I started using 10 - 14 inch menominee on one tip each time I have gone out this year and the second half of last (60-100days). I have now iced 14 northerns over 12 lbs, two of which were 20+. I am using quick strike rigs and soaking each menom in Dr. Juice Musky/Pike scent gel. I usually set them half way down in the water column in 15-20 feet. Give it a try and hold on.