more than 1 person. People get their limit, go home and then come back for another. One of these days it will come back and bite them in the butt.
If this does pass I think the Dnr will clean up writing tickets for this.
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I have heard from more than 1 person. People get their limit, go home and then come back for another. One of these days it will come back and bite them in the butt.
Believe me , they will catch you, as they set back and watch from a very long distance!! Friend used to be a CO in the area till he retired and said was very easy, helluva fine also!!
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If this does pass I think the Dnr will clean up writing tickets for this.
I'll be an easy ticket I can't tell you how many times I've lost count on crappies then emptied out the live well into a bucket start over lol. Somehow I end up with one or two over I can't keep track worth a darn.I think I'll make rows of 5 on the ice a square maybe that will help..
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Get a counter! I have a rapala counter, its like a golf stroke counter!
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Yes but you have to remember to click it or its a ticket!
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Yes but you have to remember to click it or its a ticket!
LOL
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If it ain't broke don't fix it, all the lakes I fish are full of nice gills and crappie and they all get a lot of fishing pressure, both winter and summer.
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Some of the lakes I fish that have really nice gills are heavily pressured. Some of the lakes I fish that get very little pressure have the smallest gills...go figure.
The issue is not keeping a 100+ fish through the ice, the issue is keeping all the bull males during spawn. I went out and fished for gills one time on memorial weekend because I was out of fish. That day produced enough fish to make a nice fry. I left plenty of fish to finish the cycle. All you have to do is use some common sense....it is not that difficult. Unfortunately our societies mentality is declining and is subject to relying on our government to think for us. Pretty sad to say the least.
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Some of the lakes I fish that have really nice gills are heavily pressured. Some of the lakes I fish that get very little pressure have the smallest gills...go figure.
The issue is not keeping a 100+ fish through the ice, the issue is keeping all the bull males during spawn. I went out and fished for gills one time on memorial weekend because I was out of fish. That day produced enough fish to make a nice fry. I left plenty of fish to finish the cycle. All you have to do is use some common sense....it is not that difficult. Unfortunately our societies mentality is declining and is subject to relying on our government to think for us. Pretty sad to say the least.
Fishslayer81, I like keeping most of my fish through the ice and have been one of those guys with piles of fish, but I am not sure I understand this logic:
if 70 of the 100 that you keep are bull males in the winter, what makes a difference if you keep them in the winter or on the beds?
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Fishslayer81, I like keeping most of my fish through the ice and have been one of those guys with piles of fish, but I am not sure I understand this logic:
if 70 of the 100 that you keep are bull males in the winter, what makes a difference if you keep them in the winter or on the beds?
Valid point, but in the spring or early summer it is much easier to find a colony of beds that have all large bull males guarding the nests. These can easily be decimated. In the winter, you may catch males and females that are large and some that are just keepers but not the bulls. In lakes with healthy populations those keeper fish, but not bulls, are not usually bedding because the bulls chase them off the prime spawning areas and they can't compete. In the winter they will mix in with bull males, big females and small fish . So while there is no difference in taking 70 bull males from the ice or beds, it is much more difficult to solely target the biggest males thru the ice vs. the beds. On one hand you are intentionally targeting the largest males in the lake, and on the other you are targeting schools of fish who's makeup varies with big males, smaller males, and females of all sizes. If when you ice fish you only keep fish over 9" then you are probably targeting the largest males and females and might want to keep the 8-9" fish and let the 9"+ fish go, if serious about trying to manage for large gills.
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Good points everyone. I'm wandering if most will target just big fish now with the 25 limit and throw the 8s on down back in or possibly keeping a few smaller ones if trying to finish out the time they have with a limit.
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I hope they change the law and its 25 panfish of any type (including crappies). Either way the earliest the law will change will be on April 1st when licenses get renewed. So it will be free game for all the guys who fill their buckets all winter long for the entire ice season again. I have to clean fish outside in a cold garage so I don't like cleaning more than 25 anyways. Perfect time to enjoy a few tall n frosty's though after a day of fishing. Still cant believe I got on here before mid November ???
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First post this year! We have a small state park in my county that the state put a 10 or 15 fish limit on gills a few years back, and if my memory is correct I believe a 16 0r 18 inch limit on the bass. The fishing has for the most part remained the same; average eater gills 6-8 inches with an occasional 9 inch gill. The lake has a pretty healthy population of Catfish and some are big (5-8 lbs) there also are crappie in it some pretty nice, some real dinks. The pond/lake is probably 5-7 acres with lots of cover and good bedding areas. My point is I thought the quality of gills would have improved more than it has, the fish aren't as thick as some in other lakes I fish, don't get me wrong I just thought by now that the average size would have increased more. I only keep what I want to clean, (thats the bad fisherman excuse!!)
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First post this year! We have a small state park in my county that the state put a 10 or 15 fish limit on gills a few years back, and if my memory is correct I believe a 16 0r 18 inch limit on the bass. The fishing has for the most part remained the same; average eater gills 6-8 inches with an occasional 9 inch gill. The lake has a pretty healthy population of Catfish and some are big (5-8 lbs) there also are crappie in it some pretty nice, some real dinks. The pond/lake is probably 5-7 acres with lots of cover and good bedding areas. My point is I thought the quality of gills would have improved more than it has, the fish aren't as thick as some in other lakes I fish, don't get me wrong I just thought by now that the average size would have increased more. I only keep what I want to clean, (thats the bad fisherman excuse!!)
Cats that size will eat anything they can get their lips on!! My neighbor had a pond with cats up to 15lbs and when he caught them out and got rid of them, he always had descent gills in the pond but the size really went up. The only predator fish are largemouth bass now, a cat that size WILL eat a 9" gill!! Just in my experience!!
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Hi teardrop, i know the lake in the state forest your referring to. When i was a boy(45 yrs ago) that lake produced lb plus Gil's as a norm. It was the go to place in the state. It got fished hard by 100s yr round for yrs. It only stopped producing quality fish after it frooze out in the winter of 78/79 or there abouts. Restocking and new regs have not made any difference. Water quality, genetics, not limits or regs in my opion are the most important thing. Fishing pressure is no where near what it was yrs ago at any time of the yr. People fished for food then not for fun and the avg fish and population again in my opion was much better on all bodies of water.
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A 5-7 acre BOW that produced 100's of one pound plus bluegills year-round for many years would be quite something to experience.
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Almost sounds like that "infamous" gravel pit from last season ;D
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Almost sounds like that "infamous" gravel pit from last season ;D
Haha! Waiting on Dylan to say that he doesn't mind because all of his gills are over 12 inches..
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Fishking83 wrote:
"I hope they change the law and its 25 panfish of any type (including crappies). "
I wholeheartedly agree 100%.
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Let me clarify for those that need it. 100s of fishermen year round and yes it was a treat for those of us that fished it.
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Let me clarify for those that need it. 100s of fishermen year round and yes it was a treat for those of us that fished it.
Must have been shallow if it froze out in the late 70's. It must have also been loaded with fish to support that many angler hours per year in that small of a pond. Was it all shore fishing or could you put in a boat?
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It has a very nice ramp and has a lot access for shore fishing. At that time it was much deeper than now, 20 ft or more. Now 16 would be hard to find. Always stayed clear, now muddies up easily. It's still a place i go each winter that brings back fond memories but never the fish it once did.
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The lake is still a nice place to fish. Big R after the 77-78 winters your right there was a kill, but the lake still had fish around 1980-81 the state killed off and drained the pond for dam repairs, none had been done for several years. Heck the CCC built it Im not sure if much if anything had been done since completion. Anyway I grew up
About two miles from it, back before the Feds and state got involved in the area the road back was gravel and the whole park was rarely used, except for the locals. I have seen many nice messes of fish come from there I caught a nice bunch last year. My point is there is plenty of food and above all else I thought that would be the ticket once the limit was set I thought it would come back quicker, there is good fishing now but not what I remember as a kid in the early 60s.
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The beards won't like this limit change. But, I think the majority will understand and abide by the new law.
OK, I'll bite, what are "the beards". I'm 60 and in 50 years on the ice I've never heard any talk about the Beards. If its slang for Old Timers, I'm a Old Timer and I'm for a gill limit.
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OK, I'll bite, what are "the beards". I'm 60 and in 50 years on the ice I've never heard any talk about the Beards. If its slang for Old Timers, I'm a Old Timer and I'm for a gill limit.
The term beards = Amish = :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: + :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish:
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I think a 25 fish limit on gills is fine . I don't like to clean to many more that that at a time anyway .
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OK, I'll bite, what are "the beards". I'm 60 and in 50 years on the ice I've never heard any talk about the Beards. If its slang for Old Timers, I'm a Old Timer and I'm for a gill limit.
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Lol Travis!
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The term beards = Amish = :
Ok, makes sense now. Guess you have to live/fish their neck of the woods to know the slang.
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I know plenty of people who keep fish that are just as small and keep just as many as the "Beards" and they don't have a beard at all.
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good one Travis and Tightliner.
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The term beards = Amish = :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: + :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish: :icefish:
Im amish and i dont have a beard ??? Oh wait im not married yet ::)
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Is this a for sure law, and if so when does it take effect? Don't fish that often in Indiana but want to be up on the law!
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Is this a for sure law, and if so when does it take effect? Don't fish that often in Indiana but want to be up on the law!
Not a law yet. It is on the list of rules up for possible laws based on a surveys from the public from last year and DNR biologist input. At the earliest it will go into effect April 1 as the new license year begins. I think there are few public hearings/feedback sessions scheduled too.
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:tipup: :tipup:...Fear the Beard!!!!! blue..lol
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Michigan water seems to be better than Indiana, I wish our state would manage our water like Michigan does.
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OK, after reading ALL the replies on here and reading the "proposal" of new regulations, here's my take on this whole thing. A 25 limit on sunfish, all those mentioned in the proposal, is a good thing. For several reasons. Like the proposal says, the technologies involved have greatly increased the catching ability of most fishermen. Second, the need for more than 25 fish is just pure greed in my eyes. Morally I think that's just wrong. Twenty-five fish is more than enough for any one person. As for what they do in Michigan, I could care less what they do up north of us. This is Indiana and the fish and game are owned by the people of Indiana. That's why if you're out of state you have to pay extra for licenses. Now for the naysayers thinking they will include crappie in all of this. Won't happen guys. The biologists know the difference between sunfishes and crappie. Technically, crappie are in the sunfish family, so are largemouth and smallmouth bass. BUT, same family, different species alltogether. From what I learned in Fish Management Class at Vincennes University studying Conservation Law Enforcement, you need to harvest bluegill from the smaller impoundments or they will over populate in a couple of years. Unless you put some catfish and bass in there to help control them. Bluegill do spawn several times in a year, the spring spawn being the biggest. And they can lay quite a few eggs in one season. Now I said bluegill, not redear. Redear already have a 25 limit and it's your reponsibility to know the difference. Because redear are known to spawn only in the spring and don't reproduce as prolifically as bluegill. But I see nothing wrong with putting all other species of sunfish, excluding crappie and bass, in the same bag limit as the redear. As for catching bigger gills, there are so many factors involved. Food availability, genes, and something a lot of people don't know or realize, a body of water can only hold so many pounds of fish. How is that? Well, it has to do with the factors I mentioned and also the amount of oxygen levels in the water. Fish need oxygen we all know. But if that body of water hasn't got the right amount plant life, they suffer and the more fish there are the less oxygen involved. But most of our lakes do have proper oxygen levels. Point is, a larger impoundment should mean larger fish. If all the factors involved are optimum. And we all know nature isn't always optimum. The animals adapt or die. Adapting could mean smaller fish. Our reservoirs are all fed with rivers or creeks and they produce oxygen when they have ripples and areas like that where the water roils over rocks or rills. Every try to put fish in water from your well? They die. There isn't any oxygen in that water. Wind also produces oxygen on a more limited level. When there are waves rising up from wind activity, that creates some oxygen. It's all about a balancing act and hopefully by making limits on the amount of bluegill we catch, we'll continue to see the future of sport fishing in these wonderful United States and especially in the state of Indiana, to grow and produce like we see today. Continue to catch and waste fish like we've seen some do, we can tell our grandkids the good old days when you really could catch bluegills 8 to 10 inches.
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A limit would be a start, but I would still prefer a trial program on a few, select BOW. Blanket limits, while quick, cheap, and easy to enforce, could have the opposite effect on some lakes.
Oxygen levels are certainly critical to survival, but remember that water temps and stratification have a role to play where DO is concerned also.
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A limit would be a start, but I would still prefer a trial program on a few, select BOW. Blanket limits, while quick, cheap, and easy to enforce, could have the opposite effect on some lakes.
Oxygen levels are certainly critical to survival, but remember that water temps and stratification have a role to play where DO is concerned also.
I agree, but remember, I said factors, ALL of them. That's one I forgot. And it isn't always optimal. It's always a balancing act.
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I'm hoping that if the law is changed to a 25 panfish limit the DNR has a bucket at the parking space so I can get my fair share! :-) ::)
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A limit would be a start, but I would still prefer a trial program on a few, select BOW. Blanket limits, while quick, cheap, and easy to enforce, could have the opposite effect on some lakes.
Oxygen levels are certainly critical to survival, but remember that water temps and stratification have a role to play where DO is concerned also.
good post!
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A limit would be a start, but I would still prefer a trial program on a few, select BOW. Blanket limits, while quick, cheap, and easy to enforce, could have the opposite effect on some lakes.
I can't see just haveing a few lakes w/25 limit, all Ind. lakes should start with same limits. Daily hopping from lake to lake happens more in the winter than summer so it could cause confusion or problems.
Ex: Say Bass lake gets no panfish limit but Maxie gets a 25 gill limit. In the mourning I fish Bass lake and catch 30 gills, then I decide to go to Maxie. What do I do with the 30 gills I caught at Bass Lake. I can't leave them in bucket and take them out on Maxie w/25 gill limit. And if I leave them in my truck and the DNR wants to check my truck. How do I prove I caught the 30 gills on Bass Lake?
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I can't see just haveing a few lakes w/25 limit, all Ind. lakes should start with same limits. Daily hopping from lake to lake happens more in the winter than summer so it could cause confusion or problems.
Ex: Say Bass lake gets no panfish limit but Maxie gets a 25 gill limit. In the mourning I fish Bass lake and catch 30 gills, then I decide to go to Maxie. What do I do with the 30 gills I caught at Bass Lake. I can't leave them in bucket and take them out on Maxie w/25 gill limit. And if I leave them in my truck and the DNR wants to check my truck. How do I prove I caught the 30 gills on Bass Lake?
It's not going to be lake to lake but it's your responsibility to know what the laws are of each lake. Some lakes 12 inch Jack bass are ok. Other lakes have two walleye limits ect..... It's posted at every public access not that big of a deal imo. If you get confused the officers will be glad to give you some up training for a fee lol.
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I can't see just haveing a few lakes w/25 limit, all Ind. lakes should start with same limits. Daily hopping from lake to lake happens more in the winter than summer so it could cause confusion or problems.
Ex: Say Bass lake gets no panfish limit but Maxie gets a 25 gill limit. In the mourning I fish Bass lake and catch 30 gills, then I decide to go to Maxie. What do I do with the 30 gills I caught at Bass Lake. I can't leave them in bucket and take them out on Maxie w/25 gill limit. And if I leave them in my truck and the DNR wants to check my truck. How do I prove I caught the 30 gills on Bass Lake?
You don't. If you're traveling to a lake that has a limit in place, you make sure you drop those earlier gills off at home before you go.
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Sprkplug, just tell them the truth... Fish are just like deer and many other things in life, the more you can control the environment with science and keep out the counter productive factors, the more likely you will realize the expected outcome.
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You don't. If you're traveling to a lake that has a limit in place, you make sure you drop those earlier gills off at home before you go.
So you're saying after Bass lake I should drive 1 hour back home and drop the gills off, then drive another hour back up to Maxie? Don't think to many would do that.
My point and example was a reply to Sprkplugs suggestion of starting off a few lakes w/limits. In my opinion I didn't agree with a few lakes, all should have the same gill limit. That way if I left one lake no matter what other lake I went to the gill limit would be the same at 25.
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.....It's posted at every public access not that big of a deal imo. If you get confused the officers will be glad to give you some up training for a fee lol.
Hm, don't think all fish limits or size limits are posted at to many lake accesses. You'll need to get a Ind. fishin Reg. phamplet for that info. You may but I don't need any officer to give me any training, I always have a copy of the regulations with me for any questions that come up.
Ignorance of the law is no excuss and will not get you out of a fine or ticket.
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I think what they are advocating is the law not be made as a blanket for the 'convenience' of the angler, but instead applied to protect the fishery since it is likely some lakes could be hurt by the limit while others will benefit. So if using your example, Bass does not need a limit and maxi does, it would be wise for them to make the rules that way if it benefits both BOW, despite how it many inconvenience you, me or any other anglers.
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what perch arent included?! (you catch that james? ;D)
25 gill limit, i can live with. not sure if it will do anything for size though. time will tell, if it makes law.
when? cant see a ticket standing for a law that isnt in the rule book. so, 2016 at the soonest? mite start warning if passed in 15, though.
now the walleye limit, im in favor of. that should lead to better size fillets. i would have felt even better about an 18 or 20" limit.
what i wanna know is, can you eat a limit while your out there and still take a limit home? burp,#**&, pass the shrimp sauce.
(PEOPLE, PLEASE DONT LEAVE TINY GILLS ON THE ICE. BE ECO FRIENDLY AND STOMP THEM AT THE HOLES EDGE. TY)
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Sprkplug, just tell them the truth... Fish are just like deer and many other things in life, the more you can control the environment with science and keep out the counter productive factors, the more likely you will realize the expected outcome.
HA! Ain't that the truth though.... ;) Leave the good genes, remove the less desirable ones. Not always what we want to hear, at least not when there's still space on the living room wall...
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what perch arent included?! (you catch that james? ;D)
25 gill limit, i can live with. not sure if it will do anything for size though. time will tell, if it makes law.
when? cant see a ticket standing for a law that isnt in the rule book. so, 2016 at the soonest? mite start warning if passed in 15, though.
now the walleye limit, im in favor of. that should lead to better size fillets. i would have felt even better about an 18 or 20" limit.
what i wanna know is, can you eat a limit while your out there and still take a limit home? burp,#**&, pass the shrimp sauce.
(PEOPLE, PLEASE DONT LEAVE TINY GILLS ON THE ICE. BE ECO FRIENDLY AND STOMP THEM AT THE HOLES EDGE. TY)
LOL at James..... I think the 25 panny limit has a chance to get on the books before the new license year that starts April 1, 2015. It won't affect ice season, but may be in place by the spawn. DNR could make a killing in fines if they enforce it from the moment it becomes a law.
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what perch arent included?! (you catch that james? ;D)
25 gill limit, i can live with. not sure if it will do anything for size though. time will tell, if it makes law.
when? cant see a ticket standing for a law that isnt in the rule book. so, 2016 at the soonest? mite start warning if passed in 15, though.
now the walleye limit, im in favor of. that should lead to better size fillets. i would have felt even better about an 18 or 20" limit.
what i wanna know is, can you eat a limit while your out there and still take a limit home? burp,#**&, pass the shrimp sauce.
(PEOPLE, PLEASE DONT LEAVE TINY GILLS ON THE ICE. BE ECO FRIENDLY AND STOMP THEM AT THE HOLES EDGE. TY)
Not in Michigan, 25 only, I think you cant clean fish on ice, if you do better have the carcass, to prove what you had, correct if I'm wrong! If thrown in the water, littering!
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This has been a great thread to read!! Good info and points by all.
When it comes to fish management, we all know the biologists have made some horrible decisions over the years. In my home state of Colorado, the management of lake trout and kokanee salmon has been atrocious at times, sometimes ruining a great fishery.
That said, I think a 25 sunfish limit in aggregate is a no-brainer. It will not only give the sunfish a minor respite, but will insure that the predator fish have plenty of forage. Here in TN, there is a limit of 25 on redear but no limit on gills. I feel like an aggregate limit and even a 6" minimum length reg would do great things for the fisheries around here... Embrace the regulation guys... I see that most of you do. It will give you better fishing and opportunities at some better fish foibg forward.
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So you're saying after Bass lake I should drive 1 hour back home and drop the gills off, then drive another hour back up to Maxie? Don't think to many would do that.
My point and example was a reply to Sprkplugs suggestion of starting off a few lakes w/limits. In my opinion I didn't agree with a few lakes, all should have the same gill limit. That way if I left one lake no matter what other lake I went to the gill limit would be the same at 25.
To be sure, it would be simpler to have a statewide limit. And if the law passes, that's probably how it will be. I just hate to leap off the bank feet first, without testing the water beforehand. As far as the inconvenience to you the angler, if one chooses to look hard enough, you will always find an inconvenience or disruption, no matter the circumstances. If you're worried about going over the limit by taking fish from another location to a BOW that has a limit imposed, my suggestion would be to hit the limit area FIRST....then proceed to a lake without limits.
I personally don't think a limit is the correct solution for every BOW. But I recognize the need to start somewhere. Who knows....maybe a few lakes with limits in place might start turning out some huge gills...then they would become your priority destination, with the non-limit lakes being secondary.
There are so many variables in play, that I doubt that anyone has the answer. I certainly don't.
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i totally agree with larger size on walleye and limits on panfish.
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i totally agree with larger size on walleye and limits on panfish.
I just noticed your signature. I prefer to say "My wife got fed up with my ice fishing practices. She left town with my best friend. I sure will miss him!".
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After getting to the diet chapter of a good crappie book recommended by HT I'm implementing a no bed fishing policy state wide on gills so they can spawn more crappie food! Fat crappies are fun crappies!
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After getting to the diet chapter of a good crappie book recommended by HT I'm implementing a no bed fishing policy state wide on gills so they can spawn more crappie food! Fat crappies are fun crappies!
I hate fishing them off the beds myself. But you never know when they are going to spawn.
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If the 25 panfish limit includes crappies, then I will be keeping less crappies since I like eating gills better. Either way, I would try to target perch more often. However, I would rather see them close, or at least limit the spawning season.
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LOL at James..... I think the 25 panny limit has a chance to get on the books before the new license year that starts April 1, 2015. It won't affect ice season, but may be in place by the spawn. DNR could make a killing in fines if they enforce it from the moment it becomes a law.
yes they could burn a lot of people with a brand new law. havent seen them pull that crap in the past though. lets hope it dont start. the 15-16 book will tell the story. anyone know when they come out?
wouldnt it be easier if licenses started on jan 1st? does anyone know why license dates are set as they are?
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yes they could burn a lot of people with a brand new law. havent seen them pull that crap in the past though. lets hope it dont start. the 15-16 book will tell the story. anyone know when they come out?
wouldnt it be easier if licenses started on jan 1st? does anyone know why license dates are set as they are?
I believe they changed the dates on licenses so they would match up with Michigan. They changed the dates on the licenses only a few years ago. Our license dates are now the same as Michigan's.
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yes they could burn a lot of people with a brand new law. havent seen them pull that crap in the past though. lets hope it dont start. the 15-16 book will tell the story. anyone know when they come out?
wouldnt it be easier if licenses started on jan 1st? does anyone know why license dates are set as they are?
I don't think the create printed pamphlets anymore. It think you have to get them online and I don't think they are available until mid March or so.
I think the reason for the licenses to start April 1st is to give a newly elected Governor and state representives time to react before the new license year starts in case they want to make changes. I think the Gov. appoints the DNR head etc., so allowing some transition time and the chance for new ideas before the next license year is probably a good idea.
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You guys referring to the Indiana Fishing Regs Rag? Those come out e very year and can be picked up at any place that sells licenses. It's ad based now maybe from a third party company I'm guessing. It's too nice to be made by the state lol. Hunting Reg Rag is a nice read too.
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I don't think the create printed pamphlets anymore. It think you have to get them online and I don't think they are available until mid March or so.
I think the reason for the licenses to start April 1st is to give a newly elected Governor and state representives time to react before the new license year starts in case they want to make changes. I think the Gov. appoints the DNR head etc., so allowing some transition time and the chance for new ideas before the next license year is probably a good idea.
Interesting thoughts Waxie. It does seem to me that it wasn't that long ago that you had to get a license starting March 1st?
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I have a brother that lives in North eastern MN.[ the arrowhead region] and the limit for crappies 15 and gills is 15 so 25 not really out of line. This is going to happen in most all states eventualy
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I have a brother that lives in North eastern MN.[ the arrowhead region] and the limit for crappies 15 and gills is 15 so 25 not really out of line. This is going to happen in most all states eventualy
The farther north you go the limits get tighter because the growing season is shorter and the spawning window is much smaller due to the water temps not getting as warm as fast. Gills need water 68-70 to have an effective spawn and with lakes that far north where the ice does not leave until mid April or later, they may get a single spawning cycle in since by the time the water reaches the right temp, the days are already getting shorter and the water temp may slowly start to decline. It takes alot longer to get an 8" gill in N. Minn than it does in lakes in IN., but I argree it is time for a limit on Gills here too.
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Here in NY its 50 sunfish any size you , for perch it's 50 any size, and crappie is 9" and 25....
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I have a brother that lives in North eastern MN.[ the arrowhead region] and the limit for crappies 15 and gills is 15 so 25 not really out of line. This is going to happen in most all states eventualy
If I remember right all the states around us have panfish limits. We're the last one. I think it's high time. OTOH I would prefer if it was not on all the lakes. Some lakes that have stunted overpopulated bluegills and should be exempt. And the biologists know which ones they are.
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Here in NY its 50 sunfish any size you , for perch it's 50 any size, and crappie is 9" and 25....
So they finally must have dropped the ability to sell sunfish out of public waters on the open market? Apparently there was no bag limit previously as it was explained to me by a biologist if a fish had no bag limit it was legal to catch and sell.
Gotta go. I've got several hundred bluegill fingerlings to move to one of my recirculating tanks in the basement from an acclimating tank now that the temps are the same. I took them out of one of my hatching ponds yesterday. Pretty miserable going with air temps below freezing! Water was pumped from a pond through the basement window to the acclimating tank. Upper 30's! Water is now 69.
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Taxi that doesn't sound anything like fun! Why are you playing with predator food?
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So they finally must have dropped the ability to sell sunfish out of public waters on the open market? Apparently there was no bag limit previously as it was explained to me by a biologist if a fish had no bag limit it was legal to catch and sell.
In NY you can sell fish as long as the species you are selling has no closed season or no minimum length in the statewide regulations..... panfish (perch crappie and sunfish) are open all year round here in NY
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In NY you can sell fish as long as the species you are selling has no closed season or no minimum length in the statewide regulations..... panfish (perch crappie and sunfish) are open all year round here in NY
What are your feelings on that?
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I snapped this pic today of some of the bluegills I brought in for the winter. This is what biologists call a "rolling spawn" which means a species can spawn more than once in a year. This is evidence of at least 3 separate spawns, probably 4, in the small 1/10 acre pond where I planted 4 males and four female broodfish and let them do their thing. There were probably a few thousand offspring in that pond from those few fish.
That shows you why it's important to have a good predator population to control them.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/CecilBaird1/IMG_0890_zps14451e0d.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/CecilBaird1/media/IMG_0890_zps14451e0d.jpg.html)
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OK boys with these 25 limits coming up you all better get put weekly and do your jobs in harvesting! Muskies only eat the big ones lol. Thanks for sharing that Taxi great info.
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Cool picture Taxi... I better brush up on my technique's so I can catch my 25 and help out. It is rare that I accomplish that feat, but I can get to 12-15 pretty regular. When I first started a couple of years ago I was happy with a half dozen keepers each outing.
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When it comes to harvesting bluegills, it's not always about the numbers. Quality of fish kept has a role to play also.
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^^this^^
Selective harvest is important, especially when you've got a stunted population or overpopulation. In the smaller ponds I fish, I will often take the smaller fish out (5-7") and leave the 8"+ fish in the water. Then again, that isn't ALWAYS the best method because you have to also take into consideration the size and condition of the predatory fish in the water.
Know your BOW, and select the fish you choose to keep and those you choose to release... I always look at it like "how can I make this fishery better." Sometimes, C&R is the best policy, just based on the numbers and conditions of the fish at hand.
It's not black and white, that's for sure
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Taxi that doesn't sound anything like fun! Why are you playing with predator food?
It's part of how I make my living.
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It's part of how I make my living.
You raise fish for a living by selling pond raised gills or for stocking ponds?
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Taxi is the man when it comes to raising trophy fish!
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I'm more interested in trophy fish sandwiches for selling at my pubs!
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I'm more interested in trophy fish sandwiches for selling at my pubs!
Methinks that would be one expensive fish sandwich if Taxi's fish were involved! ;)
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When it comes to harvesting bluegills, it's not always about the numbers. Quality of fish kept has a role to play also.
So true Tony.
I remember once I got greedy and caught 200 off the beds from a Massachusetts lake where they call bluegills "kivers" or "sunnies" and consider them trashfish. Anyway i cleaned fish all night and decided to back off after that. Personally I think 25 fish or 50 fillets is plenty for an outing.
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I'm more interested in trophy fish sandwiches for selling at my pubs!
I can see it now: "The Papakeechie Panini" :thumbsup:
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You raise fish for a living by selling pond raised gills or for stocking ponds?
I'm a fish taxidermist that raises trophy size fish for sale frozen to taxidermists as far away as Hawaii. They use them for their showrooms, competitions, and make molds of them.
If I have extra YOY bluegills or yellow perch I sell them. But I don't sell fish for stocking specifically.
It's illegal to buy or sell fish out of public waters hence my niche market.
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Taxi is the man when it comes to raising trophy fish!
Tony (sprkplug) raises some bruiser bluegills!
You should post some pictures Tony!
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I'm more interested in trophy fish sandwiches for selling at my pubs!
You own some pubs? Where at?
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Methinks that would be one expensive fish sandwich if Taxi's fish were involved! ;)
I don't even eat them as I get too much for them
Here are a few pics of gills from my pond.
I think this one was 1 lb. 7 oz.
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My bluegills are 1 lb. at 9.5 inches. 1 lb. 4 oz. at 10 inches and 1 lb. 6 to 7 oz. at 101/4 to 10 1/2 inches. Hand fed commercial pellets and only males in the trophy pond. If I ever get one to 11 inches I'm hoping it will be 2 lbs.
More pics:
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(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/CecilBaird1/IMG_0692_zps756c9a26.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/CecilBaird1/media/IMG_0692_zps756c9a26.jpg.html)
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Those are some beautiful fish! I am afraid of what I would do if I had those in my back yard. I don't think I have enough self restraint to leave them alone. Cool job! I am jealous
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Mr. Taxi those are some nice gills you got there. How many years does it take to get to 10 inches under the conditions you provide?
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Beautiful fish! Very well done.
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That's a thing of beauty how built those fish are. Your 10" fish are 20 ounces and I caught one this summer that doesn't even seem like it was 12 compared to those. Here's a pic for comparison:
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So Taxi what do you consider to be a trophy mountable gill from a public body of water?
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Those are some beautiful fish! I am afraid of what I would do if I had those in my back yard. I don't think I have enough self restraint to leave them alone. Cool job! I am jealous
Don't be jealous. Come out in March or April when we harvest the bluegill and perch. You could even get one mounted if you wanted to. This spring I will also be seining the pond as some are getting wary as they get older and bigger. My guess is there are some that have been caught and released that may not bite anymore.
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Not in Michigan, 25 only, I think you cant clean fish on ice, if you do better have the carcass, to prove what you had, correct if I'm wrong! If thrown in the water, littering!
I don't know the Ind. regs on cleaning gills on the ice. But if you clean it to fry it up and eat it right there, I can't see why that would be a problem. And since you ate it I don't know if its included in daily limit.
As for throwing the carcass down the hole, thats called chuming and thats legal in Ind.
I emailed the DNR last year and hear is the reply.
It is legal to use native species of snails as bait for fishing. There are some exotic species of snails that would not be legal to use, but native snails found in the lake could be used as bait.
Secondly, the DNR does not prohibit a person from chumming when fishing. However, you should use a limited amount and not apply a large amount of dead fish that could give the impression of a fish kill or other water quality problem. A small amount of dead fish and corn in an ice fishing hole would not be a problem.
Sincerely,
Linnea Petercheff
Operations Staff Specialist
Division of Fish and Wildlife
402 W. Washington Street, Room W273
Indianapolis, IN 46204
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Mr. Taxi those are some nice gills you got there. How many years does it take to get to 10 inches under the conditions you provide?
It can be done in 3 to 4 years by growing them year around by bringing the YOY inside in tanks for the winter. They don't grow under the ice or if they do it's very minute. I also have tanks at three high schools. In the wild a 10 inch bluegill 8 to 10 years of age.
Lincoln University in Missouri has produced 10 inch bluegill in one year but not on a regular basis. Selective breeding is the key.
Keep in mind fast growth and commercial feed has its downside. Fast growing fish typically have shorter lifespans and the commercial feed tends to produce fatty livers. This can also shorten their lifespans. I have only grown a bluegill over 10 5/8's inches once. I'm hoping there will be some this spring. Along with fishing I will be doing some seining to find any hook shy ones.
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I don't even eat them as I get too much for them
Here are a few pics of gills from my pond.
I think this one was 1 lb. 7 oz.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/CecilBaird1/100_0307_zps72a94d63.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/CecilBaird1/media/100_0307_zps72a94d63.jpg.html)
Do you ever flyfish for them? Catching one like this one on a flyrod would be a awesome battle.
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Do you ever flyfish for them? Catching one like this one on a flyrod would be a awesome battle.
Yes I have. It is a blast. You have to get down to about 8 feet to get them. These fish stay deep except at feeding time.
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I don't know the Ind. regs on cleaning gills on the ice. But if you clean it to fry it up and eat it right there, I can't see why that would be a problem. And since you ate it I don't know if its included in daily limit.
If they put a limit on gills, any fish you clean and eat on the ice would count as part of your 25 fish daily limit. I don't think there is a law against cleaning fish on the ice that have a daily limit, but you better keep the carcasses to prove you are within your 25 limit. Guys that fish in groups now and are used to throwing their fish into the same pile or bucket will now also have to keep piles separate as it will be illegal for one guy to catch 30 of 50 fish that make up a 2 man limit. Same rules apply in Michigan.
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So Taxi what do you consider to be a trophy mountable gill from a public body of water?
Lengthwise 10 inches. But a really rare trophy would be 11 inches or more.
Weightwise over a pound.
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That's a thing of beauty how built those fish are. Your 10" fish are 20 ounces and I caught one this summer that doesn't even seem like it was 12 compared to those. Here's a pic for comparison:
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Still a very nice fish just slower growing hence the slimmer profile.
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Some of the big sunfish the boy and I have caught out of our backyard pond. The light-colored sunfish isn't the proper color for a gill, but if it is, it's the biggest i've ever seen at 11". The redears are 11.5 and 12" respectively. Other gills we caught there range from 8-10.5"
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Nice fish!
Redears don't always fare well in ponds up here. They are sensitive to rapid temp flucuations in the fall and are close to their northern range limit. In deeper lakes they do better where temps are more stable.
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Here in Tennessee, they thrive. Of course, I'd trade my shot at any trophy fish for the rest of my life if I could ice fish each winter. To me, there is no substitute. I'm going to get a one man pontoon and take my flasher and ice rods out in the Spring and give that a shot... see if it compares... But I'm fairly confident it will be a poor substitute for the ice.
Little to no chance of consistent ice here (or anywhere within a 4 hour drive of here) but I hold out hope for at least one or two weeks when all is right with the world and I can drill a few holes and jig a few fish off the bottom. :)
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I'm a fish taxidermist that raises trophy size fish for sale frozen to taxidermists as far away as Hawaii. They use them for their showrooms, competitions, and make molds of them.
If I have extra YOY bluegills or yellow perch I sell them. But I don't sell fish for stocking specifically.
It's illegal to buy or sell fish out of public waters hence my niche market.
Ahhh sweet! Kinda like raising trophy bucks. Great looking fish Taxi! How close are you to the Fort Wayne area? Get people asking about taxidermy all the time. You do everything or more into just fish? Pm me your info I'll post it if your looking for work.
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Here in Tennessee, they thrive. Of course, I'd trade my shot at any trophy fish for the rest of my life if I could ice fish each winter. To me, there is no substitute. I'm going to get a one man pontoon and take my flasher and ice rods out in the Spring and give that a shot... see if it compares... But I'm fairly confident it will be a poor substitute for the ice.
Little to no chance of consistent ice here (or anywhere within a 4 hour drive of here) but I hold out hope for at least one or two weeks when all is right with the world and I can drill a few holes and jig a few fish off the bottom. :)
That's interesting that a lot of people (yourself and ryoder) who move away from regions where Ice fishing is a big deal seem to really miss it once they leave. I agree it's a good time and is a lot less of a hassle (for the most part) to get out and fish without hitching up your boat, launching it, waiting for all the people who have never launched a boat before, etc. I guess if I lived in Tennessee I would just bass fish all the time. I say that now, but if I really lived there, who knows how I would feel. Only a few weeks out ;D
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Ahhh sweet! Kinda like raising trophy bucks. Great looking fish Taxi! How close are you to the Fort Wayne area? Get people asking about taxidermy all the time. You do everything or more into just fish? Pm me your info I'll post it if your looking for work.
I specialize in fish. Used to do the gameheads but got to the point I was so busy I had to cut back. My solution was to specialize in fish. Not a big hunter anyway. Got fed up with tresspassers hunting in my spots too.
I already have a lot if business as it is. Almost a year out right now. Thanks for the offer though. If you're ever out this way I can give you some business cards.
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That's interesting that a lot of people (yourself and ryoder) who move away from regions where Ice fishing is a big deal seem to really miss it once they leave. I agree it's a good time and is a lot less of a hassle (for the most part) to get out and fish without hitching up your boat, launching it, waiting for all the people who have never launched a boat before, etc. I guess if I lived in Tennessee I would just bass fish all the time. I say that now, but if I really lived there, who knows how I would feel. Only a few weeks out ;D
I'd be fishing the Cumberland River for huge browns and the TVA lakes for big crappies! Not a big green carp fan. LOL
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If they put a limit on gills, any fish you clean and eat on the ice would count as part of your 25 fish daily limit. I don't think there is a law against cleaning fish on the ice that have a daily limit, but you better keep the carcasses to prove you are within your 25 limit. Guys that fish in groups now and are used to throwing their fish into the same pile or bucket will now also have to keep piles separate as it will be illegal for one guy to catch 30 of 50 fish that make up a 2 man limit. Same rules apply in Michigan.
Never thought of it that way Waxie. I can only think of one time where me and a buddy got our limit. That was crappie and it was on Salamonie through the ice. We had them in a pile. I couldn't tell you who caught what!!!!!! Interesting.
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Hmmmmm odd you would think it would apply then in the summer we throw the crappie into the same live well. Have never had the DNR say anything about it. We also merge salmon and steelhead in the same cooler and just know that per boat what our limit cap is. Even on charters walleye fishing they just count total per head or uses to. Been a long time since I did a walleye charter. Good points though.
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Hmmmmm odd you would think it would apply then in the summer we throw the crappie into the same live well. Have never had the DNR say anything about it. We also merge salmon and steelhead in the same cooler and just know that per boat what our limit cap is. Even on charters walleye fishing they just count total per head or uses to. Been a long time since I did a walleye charter. Good points though.
Never thought of it that way Waxie. I can only think of one time where me and a buddy got our limit. That was crappie and it was on Salamonie through the ice. We had them in a pile. I couldn't tell you who caught what!!!!!! Interesting.
I do know a couple years ago when fishing up in Michigan 3 of us were fishing and had about 68 gills laying on the ice. When we bagged them up we put them in bags of 25 and each person carried a bag. In the parking lot the CO was there and checked our catch and licenses and specifically said they must be kept separate. Had he come on the ice, one or all 3 of us would have been fined or warned.
I think you would have to catch a CO in a bad mood to write you up for it if he just walked upon 2 guys and they had at or under the 2 man limit and over the 1 man limit, but had them in community pile. He may suggest you separate them, though. However, if he is watching from a far which they often do before approaching, and sees one guy catching 2 to 1 and then checks and you don't have your fish separated you will likely get a warning or fine. In the end it is your word against his in court if you take it that far, but it easier and less expensive to just keep the catch separate. People use a single cooler and livewell all the time, but I think by the letter of the law, one person is not allowed to limit out and then contribute to another person's limit in the same day. I am not sure if the rules for charters are different or not, but anyone who has been on one knows the catch rate is rarely equal among all people on board, so some are contributing to others limits. That would be a good question for the DNR.
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I do know a couple years ago when fishing up in Michigan 3 of us were fishing and had about 68 gills laying on the ice. When we bagged them up we put them in bags of 25 and each person carried a bag. In the parking lot the CO was there and checked our catch and licenses and specifically said they must be kept separate. Had he come on the ice, one or all 3 of us would have been fined or warned.
I think you would have to catch a CO in a bad mood to write you up for it if he just walked upon 2 guys and they had at or under the 2 man limit and over the 1 man limit, but had them in community pile. He may suggest you separate them, though. However, if he is watching from a far which they often do before approaching, and sees one guy catching 2 to 1 and then checks and you don't have your fish separated you will likely get a warning or fine. In the end it is your word against his in court if you take it that far, but it easier and less expensive to just keep the catch separate. People use a single cooler and livewell all the time, but I think by the letter of the law, one person is not allowed to limit out and then contribute to another person's limit in the same day. I am not sure if the rules for charters are different or not, but anyone who has been on one knows the catch rate is rarely equal among all people on board, so some are contributing to others limits. That would be a good question for the DNR.
If it does go to court and your word against his, you are in deep doo doo!! They will almost all the time take the CO word before yours!
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If it does go to court and your word against his, you are in deep doo doo!! They will almost all the time take the CO word before yours!
Likely true, that is why it is easier to just keep them separate to avoid the issue altogether. If the CO has no evidence other than than a pile of more than 1 man limit and under a 2 man limit in a pile between 2 guys and both guys are willing to testify neither had contributed more than 25 to the pile, then you may have a shot at getting off, but still have to pay court costs and a lawyer unless representing yourself. Not worth the risk or expense, when so easily avoided.
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Know of a guy that had 26, in fish basket in summer that came in to load boat, and was ticketed , took fish, cost $85 was a couple yrs ago in Michigan, found out later that the same guy had been caught numerous times for same offense!! Now I think if they want in a worse case scenerio they can confiscate your vehicle!!
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Worked with a woman once that bragged her husband caught his limit of 25 bluegills in Michigan and just kept bringing the fish in and going back out for 25 more. People like that make me sick.
I was also told of someone that caught 1600 bluegills on Sacrider near Kendallvile last summer that gave most of the away. Really selfish IMHO as those are fish you and I won't catch some cold day on the ice when the bite is slow.
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Worked with a woman once that bragged her husband caught his limit of 25 bluegills in Michigan and just kept bringing the fish in and going back out for 25 more. People like that make me sick.
I was also told of someone that caught 1600 bluegills on Sacrider near Kendallvile last summer that gave most of the away. Really selfish IMHO as those are fish you and I won't catch some cold day on the ice when the bite is slow.
Unfortunately I am sure some will do exactly that in IN if they pass the law. Heck there is a guy that fishes the N channel that has been busted 3 times for doing it with crappie. If you have 3 DNR violations against you, you should no longer be allowed to get a hunting or fishing license.
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that wouldnt stop him either though bud! breakin the law is still breakin the law, ya know. no hope for those types.
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that wouldnt stop him either though bud! breakin the law is still breakin the law, ya know. no hope for those types.
Probably not, but he is on a first name basis with the CO's by now so if they knew his privileges were pulled and they saw him out there again, they should take his gear and vehicle.
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I do know a couple years ago when fishing up in Michigan 3 of us were fishing and had about 68 gills laying on the ice. When we bagged them up we put them in bags of 25 and each person carried a bag. In the parking lot the CO was there and checked our catch and licenses and specifically said they must be kept separate. Had he come on the ice, one or all 3 of us would have been fined or warned.
I think you would have to catch a CO in a bad mood to write you up for it if he just walked upon 2 guys and they had at or under the 2 man limit and over the 1 man limit, but had them in community pile. He may suggest you separate them, though. However, if he is watching from a far which they often do before approaching, and sees one guy catching 2 to 1 and then checks and you don't have your fish separated you will likely get a warning or fine. In the end it is your word against his in court if you take it that far, but it easier and less expensive to just keep the catch separate. People use a single cooler and livewell all the time, but I think by the letter of the law, one person is not allowed to limit out and then contribute to another person's limit in the same day. I am not sure if the rules for charters are different or not, but anyone who has been on one knows the catch rate is rarely equal among all people on board, so some are contributing to others limits. That would be a good question for the DNR.
I never thought about that either. I am usually accompanied by my son who does not legally have to have a fishing license right now. We have always thrown our fish in the same bucket and never even considered that.
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Unfortunately I am sure some will do exactly that in IN if they pass the law. Heck there is a guy that fishes the N channel that has been busted 3 times for doing it with crappie. If you have 3 DNR violations against you, you should no longer be allowed to get a hunting or fishing license.
Or they need to make it really painful like a bigger fine or jail time. Sounds like a judge needs a little educating.
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In regards to the whole throwing them in the same pile thing.... how are they going to know who caught what unless they are watching you the ENTIRE time.... you can just say you caught 25 and the other person caught 25 and it will not make a difference.... and even if they say they were watching you the entire time they have no proof unless it is recorded so if they can't prove it there is no evidence of who caught what.
I was also told of someone that caught 1600 bluegills on Sacrider near Kendallvile last summer that gave most of the away. Really selfish IMHO as those are fish you and I won't catch some cold day on the ice when the bite is slow.
As regards to this.... We do this with catfish.... When I was younger we would go out and catch Catfish and give them to a older guy who was a family friend because he really liked catfish and we didn't feel like cleaning them that particular night.... Now it wasn't 1600 the entire season probably like 15-20 if it's not going to waste (aka leaving them on the ice) what is the difference if its a REASONABLE AMOUNT? not 1600 obviously
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Hmmmmm odd you would think it would apply then in the summer we throw the crappie into the same live well. Have never had the DNR say anything about it. We also merge salmon and steelhead in the same cooler and just know that per boat what our limit cap is. Even on charters walleye fishing they just count total per head or uses to. Been a long time since I did a walleye charter. Good points though.
On that question they are not exactly counting who caught what. But if my wife is out there reading a book all day. Or I bring 3, 3 year Olds out who don't touch a pole. You better just have a one man limit.
I have never had them question a limit when people in your group are attempting to catch fish and you put your catch together.
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In regards to the whole throwing them in the same pile thing.... how are they going to know who caught what unless they are watching you the ENTIRE time.... you can just say you caught 25 and the other person caught 25 and it will not make a difference.... and even if they say they were watching you the entire time they have no proof unless it is recorded so if they can't prove it there is no evidence of who caught what.
He can write you a ticket because when in a single pile there is no clear way to define who possesses what. The law says or will say 25 fish per person. If he writes the ticket, you either have to pay it, not pay it and have a warrant placed on you or fight it in court, where even if you win you still will have a couple hundred in court costs. It is not worth the hassle and is pretty easy to keep piles separate. Hopefully the first year it goes into effect they will just issue warnings so people get used to keeping catches separate.
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He can write you a ticket because when in a single pile there is no clear way to define who possesses what. The law says or will say 25 fish per person. If he writes the ticket, you either have to pay it, not pay it and have a warrant placed on you or fight it in court, where even if you win you still will have a couple hundred in court costs. It is not worth the hassle and is pretty easy to keep piles separate. Hopefully the first year it goes into effect they will just issue warnings so people get used to keeping catches separate.
Here in NY we always keep the fish in the same pile and the DEC officer comes around and says what'd you guys catch... If you're fishing with someone else and it's obvious who cares who catches how much?.... I'm surprised they are that strict in Indiana and not here in NY cause they will write you for anything they can make up here in NY
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He can write you a ticket because when in a single pile there is no clear way to define who possesses what. The law says or will say 25 fish per person. If he writes the ticket, you either have to pay it, not pay it and have a warrant placed on you or fight it in court, where even if you win you still will have a couple hundred in court costs. It is not worth the hassle and is pretty easy to keep piles separate. Hopefully the first year it goes into effect they will just issue warnings so people get used to keeping catches separate.
Never done this in michigan. But in wisconsin been checked several times and never had a problem. With the separation of fish between the group.
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Never done this in michigan. But in wisconsin been checked several times and never had a problem. With the separation of fish between the group.
I am sure it depends on if the CO wants to enforce the law to the letter or use common sense. I just know what the CO at Juno lake told us when we came off the lake. He said they need to be separate when you are fishing and when you carry them off the ice. I also know I am not going to roll the dice and hope the CO is in a good mood when he shows up. All the times I have been checked on the ice and in the boat, I have found the more your 'stuff' they are interested in is in order, the nicer they are and quicker they move on to someone else.
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As I said earlier. I have only limited out once ever, and that was with crappie. Since there has been no bluegill limits, I have really never given it any thought. If and when the new law goes into effect(which I completely concur with) I will have to change my fishing practices. That is to say, I never in my life have paid much attention to catching gills.
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I don't see it online but did crappie used to have a boat aggregate limit? If aggregate is the right word
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I don't see it online but did crappie used to have a boat aggregate limit? If aggregate is the right word
Not sure what you are asking or if this clears it up, but as long as I can remember Crappie have been 25 per person per day in IN. That does not mean if 2 people are in a boat one can catch 35 and the other 15 to come up with a 2 man limit. Yes it happens all the time, but one person in that case is over his limit by 10 fish. Impossible to enforce unless the CO is watching and counting who is keeping what.
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I thought that a boat used to have a limit regardless of how many people was on it but I've been known to be wrong more than I care to admit. I don't have an old reg book to look it up and I didn't see that to be the case online so I was just checking as I'm sure someone on here would know better than me
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I fish in so many states, it is hard to keep straight, but I believe that bldfrt is correct. I think it used to be 25 crappie limit per person, but 40 or 50 per boat or something like that. I just looked on the DNR website and couldn't find it though.
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I fish in so many states, it is hard to keep straight, but I believe that bldfrt is correct. I think it used to be 25 crappie limit per person, but 40 or 50 per boat or something like that. I just looked on the DNR website and couldn't find it though.
I don't ever recall seeing that type of language in the Indiana rule book. Then again I don't think I have ever crappie fished with more than 2 others in the boat. Are you sure you are not thinking of another state?
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I fish in so many states, it is hard to keep straight, but I believe that bldfrt is correct. I think it used to be 25 crappie limit per person, but 40 or 50 per boat or something like that. I just looked on the DNR website and couldn't find it though.
I don't ever recall seeing a "boat limit" in the Indiana Regs.
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I dont think theres a boat limit either but im sure people do that with lake mich perch
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Yea, I could definitely be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. Must be another state. I remember reading it and thinking it was a pretty good rule.
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Found it, its Mississippi. 15 daily bag limit and 40 daily boat limit for boats with 3 or more anglers. As you probably know, MS really takes good care of their Crappie fisheries, and have 4 of the top 10 crappie fisheries in the US to show for it.
Sorry to muddy the waters, when I saw bldfrt's post it struck a chord with me and knew I had seen it before.
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I dont think theres a boat limit either but im sure people do that with lake mich perch
I would venture to say that people do it everywhere in this state concerning fish that have a bag limit.
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I think people are better off reading the regulation book themselves. Every year I see people state regulations/laws that don't exist.
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I don't think the create printed pamphlets anymore. It think you have to get them online and I don't think they are available until mid March or so.
I think the reason for the licenses to start April 1st is to give a newly elected Governor and state representives time to react before the new license year starts in case they want to make changes. I think the Gov. appoints the DNR head etc., so allowing some transition time and the chance for new ideas before the next license year is probably a good idea.
thanks for the input. sounds logical to me.
and yes they still print the rule books. i get both every year. ill have to start checking to see when they get out.
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no "boat limit" on the books. like bruce stated get and read/interpret the rules for yourself.
as for the pile. im pretty sure its for the law to prove, not the accused. we have never had them say anything about it, yet. in summer there is one cooler of ice in the boat, and it regularly gets filled with 2 or 3 guy's limits.(crappie) seems like all the other boats around us is doing the same thing too.
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I realize that the society we live in today places great emphasis on making law enforcement work as hard as possible to prove their case, but what is so difficult about keeping separate piles of fish? Sure, it may be next to impossible for the CO to prove who caught what, but why even put him/her, yourself through the hassle in the first place?
There won't be an issue if you keep individual groups, so why make things as difficult as you can, just because you can? Why spend time arguing with a CO when you could be fishing? What is the mindset behind doing so? What right has been terribly and unfairly infringed upon by not being able to throw all the fish together on the ice?
Keeping all the fish together in the livewell during warmer months...totally understand that, and I see where some are making the direct comparison to ice fishing. But it's much easier to separate your catch on the ice, so why not do so?
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I don't think it was so much keeping piles on ice separate as it was live well issues or extra coolers with extra bags of ice. I personally see the bull males and sow females becoming the main target though. Catching a 25 limit then bumping the smaller fish out with the bigger fish. Spark you raise fish. What in your opinion would make for giant panfish? I would think slot limits could be the answer...
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If I had to choose one or the other, I would prefer a slot. But that's why blanket regs are such a tough call. The trick with bluegills is to leave the largest size class of males unmolested. But that size is not a constant, and may vary considerably from one lake to another. There's a big difference between big bluegills, and trophy bluegills. If the goal is too simply improve the size classes, which I'm sure is the plan, then in my opinion a protected slot together with a limit would yield the best results IN MOST CASES....again, lots of variables.
By way of example, let's say a lake contains 10" bluegills. My idea would be to limit fish over 10" to one per angler, no fish between 9-10" may be taken, 25 daily limit on 7-9" fish. That's a lot of measuring.
So much depends on fertility of water, cover/structure, (weeds), predator type and density, fishing pressure......difficul t if not impossible to have one plan work for all BOW. This is where private waters can be superior to most public venues. Management can be much more aggressive and specialized.
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I realize that the society we live in today places great emphasis on making law enforcement work as hard as possible to prove their case, but what is so difficult about keeping separate piles of fish? Sure, it may be next to impossible for the CO to prove who caught what, but why even put him/her, yourself through the hassle in the first place?
There won't be an issue if you keep individual groups, so why make things as difficult as you can, just because you can? Why spend time arguing with a CO when you could be fishing? What is the mindset behind doing so? What right has been terribly and unfairly infringed upon by not being able to throw all the fish together on the ice?
Keeping all the fish together in the livewell during warmer months...totally understand that, and I see where some are making the direct comparison to ice fishing. But it's much easier to separate your catch on the ice, so why not do so?
Old habits are hard to break I suppose. I very rarely do it when I am with a "fishing buddy". But when I am with my wife, or my children, we keep them all together.
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its just the way its always been done. i guess if i had to argue, its just more convenient to have one stinky fish cooler. dont think people do it to be difficult as you suggest.
dont think they would hassle anyone unless you had more than the 2 day possession limit. lol unless 26 are still flopping. then you have the old midnight hour debate. on and on and on........... ::)
are there people that have gotten ticketed for this "1 pile" issue on here?
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no "boat limit" on the books. like bruce stated get and read/interpret the rules for yourself.
as for the pile. im pretty sure its for the law to prove, not the accused.
True, but if you get a ticket, right or wrong, you either pay it, ignore it (and get a bench warrant placed on you), or fight it in court. You may win in court, but the court costs are still yours to pay.
Just this past summer a lady my wife works with was fishing with her hubby and they had a sub legal bass in the basket because they gut hooked it and said it was going to die anyway. She got a ticket for it. She forgot about it and did not pay it or show up to plead not guilty and set a court date. They issued a warrant for her. She then found the ticket in her wallet 3 months later, called the court, and they sent cops to her work and arrested her. She spent the rest of the day in the jail getting fingerprints, photos, etc, until she saw the judge and pleaded guilty. She paid the fine on the spot + court costs and it was over 300.00 total. The fine for the sub legal fish was around 100.
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True, but if you get a ticket, right or wrong, you either pay it, ignore it (and get a bench warrant placed on you), or fight it in court. You may win in court, but the court costs are still yours to pay.
Just this past summer a lady my wife works with was fishing with her hubby and they had a sub legal bass in the basket because they gut hooked it and said it was going to die anyway. She got a ticket for it. She forgot about it and did not pay it or show up to plead not guilty and set a court date. They issued a warrant for her. She then found the ticket in her wallet 3 months later, called the court, and they sent cops to her work and arrested her. She spent the rest of the day in the jail getting fingerprints, photos, etc, until she saw the judge and pleaded guilty. She paid the fine on the spot + court costs and it was over 300.00 total. The fine for the sub legal fish was around 100.
What did she plead guilty to?
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Riddle me this. Let's for the sake of argument say that me, waxie, RS, and crappie66 go icefishing together. We get into the crappies and we keep them separated on the ice and each of us limits out. The four of us get back to my truck and throw them all into one container, because the plan is to go back to my house, clean the fish, and have a fish fry. But on the way to my house, I get pulled over and searched. I have 100 crappies in one container and they are in my truck. All 4 of us have valid fishing licenses. What would the CO say about that?
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What did she plead guilty to?
Possession of a sub legal sized bass which is what the ticket was for. Point is, the court costs were 2x what the fine was if she had not forgot about it. Court costs would likely be the same or more if you tried to fight it, that is why it is better to not give them any reason to write you a ticket.
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Riddle me this. Let's for the sake of argument say that me, waxie, RS, and crappie66 go icefishing together. We get into the crappies and we keep them separated on the ice and each of us limits out. The four of us get back to my truck and throw them all into one container, because the plan is to go back to my house, clean the fish, and have a fish fry. But on the way to my house, I get pulled over and searched. I have 100 crappies in one container and they are in my truck. All 4 of us have valid fishing licenses. What would the CO say about that?
Good question...I don't know the answer. I would say if all 4 were in the truck and had valid licenses then he would probably do nothing. If you were alone then you would probably have an issue. The law on crappie says 25 fish per person per day. It is up to the angler to make sure he does not posses more than 25. As an angler I am not sure how you do that when throwing into a community pile. It then becomes a he said, she said issue and I prefer to avoid that when it results in money out of my pocket even if I win. I would send that question to the DNR and have them tell you how the law would be applied in that situation in the truck, on the ice and in a boat.
I know the DNR can be nice and they can be harsh. Had a buddy fishing in IN with his dad they were hole hopping and catching crappie. They both limited out and were just laying the fish on the ice by each hole. When it was time to leave they gathered the fish and walked off. CO was waiting and had them dump their sacks...one had 24 the other 26. The guy with 26 got a ticket for being over the limit. A 2 man limit carried off the ice incorrectly got one of them a 100 dollar fine and they took the 26 crappies!!!
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Riddle me this. Let's for the sake of argument say that me, waxie, RS, and crappie66 go icefishing together. We get into the crappies and we keep them separated on the ice and each of us limits out. The four of us get back to my truck and throw them all into one container, because the plan is to go back to my house, clean the fish, and have a fish fry. But on the way to my house, I get pulled over and searched. I have 100 crappies in one container and they are in my truck. All 4 of us have valid fishing licenses. What would the CO say about that?
You want to be squeaky clean, you make a tag (25 crappies caught at this time and date) just like deer... Names and license numbers of each limit your in possession of, because if the CO doesn't believe you he can go to the others and make sure their not possessing any fish at that time... Which they'll do.
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Riddle me this. Let's for the sake of argument say that me, waxie, RS, and crappie66 go icefishing together. We get into the crappies and we keep them separated on the ice and each of us limits out. The four of us get back to my truck and throw them all into one container, because the plan is to go back to my house, clean the fish, and have a fish fry. But on the way to my house, I get pulled over and searched. I have 100 crappies in one container and they are in my truck. All 4 of us have valid fishing licenses. What would the CO say about that?
Depend on the CO!!
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You want to be squeaky clean, you make a tag (25 crappies caught at this time and date) just like deer... Names and license numbers of each limit your in possession of, because if the CO doesn't believe you he can go to the others and make sure their not possessing any fish at that time... Which they'll do.
for sure!
If you take home somebody else's fish, make sure that you receive a signed note from that person saying that he gave you those fish.
This is what I was told by a CO.
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Possession of a sub legal sized bass which is what the ticket was for. Point is, the court costs were 2x what the fine was if she had not forgot about it. Court costs would likely be the same or more if you tried to fight it, that is why it is better to not give them any reason to write you a ticket.
Understood.
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Good question...I don't know the answer. I would say if all 4 were in the truck and had valid licenses then he would probably do nothing. If you were alone then you would probably have an issue. The law on crappie says 25 fish per person per day. It is up to the angler to make sure he does not posses more than 25. As an angler I am not sure how you do that when throwing into a community pile. It then becomes a he said, she said issue and I prefer to avoid that when it results in money out of my pocket even if I win. I would send that question to the DNR and have them tell you how the law would be applied in that situation in the truck, on the ice and in a boat.
I know the DNR can be nice and they can be harsh. Had a buddy fishing in IN with his dad they were hole hopping and catching crappie. They both limited out and were just laying the fish on the ice by each hole. When it was time to leave they gathered the fish and walked off. CO was waiting and had them dump their sacks...one had 24 the other 26. The guy with 26 got a ticket for being over the limit. A 2 man limit carried off the ice incorrectly got one of them a 100 dollar fine and they took the 26 crappies!!!
It has been a few years, but I did pose the question to a CO. He basically told me/or the way I perceived it was as long as everyone in the vehicle had a valid license nothing would be done.
I also posed the question about live wells. Once again the way I took it was that as long as every member of the boat had a valid license they wouldn't do anything.
Now ice fishing is different from open water fishing. We boat fish and we have people in the vessel. The fish stay in the vessel until the boat is on the trailer and even then can ride in it. We normally walk off the ice and somebody has the catch if it is a "community pile". One guy, pulling his shack, with all the fish.
I know there are a lot of interpretations to the law. Never assume anything......cause you know what that means!
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Great discussion and no offense meant to anymore, but isn't this thread getting to be something like this? ;D
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Great discussion and no offense meant to anymore, but isn't this thread getting to be something like this? ;D
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Camel be good in a smoker?
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Camel be good in a smoker?
why is Abraham Lincoln beating a camel? Did it not tell the truth? ;D
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why is Abraham Lincoln beating a camel? Did it not tell the truth? ;D
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe the the camel cut down a cherry tree?
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Riddle me this. Let's for the sake of argument say that me, waxie, RS, and crappie66 go icefishing together. We get into the crappies and we keep them separated on the ice and each of us limits out. The four of us get back to my truck and throw them all into one container, because the plan is to go back to my house, clean the fish, and have a fish fry. But on the way to my house, I get pulled over and searched. I have 100 crappies in one container and they are in my truck. All 4 of us have valid fishing licenses. What would the CO say about that?
couldnt really say anything till we had 201 crappie in the truck. you are allowed to haul around 50 crappie apiece, until they hit your freezer.
another wrinkle:
what if they all came from a private lake and we had 500 crappie? lmao we still wouldnt be breaking any law.
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couldnt really say anything till we had 201 crappie in the truck. you are allowed to haul around 50 crappie apiece, until they hit your freezer.
another wrinkle:
what if they all came from a private lake and we had 500 crappie? lmao we still wouldnt be breaking any law.
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Private lake? Now that is a different can of spikes!!!!!!!!!! LOL
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Good question...I don't know the answer. I would say if all 4 were in the truck and had valid licenses then he would probably do nothing. If you were alone then you would probably have an issue. The law on crappie says 25 fish per person per day. It is up to the angler to make sure he does not posses more than 25. As an angler I am not sure how you do that when throwing into a community pile. It then becomes a he said, she said issue and I prefer to avoid that when it results in money out of my pocket even if I win. I would send that question to the DNR and have them tell you how the law would be applied in that situation in the truck, on the ice and in a boat.
I know the DNR can be nice and they can be harsh. Had a buddy fishing in IN with his dad they were hole hopping and catching crappie. They both limited out and were just laying the fish on the ice by each hole. When it was time to leave they gathered the fish and walked off. CO was waiting and had them dump their sacks...one had 24 the other 26. The guy with 26 got a ticket for being over the limit. A 2 man limit carried off the ice incorrectly got one of them a 100 dollar fine and they took the 26 crappies!
And I wonder what they did with the 26 crappie
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No idea but my guess is the took them for evidence. Same they do with someone caught poaching a deer. They don't let you keep the game if taken illegally. I believe they donate the deer to be processed and given to shelters. Not sure if they do the same with the fish or not after photos are taken.
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Yes I assume the same, hopefully they went to some good use
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No idea but my guess is the took them for evidence. Same they do with someone caught poaching a deer. They don't let you keep the game if taken illegally. I believe they donate the deer to be processed and given to shelters. Not sure if they do the same with the fish or not after photos are taken.
That is my understanding as well.
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Riddle me this. Let's for the sake of argument say that me, waxie, RS, and crappie66 go icefishing together. We get into the crappies and we keep them separated on the ice and each of us limits out. The four of us get back to my truck and throw them all into one container, because the plan is to go back to my house, clean the fish, and have a fish fry. But on the way to my house, I get pulled over and searched. I have 100 crappies in one container and they are in my truck. All 4 of us have valid fishing licenses. What would the CO say about that?
I would have to ask why are you stealing fish from my pile. We know you can't limit out.
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I would have to ask why are you stealing fish from my pile. We know you can't limit out.
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I would have to ask why are you stealing fish from my pile. We know you can't limit out.
LMAO....... I wasn't taking them from yours. I was stealing them from waxworm's! Your pile was nothing but dinks! ;) Boiler up!
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LMAO....... I wasn't taking them from yours. I was stealing them from waxworm's! Your pile was nothing but dinks! ;) Boiler up!
If you were taking the larger ones, those are the ones I stole from Riverscum's pile each time he went to check his :tipup: ;D
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If you were taking the larger ones, those are the ones I stole from Riverscum's pile each time he went to check his :tipup: ;D
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
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Funny stuff..
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Meanwhile Waxie is taking RS's, Rico was taking Waxies, and while Rico was gone I was taking Rico's stones and sharing them with Slab and Blue :roflmao:
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Meanwhile Waxie is taking RS's, Rico was taking Waxies, and while Rico was gone I was taking Rico's stones and sharing them with Slab and Blue :roflmao:
You must of been hard up to swipe stones . :sick: but to tell you the truth is not that is bad beer I just can't seam to drink something that has the same name as the place I work .
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If you were taking the larger ones, those are the ones I stole from Riverscum's pile each time he went to check his :tipup: ;D
River scums 25th was probably on his tip up
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Meanwhile Waxie is taking RS's, Rico was taking Waxies, and while Rico was gone I was taking Rico's stones and sharing them with Slab and Blue :roflmao:
That explains everything. I never could figure out why I would go out with a case...drink a few.......and they were all of the sudden gone. The box would be empty and everybody around would have a smile on their face. I always chalked it up to that case I drank before I got on the ice!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Meanwhile Waxie is taking RS's, Rico was taking Waxies, and while Rico was gone I was taking Rico's stones and sharing them with Slab and Blue :roflmao:
Stones for the Shiners! :afro: :thumbsup: :tipup:
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man, ill have to start sacking mine up in the shanty now just because of this thread! pile problem solved.
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man, ill have to start sacking mine up in the shanty now just because of this thread! pile problem solved.
That may be, but what the heck do I do about my beer pile? ;D
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That explains everything. I never could figure out why I would go out with a case...drink a few.......and they were all of the sudden gone. The box would be empty and everybody around would have a smile on their face. I always chalked it up to that case I drank before I got on the ice!!!!!!!!!! ;D
You didn't make that Keystone Reef by just drinking a few. C'MON MAN.
That may be, but what the heck do I do about my beer pile? ;D
Your pile got divided up between the Shiners really isint that much of a pile anymore :roflmao:
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!! Building a reef only takes a few. About 30 years worth I would say! As far as my beer stash, I am gonna watch it like a hawk now!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bring on the sunfish limit!
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Bring on the sunfish limit!
I have no problem with it whatsoever.