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Title: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Squidy on Feb 23, 2018, 11:19 AM
For those interested, there will be an organized protest to the off shore drilling proposal
Maine civic center Augusta Maine March 7th 3PM
 
https://ignite.biologicaldiversity.org/event/action/316?source=website&akid=

Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: woodchip on Feb 23, 2018, 03:28 PM
If they want fuel they should start taping the Methane gas from our land fills and start protecting our water table!!!!
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: swnoel on Feb 23, 2018, 04:46 PM
For those interested, there will be an organized protest to the off shore drilling proposal
Maine civic center Augusta Maine March 7th 3PM
 
https://ignite.biologicaldiversity.org/event/action/316?source=website&akid=

Who's drilling offshore?
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: GasBlaster on Feb 23, 2018, 07:25 PM
Drill baby drill . Chuck a windmill on top of that rig and kill 2 birds with 1 stone .
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: woodchip on Feb 23, 2018, 07:34 PM
All the Methane rising into the air from the land fills which is puloting the atmosphere  and draining crap into the water table and killing our fish  and bringing all this unstable climate change. and they all want to spend money on windmills and solar panels.
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: gunn308 on Feb 23, 2018, 09:34 PM
Waste Management generates from the methane in Hampden
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Feb 24, 2018, 05:18 AM
Drill baby drill . Chuck a windmill on top of that rig and kill 2 birds with 1 stone .
Had to look.... So, Given your logic, it would appear that, from a natural progression of cognition, you ar enow a wind power over solar supporter, at least for the avian component.  ;D

It concluded, "Wind farms and nuclear power stations are responsible each for between 0.3 and 0.4 fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while fossil-fuelled power stations are responsible for about 5.2 fatalities per GWh.”

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-06-farms-bird-slayers-theyre-behere.html#jCp


"Either way, the results show that even with high-range estimates for renewables compared to low-range estimates for fossil fuels, fossil fuels are responsible for far more bird fatalities than solar or wind.”  https://thinkprogress.org/chart-how-many-birds-are-killed-by-wind-solar-oil-and-coal-230d2a939bbb/
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: GRGS on Feb 24, 2018, 05:36 AM
I wonder how many birds are killed by fossil fuel vehicles every year.
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: grub662 on Feb 24, 2018, 09:05 AM
Had to look.... So, Given your logic, it would appear that, from a natural progression of cognition, you ar enow a wind power over solar supporter, at least for the avian component.  ;D

It concluded, "Wind farms and nuclear power stations are responsible each for between 0.3 and 0.4 fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while fossil-fuelled power stations are responsible for about 5.2 fatalities per GWh.”

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-06-farms-bird-slayers-theyre-behere.html#jCp


"Either way, the results show that even with high-range estimates for renewables compared to low-range estimates for fossil fuels, fossil fuels are responsible for far more bird fatalities than solar or wind.”  https://thinkprogress.org/chart-how-many-birds-are-killed-by-wind-solar-oil-and-coal-230d2a939bbb/

Copy and Paste liberal BS.
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Feb 24, 2018, 05:37 PM
Copy and Paste liberal BS.
Copy and Paste liberal BS.

Read, cross-referenced, noted and explored references and actual studies, THEN quoted definitive passages which are copied and pasted here. I don’t know your attention span, Rusty. While it seems limited, you might try to do your homework before posting shallow derisive remarks on a sincerely intended thread. Read the articles.There are many with vetted and proven studies. They all come up with the same result. The only thing most mention is the variety of protocol and data used to compile a resultative picture.  Explore data on your own, if you are capable of cognizance.  ;D

I’m guessing you don’t have the patience to learn anything. I know there are big words and phrases here. Probably make you a little dizzy.... more than you usually are.  :roflmao:

Be well, old boy.  ;D :thumbsup: :icefish:
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Mar 07, 2018, 05:01 AM

"Maine state and federal lawmakers have passed resolutions calling on Trump to leave Maine out of his plan.

“So much of our state’s economy and tens of thousands of Maine jobs along our coast depend on our marine and tourism industries,” said Republican U.S. Rep. Bruce Poliquin.”

http://bangordailynews.com/2018/03/04/news/state/fishermen-environmentalists-to-blast-offshore-drilling-plan/
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: swnoel on Mar 07, 2018, 05:24 AM
No one says they'll be drilling off the coast... this only releases the handcuffs past liberal administrations put this country in! Something President Trump promised to the people. It will be the states rights to allow or deny any potential drilling. The liberals in denial of their loss in 2016 need to get in control of their obviously mental breakdown. I don't need them to tell me what's best for me!
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: pegasus on Mar 07, 2018, 06:53 AM
There was a show on PBS of a Japanese vet who is trying to save their eagle population. He said that during the life span of a windmill it will be responsible for an estimated 50 deaths of the eagles let alone other birds. It's funny what is allowable when you support a cause. Almost like when politicians are against guns but have armed bodyguards. China is starting to map the oceans for raw materials. 
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Moosemonster on Mar 07, 2018, 07:17 AM
I have a very serious question here....

What the Hell does this have to do with Ice Fishing??   ;D
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Mar 07, 2018, 07:24 AM
There was a show on PBS of a Japanese vet who is trying to save their eagle population. He said that during the life span of a windmill it will be responsible for an estimated 50 deaths of the eagles let alone other birds. It's funny what is allowable when you support a cause. Almost like when politicians are against guns but have armed bodyguards. China is starting to map the oceans for raw materials.

It is funny what yo are blind to when you support an ideology. Science and data come first to mind. It is also funny how ideology can blind one to the reality we live in for the sake of the few at the top $ land. :)

"China is starting to map the oceans for raw materials.” Yep as anthropogenic climate change open up vast areas previously icebound. Even our military recognizes this as the right wing denies facts on the ground...... AND as we enter another year of record planetary temps.... :woot: :whistle: :cookoo: :icefish:

Given improved wind and solar tech over the years and going forward, bird kills were, are and shall be overwhelmingly less in net bird deaths than other power generating and antiquated “technologies” .

As I posted above: Had to look.... So, Given your logic, it would appear that, from a natural progression of cognition, you ar enow a wind power over solar supporter, at least for the avian component.  ;D

It concluded, "Wind farms and nuclear power stations are responsible each for between 0.3 and 0.4 fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while fossil-fuelled power stations are responsible for about 5.2 fatalities per GWh.”

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-06-farms-bird-slayers-theyre-behere.html#jCp


"Either way, the results show that even with high-range estimates for renewables compared to low-range estimates for fossil fuels, fossil fuels are responsible for far more bird fatalities than solar or wind.”  https://thinkprogress.org/chart-how-many-birds-are-killed-by-wind-solar-oil-and-coal-230d2a939bbb/
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: woodchip on Mar 07, 2018, 09:48 AM
Wind towers I have been up in a wind tower and the blades are so long they seem to travel at a slow rate. I find it hard to believe birds get hit . I would like to compare numbers of birds kill by motor vehicles , as to numbers killed by windmills!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: pegasus on Mar 07, 2018, 02:34 PM
It was on PBS, one of the most liberal station in America. You can find it easily on line. China is mapping all the oceans not just that which is under the ice. There was a study done on which is the most value for the buck and more energy for less man hours. Guess what, wind power and solar power are last on the list of being efficient. Just like ice fishing opinions, some people like suckers and others like smelts while fishing for touge. 
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: gunn308 on Mar 07, 2018, 08:38 PM
Hey Joe, It is funny what yo are blind to when you support an ideology. Hey Joe keep it up and our beautiful state will be a windfarm for the whole eastern seaboard WHUP WHUP WHUP.
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Mar 08, 2018, 05:28 AM
It was on PBS, one of the most liberal station in America. 

Most unbiased and most factual. They put the effort in to make that so AND the more factual the less right wing a media outlet becomes form the rights perspective.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-biased-is-your-news-source-you-probably-wont-agree-with-this-chart-2018-02-28?mod=mw_share_facebook

 ;D ;) :icefish:
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Mar 08, 2018, 05:37 AM
Wind towers I have been up in a wind tower and the blades are so long they seem to travel at a slow rate. I find it hard to believe birds get hit . I would like to compare numbers of birds kill by motor vehicles , as to numbers killed by windmills!!!!!!!!!!

This whole bird thing is a BIG FAT RED HERRING that is bait for the hungry deniers. @)

Looked it up.... Typed cats to cars first.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/09/15/wind-turbines-kill-fewer-birds-than-cell-towers-cats/15683843/

Here you go.

(https://i.imgur.com/ssOrWYt.jpg)

http://www.sibleyguides.com/conservation/causes-of-bird-mortality/
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: GasBlaster on Mar 08, 2018, 06:53 AM
This whole bird thing is a BIG FAT RED HERRING that is bait for the hungry deniers. @)

Looked it up.... Typed cats to cars first.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/09/15/wind-turbines-kill-fewer-birds-than-cell-towers-cats/15683843/

Here you go.

(https://i.imgur.com/ssOrWYt.jpg)

http://www.sibleyguides.com/conservation/causes-of-bird-mortality/


Tilted scale !!  68 million feral cats in us . 268.8 million cars registered in 2016 .    52000 wildmills .   Now wonder the relatively  small number of windmills kill less. 
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Mar 08, 2018, 08:28 AM
Tilted scale !!  68 million feral cats in us . 268.8 million cars registered in 2016 .    52000 wildmills .   Now wonder the relatively  small number of windmills kill less.

I know a lot of guys advocate hunting coyotes because they kill deer. It appears, in that vain of thought or logic, feral cats need a good culling open season. At least coyotes are native species. HAHA! Dear GB, I don’t disagree wind turbines kill birds. Didn’t realize they killed bats too. Apparently some bat species are attracted to them.  In any case, bird deaths from windmills pale to near invisibiilty to the many other causes. Meanwhile the wind industry has made major improvements in avian mortality rates since the beginning of the technology. This progress will continue. Mortality will remain unabated in the other cases. That being said, even ten times the existing wind turbines now in place would still be no were near the deaths caused just by cats. At the same time as we generate more power form renewable energy sources the environment will be more friendly to all creatures and habitats which will in turn be good for fishing.  ;D ;) :icefish:

"Vertical axis wind turbines (VAWT) are thought to not only improve wind energy harvested per square meter but also reduce bird deaths by reducing the special impact of the turbines on bird habitats. They also have blades that are located closer together and travel at the same linear and angular velocities, making every blade section more similarly apparent for birds to see. By better understanding how and what birds in flight can see visually, this project can create specific turbine design rules for maximizing avian turbine visual awareness and collision avoidance.”
https://woods.stanford.edu/research/realizing-environmental-innovation-program/bird-safe-wind-turbines

Work being done..... https://grist.org/climate-energy/for-the-birds-and-the-bats-8-ways-wind-power-companies-are-trying-to-prevent-deadly-collisions/

"The estimate, and conclusions, don’t let wind turbines off the hook. And with recent rulings to try and protect certain species from the spinning blades, the scrutiny will probably continue when it comes to bird deaths due to wind power. But at least now there’s a scientifically derived number for those deaths.
Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-many-birds-do-wind-turbines-really-kill-180948154/#DLdJ3uol2jUIMguD.99
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Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: woodchip on Mar 08, 2018, 09:59 AM
clamfarmer  Thanks for the chart and good links. I sure plan to pass them around. A good day sitting here jigging                inside with my coffee cup  only snow around here is everywhere!!!!!!! Probably get out on tractor in another hour.
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: zwiggles on Mar 08, 2018, 10:30 AM
Don’t birds of prey (eagles) look down at the ground for prey when they are cruising up high in the sky? I thought this was the reasoning for turbines killing a lot more birds of prey then say a sparrow or chickadee?

The chart provided is very broad, and not particular to one kind of bird. A lot of ground nesting birds get whacked by cats. I was told this is the reason the whiporwhil, among other species, is no longer prevelant in the seacoast of NH. Urban sprawl led to more homes and more cats, and less ground nesting birds.

I will try to find the articles I had read in the past about birds of prey being much more succeptible to wind farms than other birds. The stuff I had read was from about ten years ago when I lived in Washington state, and may have been proven to be wrong or may have just been political propaganda.  Anyone else heard of this?

Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: zwiggles on Mar 08, 2018, 10:36 AM
http://savetheeaglesinternational.org/new/us-windfarms-kill-10-20-times-more-than-previously-thought.html

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160929143808.htm

Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: GasBlaster on Mar 08, 2018, 10:50 AM
Oh bats to . Wow I didn't even think of bats . Good point and few less cats wouldn't hurt my feelings any .
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: woodchip on Mar 09, 2018, 06:38 AM
Samset: Yes, it turns out we have actually been helping ourselves — we’ve been polluting ourselves toward a slightly cooler climate, we’ve been mitigating climate change through pollution.
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Mar 09, 2018, 06:43 AM
HERE’S SOMETHING!

Windmills can help remove dams! More Solar power too!

"Dam-building for electrical generation and water storage from the 1930s blocked winter-run Chinook from upstream waterways, cutting their numbers from nearly a million to a few thousand barely getting by in warm downstream stretches of the Sacramento River, the state Department of Fish and Wildlife says.”

https://www.sfgate.com/news/science/article/California-salmon-will-have-places-to-chill-with-12739482.php
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Mar 10, 2018, 05:47 AM
Check this one out!!

Stream turbine


Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: swnoel on Mar 10, 2018, 06:36 AM
Check this one out!!

Stream turbine


Quite a gimmick... makes you feel all tingly inside but its practicality is useless! I'm sure there are other energy sources that could change the world, but  would mean independence from providers. Resulting in mass unemployment.
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Mar 10, 2018, 07:16 AM
Quite a gimmick... makes you feel all tingly inside but its practicality is useless! I'm sure there are other energy sources that could change the world, but  would mean independence from providers. Resulting in mass unemployment.
Yeah, "independence from providers” is what scares them to death. It would actually mean many more jobs, including in manufacturing and infrastructure. The issue, The Real ISSUE, is the money stream becomes diverse, in a real capitistalist  way.  ;D Just solar installations would be HUGE.! Under water turbines like that wouldn’t kill fish either!
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: woodchip on Mar 10, 2018, 08:12 AM
on one of those sites they show a gravity feed generator,pretty interesting maybe at camp
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: gunn308 on Mar 15, 2018, 07:29 PM
Stop the subsidies for all forms of manufactured energy and see who is left standing and producing.
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Mar 18, 2018, 05:42 AM
Stop the subsidies for all forms of manufactured energy and see who is left standing and producing.

“ IEA position on subsidies[edit]
According to International Energy Agency (IEA) (2011) energy subsidies artificially lower the price of energy paid by consumers, raise the price received by producers or lower the cost of production. "Fossil fuels subsidies costs generally outweigh the benefits. Subsidies to renewables and low-carbon energy technologies can bring long-term economic and environmental benefits".[20] In November 2011, an IEA report entitled Deploying Renewables 2011 said "subsidies in green energy technologies that were not yet competitive are justified in order to give an incentive to investing into technologies with clear environmental and energy security benefits". The IEA's report disagreed with claims that renewable energy technologies are only viable through costly subsidies and not able to produce energy reliably to meet demand. "A portfolio of renewable energy technologies is becoming cost-competitive in an increasingly broad range of circumstances, in some cases providing investment opportunities without the need for specific economic support," the IEA said, and added that "cost reductions in critical technologies, such as wind and solar, are set to continue."[21]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_subsidies
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Mar 18, 2018, 05:51 AM
Stop the subsidies for all forms of manufactured energy and see who is left standing and producing.

Might be a good idea, then Germany and China will really kick in in the renewable energy market and US renewables companies will gain more market share as fossil fuel costs go through the roof.

“Energy subsidies may be direct cash transfers to producers, consumers, or related bodies, as well as indirect support mechanisms, such as tax exemptions and rebates, price controls, trade restrictions, and limits on market access. They may also include energy conservation subsidies.[2] The development of today's major modern energy industries have all relied on substantial subsidy support.

Global fossil fuel subsidies represented 6.5% of global GDP in 2015.[3] The elimination of these subsidies is widely seen as one of the most effective ways of reducing global carbon emissions.[3][4][5][6]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_subsidies


Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: swnoel on Mar 18, 2018, 06:04 AM
Yeah, "independence from providers” is what scares them to death. It would actually mean many more jobs, including in manufacturing and infrastructure. The issue, The Real ISSUE, is the money stream becomes diverse, in a real capitistalist  way.  ;D Just solar installations would be HUGE.! Under water turbines like that wouldn’t kill fish either!
Anything allowed to the public is NOT independence and only those things that allow for the status quote will ever be released. Solar is a joke and is as antiquated source as is coal , nuclear, and fossil fuels! The real technologies would result in the collapse of our social system leading to millions of unemployed people throughout the globe! Technology is not being replaced by humans but by robots...
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Mar 18, 2018, 07:32 AM
Anything allowed to the public is NOT independence and only those things that allow for the status quote will ever be released. Solar is a joke and is as antiquated source as is coal , nuclear, and fossil fuels! The real technologies would result in the collapse of our social system leading to millions of unemployed people throughout the globe! Technology is not being replaced by humans but by robots...

HAHA! Thoughtful planned transition is the real answer for bringing what you call “The real technologies” to the fore. The issue remains who profits and who serves. I live off the grid. Just built my new house and will be fully solar powered by summer. 12 panels and 40 batteries along with a 10Kw inverter. I have to get the house wired, but that is the same expense as any house.  ;D :icefish: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Fishanything on Mar 18, 2018, 02:27 PM
Grew up in Texas.  Theres more to the story than just unsightly rigs (if they are even visible from the beach).  They leak oil and quite a bit.  Even if its not big enough to make the news, its there.  You get tar washing up on your beaches and it sticks to everything!  They even sell special packets of “tar off” to remove the stuff when you invariably get it on your feet.  I personally dont want that in Maine and dont know of anyone who does, even if it does create s few jobs. 

Lets be real about this.  Putting rigs off our coast is a risk.  I invest, like most on this board do.  The question is, what return do we get on our risk?  Slightly lower gas prices? More $$ in the pockets of oil companies and execs?  If they are going to put our beaches, our fish, and our ecosystems at risk, then what do WE as Mainers get out of it?  More jobs?  How many, and what kind?  I think there's now a lot of people in the Dakatas that would have happily passed on the kinds of jobs (and employees) that the oil companies brought to their state.  Im not saying “no rigs”, but the payoff better be damn good.  These rigs bring a lot more problems and a lot less benefit than proponants on this thread are making them out to be.  Make the return good, and ill be okay with the rigs, but it had better be damn good AND tangible to the every day Mainer.  100 more jobs for the state doesn't come close to cutting it.  Nor do lower gas prices.  Another important question is: if profit is made by drilling off maines coast, who gets it and how much of that profit will be reinvested in Maine?
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: gunn308 on Mar 18, 2018, 07:39 PM
 Another important question is: if profit is made by drilling off maines coast, who gets it and how much of that profit will be reinvested in Maine? This is the problem I have with the wind mills and if it wasn't for the subsidies they would not be profitable enough to attract investors.
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Fishanything on Mar 18, 2018, 09:43 PM
Oil companies dont get subsidies?
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Mar 19, 2018, 05:52 AM
Another important question is: if profit is made by drilling off maines coast, who gets it and how much of that profit will be reinvested in Maine? This is the problem I have with the wind mills and if it wasn't for the subsidies they would not be profitable enough to attract investors.
Investers are interested in post development profits, seeing the potential in future progress i renewable tech. A single computer used to take up a city block. Now you hold a more powerful one in your hand. Get over it Jerry!
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: swnoel on Mar 19, 2018, 06:57 AM
Grew up in Texas.  Theres more to the story than just unsightly rigs (if they are even visible from the beach).  They leak oil and quite a bit.  Even if its not big enough to make the news, its there.  You get tar washing up on your beaches and it sticks to everything!  They even sell special packets of “tar off” to remove the stuff when you invariably get it on your feet.  I personally dont want that in Maine and dont know of anyone who does, even if it does create s few jobs. 

Lets be real about this.  Putting rigs off our coast is a risk.  I invest, like most on this board do.  The question is, what return do we get on our risk?  Slightly lower gas prices? More $$ in the pockets of oil companies and execs?  If they are going to put our beaches, our fish, and our ecosystems at risk, then what do WE as Mainers get out of it?  More jobs?  How many, and what kind?  I think there's now a lot of people in the Dakatas that would have happily passed on the kinds of jobs (and employees) that the oil companies brought to their state.  Im not saying “no rigs”, but the payoff better be damn good.  These rigs bring a lot more problems and a lot less benefit than proponants on this thread are making them out to be.  Make the return good, and ill be okay with the rigs, but it had better be damn good AND tangible to the every day Mainer.  100 more jobs for the state doesn't come close to cutting it.  Nor do lower gas prices.  Another important question is: if profit is made by drilling off maines coast, who gets it and how much of that profit will be reinvested in Maine?


If you really want to get "real", government gets the biggest profits per gallon than anyone!! Just like the tobacco industry... why do you think they're still around? It's not because it's good for you! Every industry is in bed with government, don't let anyone try to sugar coat the facts! Whether you like it or not, the fact is clear that that gallon of oil has produced millions of dollars in wealth for many people!
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: MGK on Mar 19, 2018, 07:56 AM
Everyone uses fuel but no one wants to allow them to drill for it. "Let's use windmills and solar panel" both consume huge amounts of fossil fuels to build, transport, install, and maintain. And then I see these "stream turbine" which have been pushed by the the same people who want dams torn down to bring back "natural rivers". Makes your scratch your head
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: lowaccord66 on Mar 19, 2018, 08:31 AM
Ice fishing.   ;D
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: GasBlaster on Mar 19, 2018, 10:00 AM
  The fish love them

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26375-fish-love-skyscraper-style-living-under-oil-platforms/
Title: Re: Gulf of Maine oil drilling protest
Post by: Anomaly on Mar 20, 2018, 07:00 AM
Everyone uses fuel but no one wants to allow them to drill for it. "Let's use windmills and solar panel" both consume huge amounts of fossil fuels to build, transport, install, and maintain. And then I see these "stream turbine" which have been pushed by the the same people who want dams torn down to bring back "natural rivers". Makes your scratch your head

Good point and well taken! Using oil as a bridge is the idea. Use it to manufacture to tools of the future.. Then put it on the shelf to be used for many more hundreds of years to facilitate progressive development of state of the art techs as they become discovered, invented and put to use. Yeah! Oil is a good tool! Let’s keep it around to use for R & D and manufacturing the better and sustainable future!!!

A quick case in point, Matt. My solar panels and batteries were made with the use of fossil fuels. Got at least the next 10 years these will charge my LX7 and Showdown batteries, run all  the electric in my house and use no fossil fuels for the life of the system. In 10 years the tech will have further advanced as well.  ;D :thumbsup: :woot: :icefish: