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Vermont => Ice Fishing Vermont => Topic started by: shaunbolio25 on Jan 08, 2013, 12:37 PM
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I am a twenty five year old avid fisherman from the Northeast Kingdom who is very concerned. We pay alot of money each year and yet still stumped on how we used to have tons of Walleyes and now we cant get any. I fish not only for the sport and the fun but the good eaten. I was under the assumption that a portion of our license fees were an investment for better quality fishing in the future. Now the Clyde River and Magog are marked with regulation signs about Walleye. I have spent all kinds of money and have yet to hook one. Where did they go? Thats right BALD HILL HATCHERY and they all go to CHAMPLAIN. When will the truck stop locally. We even truck them to MINNESOTA, but not Newport Vermont. When will we be heard? It was a tradition when I was a boy to fish eyes at night. We had fun and good frys. But now all I have is stories for my eight year old. Please fill me in if my contribution isnt big enough or is not loyal enough for an answer, or if we should keep paying for new trucks for the Wardens.
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I'm sure the "authorities" can give you an answer strewn with facts and figures that they claim why they have been doing what they were doing is in the "best interest" of the state.
What they won't tell you is that the "best interest" of the state is THEM!
If Vermont is anything like other Northeastern states, you see a lot of flagrant waste of funds on what they claim are neccesary luxuries.
They need a new truck because the old one (probably a few years old) doesn't have GPS and satellite radio.
They need to ship a good portion of the fish stock (that you paid for) to another state to repay a debt (that had NOTHING to do with the F&G business)
They need to hire new "officers" because some local politician's brothers' wife's uncle's grandson needs a job to saty out on parole,
I'm sure you can find some equally repugnant reasons and examples as well.
The bottom line is that since your license and permit fees generally pay their salary, they SHOULD be accountable to you/the public for thier actions.
That doesn't mean they will comply, though.
I hope my presumptions are wrong, but my past experience has taught me the ugly truth.
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Its not right. We should be heard. If there gonna continue to raise prices they had better start explaining. We should have a right to know where this is going and have a say or they should not be allowed to up prices or make any adjustments. We have to stand our grounds.
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You guys realize that the state does not even keep
Access areas plowed out?
If its plowed its because either the town is doing it or a
Ice fisherman is doing it.
Next time you use an access take a minute and
Think about it.
Chances are you would not be able to fish it because
There would be no place to park.
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I feel your pain on the walleye thing. i use to hear stories about my grandfather and how many walleyes he use to bring home from Champlain, and now, all i hear is stories of how great the fishery use to be. i would love to see a place like maygog have a healthy population of walleye . i fish up there 4-5 times a year and i drive 3 hours from Rutland, vt to do it, because i love that lake
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Shaunbolio25: Just because the cost for a season pass to enjoy our great state's hunting and fishing went up a few bucks is no reason to crap on the state for your inability to catch walleye.
It takes time for issues to arise then develop solutions. If there is a walleye problem and the state is imposing some regulation to try and deal with the issue I don't understand why the frustration.
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lav have you fished in vermont lately? the fishing nearly sucks every where you go! Fishing use to be much better and is much better in many states, yea yea go ahead and tell me "then why dont you move there" thats fine. but the fact is we pay a licence fee for this, a licence fee for that, and a licence fee for something else and regardless if they go up or they go down, thing should be improving not getting worse!
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i agree completely with the walleye argument that they should stock them and reintroduce them to places that once held them. I remember driving past lake eden once and was told that there once was walleye in there but they were fished out and instead of replacing them they placed trout in instead of walleye which I found confusing since stocked trout never actually really last long and they don't reproduce.
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one of my pet peeves are the crappy boat launches, most of them are so filledin all they are good for are the yuppy kayaks!
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I symphaize with everyone's frustrations and concerns, but what we fail to acknowledge is our cooperation with the biologist and game wardens is imperative to make it a cohesive network of concerned anglers and educated purveyors of our sport. We all recall and listen to fishing exploits of yesteryears but that was a generation where fisherman, in large part, depended on a full creel to feed their family and neglect sportsman like conduct. We, the fisherman have all contributed to bringing fisheries to the brink, with over fishing and thinking that just because it states the maximum limit in the law book is something we need to achieve, out of ego not hunger or necessity! To look at the decline in vermonts lakes, streams, and ponds we need only look in the mirror to see the culprit. Progress and reversing the damage of a inferior fishery starts with us! Reducing the amount we take home, selectively harvesting larger fish or taking a picture instead, volunteering time to trout unlimited or other like minded organizations, these are simple steps to preserve and enhance fishing, not complain when you discuss the cause when you chastise the game wardens. We all need to practice better stewardship to keep our fish population in check and give it a chance to rebound. I welcome all rebuttals everyone has a opinion and this is mine
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I symphaize with everyone's frustrations and concerns, but what we fail to acknowledge is our cooperation with the biologist and game wardens is imperative to make it a cohesive network of concerned anglers and educated purveyors of our sport. We all recall and listen to fishing exploits of yesteryears but that was a generation where fisherman, in large part, depended on a full creel to feed their family and neglect sportsman like conduct. We, the fisherman have all contributed to bringing fisheries to the brink, with over fishing and thinking that just because it states the maximum limit in the law book is something we need to achieve, out of ego not hunger or necessity! To look at the decline in vermonts lakes, streams, and ponds we need only look in the mirror to see the culprit. Progress and reversing the damage of a inferior fishery starts with us! Reducing the amount we take home, selectively harvesting larger fish or taking a picture instead, volunteering time to trout unlimited or other like minded organizations, these are simple steps to preserve and enhance fishing, not complain when you discuss the cause when you chastise the game wardens. We all need to practice better stewardship to keep our fish population in check and give it a chance to rebound. I welcome all rebuttals everyone has a opinion and this is mine
very well put!
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I think our money just went to the stupid 3 million roundabout the state paid for in my town what a waste
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it sucks this state should have a great wallie fishery they should put them in semour willabe echo casbi all the big lakes that hold tons of smelt they would never hurt the laker population just about every lake in canada has wallie and lakers we have to many deep lakes going to waste. the state should make a wallie program
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I see the frustration. At least you guys have some walleye and though a lot goes into Champlain, it's an awesome fishery. In nh, all we have is winni. Can't keep salmon in winter, almost no pike except the river. Walleye don't exist except the river. And our instate price is 35$ so they can through salmon in Winnie and put trout in the stocker ponds. Maybe it's worse than what I experience but if it weren't for the conn river, I wouldn't be too excited at all about nh and would probably just fish vt. Just a different view-
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it sucks this state should have a great wallie fishery they should put them in semour willabe echo casbi all the big lakes that hold tons of smelt they would never hurt the laker population just about every lake in canada has wallie and lakers we have to many deep lakes going to waste. the state should make a wallie program
So we need another invasive species to fix the problem? They make their way into enough bodies of water without legal help. Its thoughts like this that have people fishing for pike in Memphremagog now, largemouth bass in Lake Carmi, and alewives in Lake Champlain just to name a few examples.
Part of the reason that so much effort goes into Champlain is because it undoubtedly receives the most fishing pressure and its watershed covers most of the state. The other little hole in the wall ponds make very little sense to stock and such if someone is going to go there with their kids to "catch fish like grandpa" and haul in 5 limits of salmon or walleyes over and over, or someone decides "Hmmm, I think there should be crappie in here." The fish stocked in the lake have a much greater chance of survival in a larger body of water.
I have no problem catching decent numbers of quality fish year after year. I think many of you are probably fishing your grandfather's old honey holes and such, expecting the same results as the old photographs. Do you think those trophies and full stringers were caught every day? I sure hope you don't. Don't forget that lakes and ponds are AQUATIC ECOSYSTEMS. They aren't static, but rather subject to constant change, and fishing no doubt is a major factor affecting them. Try fishing somewhere else on the lake sometime, go out and look for the fish you want. You may be surprised at what you'll find. Well, I'm done pissing into the wind on the internet and trying to change the world with a few keystrokes, time to go fish for brook trout in Norton Pond... ::)
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i happen to like the fishing in this state. can't comment on the walleye thing, there are none around my area and it doesn't bother me a bit, i just fish to fish and i have fun doing it!
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I symphaize with everyone's frustrations and concerns, but what we fail to acknowledge is our cooperation with the biologist and game wardens is imperative to make it a cohesive network of concerned anglers and educated purveyors of our sport. We all recall and listen to fishing exploits of yesteryears but that was a generation where fisherman, in large part, depended on a full creel to feed their family and neglect sportsman like conduct. We, the fisherman have all contributed to bringing fisheries to the brink, with over fishing and thinking that just because it states the maximum limit in the law book is something we need to achieve, out of ego not hunger or necessity! To look at the decline in vermonts lakes, streams, and ponds we need only look in the mirror to see the culprit. Progress and reversing the damage of a inferior fishery starts with us! Reducing the amount we take home, selectively harvesting larger fish or taking a picture instead, volunteering time to trout unlimited or other like minded organizations, these are simple steps to preserve and enhance fishing, not complain when you discuss the cause when you chastise the game wardens. We all need to practice better stewardship to keep our fish population in check and give it a chance to rebound. I welcome all rebuttals everyone has a opinion and this is mine
Very well said, thank you
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So we need another invasive species to fix the problem? They make their way into enough bodies of water without legal help. Its thoughts like this that have people fishing for pike in Memphremagog now, largemouth bass in Lake Carmi, and alewives in Lake Champlain just to name a few examples.
Part of the reason that so much effort goes into Champlain is because it undoubtedly receives the most fishing pressure and its watershed covers most of the state. The other little hole in the wall ponds make very little sense to stock and such if someone is going to go there with their kids to "catch fish like grandpa" and haul in 5 limits of salmon or walleyes over and over, or someone decides "Hmmm, I think there should be crappie in here." The fish stocked in the lake have a much greater chance of survival in a larger body of water.
I have no problem catching decent numbers of quality fish year after year. I think many of you are probably fishing your grandfather's old honey holes and such, expecting the same results as the old photographs. Do you think those trophies and full stringers were caught every day? I sure hope you don't. Don't forget that lakes and ponds are AQUATIC ECOSYSTEMS. They aren't static, but rather subject to constant change, and fishing no doubt is a major factor affecting them. Try fishing somewhere else on the lake sometime, go out and look for the fish you want. You may be surprised at what you'll find. Well, I'm done pissing into the wind on the internet and trying to change the world with a few keystrokes, time to go fish for brook trout in Norton Pond... ::)
Magog is far from a hole in the wall pond.....
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Where is this thread going?
I'm confused its the states fault you cannot catch
Walleye's?
Difficult to catch is what I enjoy the most out of fishing for them.
I think fishing in vermont is great.
I think the state does a damn good job managing it.
That's just my opinion.
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i happen to like the fishing in this state. can't comment on the walleye thing, there are none around my area and it doesn't bother me a bit, i just fish to fish and i have fun doing it!
Yup :icefish:
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I too enjoy fishing for the elusive Mr. Walleye ..... not sure what happened to Maygog/champlain eyes ? They are surely missed by many. Loss of spawning grounds , structure change , water temps. .... spills/leaks ?????? I also agree that TO MUCH of sportsmans dollars are spent on put and take trout. Yet at the same time I realize the revenue they produce. Our waters could definitely use more monies allotted to RESTOREMENT efforts. Now our streams around here (sth Vt. ) are junk from massive floods..... and my grandkids fishing future ...??????
MY #1 peeve is ... ACCESS ACCESS ACCESS ACCESS. Whether it be for hunting or fishing ! If I pay for a cow I darn sure better have ACCESS to the milk ! .... Enjoy ... I'll leave the light on for ya !
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I have no idea why there aren't any walleye left....My grandfather and his 12 brothers used to catch 100 lbs each per weekend day!!! Seems the state must be doing a bad job managing the walleye!!!
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Waaaaaah..... :'( :'( :'( They're not known as "The Elusive Walleye" because they're easy...
:tipup:
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i think the point he was making is the state takes more than they put back ... and i also agree we need habit along our rivers they keep eroding the trees and the shade and the water temps in the spawning rivers are rising .... and addition to magog every dead pike is a good pike good day!
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tench i fished magog since the early70s there were pike in it then i know we caught them wallie is a good fishery fish these big lakes should have them the diffrent is no body ice fish back then much because alot of people were to lazy to walk or it was to hard to much work and to cold to do it for them
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One thing you need to keep in mind when you see the license fees go up guys, is that the overall number of license sales is decreasing. Don't have as many people paying in, you need to raise fees. I base that mostly on hunting license sales, b/c i don't know what fishing license sales are doing.
As far as Champlain Walleyes is concerned, it is my understanding that since we have Alewifes, they may be making the walleyes sterile. I believe the state is testing this, but haven't confirmed. It is of a concern to Salmon and Lakers as well. Not sure Salmon reproduce in Champlain anyways? If that turns out to be true, I would think that would be part of why they have been on the decline.
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I caught a beautiful 7.5# walleye a few years ago in a local pond that (isn't supposed to have walleye) I was fishing for Jumbo Perch with minnows on tip-ups. we catch allot of bass (and release them) there always fun! There's never anyone ever there.... This year... If we get some REAL ice. Id like to try it at night! I haven't been there in a few years...or ever since they changed the bait law. because i didn't want to drive to the next town for certified bait!
But this year.... With my jewelry repair shop trucking along, I can't fish day's......So im very excited! even if it isn't any good, it'll be very enjoyable just being out, with the lanterns lit, peaceful.
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I read people's rants against VT F&W (re: hunting and fishing) occasionally and can only think that these people are the ones that just can't quite figure out how to consistently catch fish or how to consistently get a deer.
Believe me, there are plenty of anglers in Vermont that go out and catch quality fish on a regular basis.
Incompetence is no reason to start blaming Fish and Wildlife.
I appreciate what they do and how they advocate for sportsmen and women.
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tench i fished magog since the early70s there were pike in it then i know we caught them wallie is a good fishery fish these big lakes should have them the diffrent is no body ice fish back then much because alot of people were to lazy to walk or it was to hard to much work and to cold to do it for them
Walleyes may be a good "fishery fish" in bodies of water where they are native. (At one time carp were considered a good fishery fish and were introduced into many rivers and lakes in the United States.) Bucket biology has no place in natural resource management. Organized stocking efforts to reinstate NATIVE populations do however. These actions TODAY have to take into account the condition of the ecosystem TODAY though. Overfishing in past years is the problem that we are dealing with today. Lets not be so short sighted as to give the next generation an even more crippled fishery...
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Bucket biology has no place in natural resource management. Organized stocking efforts to reinstate NATIVE populations do however. These actions TODAY have to take into account the condition of the ecosystem TODAY though. Overfishing in past years is the problem that we are dealing with today. Lets not be so short sighted as to give the next generation an even more crippled fishery...
Thank you beyond belief for summing up what I couldn't with the phrase "Bucket Biology!" :clap: :thumbsup:
I hope you don't mind if I use that now in response to peoples knee-jerk reactions to a few bad days on the Water or Ice, or in the woods for that matter! I think a lot of us are sick of hearing guys complain about the people working to maintain, restore, and preserve the amazing fisheries we have in this state based on science, not assumptions, just because they are not catching fish as big as the ones in their grandaddy's fish stories... There is a reason we are continuously breaking all time records for fish sizes in this state!
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You guys want to smell my feet?
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You guys want to smell my feet?
If you're not first,you're last.
How's the off-season treating you Ricky Bobby?
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I too enjoy fishing for the elusive Mr. Walleye ..... not sure what happened to Maygog/champlain eyes ? They are surely missed by many. Loss of spawning grounds , structure change , water temps. .... spills/leaks ?????? I also agree that TO MUCH of sportsmans dollars are spent on put and take trout. Yet at the same time I realize the revenue they produce. Our waters could definitely use more monies allotted to RESTOREMENT efforts. Now our streams around here (sth Vt. ) are junk from massive floods..... and my grandkids fishing future ...??????
MY #1 peeve is ... ACCESS ACCESS ACCESS ACCESS. Whether it be for hunting or fishing ! If I pay for a cow I darn sure better have ACCESS to the milk ! .... Enjoy ... I'll leave the light on for ya !
i hear on this one .. Look at all the super nice boat access on the NY York side of lake Champlain and then look at the Vermont accesses .There is no comparison . the Ny side has way bigger accesses and lot bigger parking lots.
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Thank you beyond belief for summing up what I couldn't with the phrase "Bucket Biology!" :clap: :thumbsup:
I hope you don't mind if I use that now in response to peoples knee-jerk reactions to a few bad days on the Water or Ice, or in the woods for that matter! I think a lot of us are sick of hearing guys complain about the people working to maintain, restore, and preserve the amazing fisheries we have in this state based on science, not assumptions, just because they are not catching fish as big as the ones in their grandaddy's fish stories... There is a reason we are continuously breaking all time records for fish sizes in this state!
I agree with you and tench. I think there are many factors that play into people's frustration.
1) This is an age of instant gratification, the I WANT IT NOW syndrome and often people don't want to work very hard to get what they want
2) Our state has seen some significant changes in the waterways since Irene, climate change has led to shorter ice fishing seasons and as tench pointed out these are living ecosystems that are always in a state of flux. You have to learn to roll with the changes.
3) The economy is a mess, in VT we are highly taxed and anytime we are required to pay a little more for something people react to that. In terms of the 2013 license fees, a combination license is $38 this year. If you fish year around and hunt the seasons you can get use out of this license for 12 months out of the year, or $3.16 per month (albeit if you buy all the add on tags it will cost you $11.13 per month and that includes a trapping tag, archery, turkey, muzzleloader, bear, duck et al). In my opinion this is a small price to pay for all of the fun and adventures I have enjoying what this state has to offer as well as passing along the heritage of fishing and hunting to my children and nieces and nephews.
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There are a lot of adventures to have just get out there and have fun doing it and don't lose heart if it does not come easy :tipup:
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Let's see....
they call them "the elusive" walleye? Why?
Is it because they hide so well, or is it because they are in short supply?
Sure, making a connection between a bad fishing outing and bad F&G management is a reach, but in this day and age we have seen much stranger connections every day.
Here in MA, although our fishing license hasn't increased, our stcking programs have dwindled dramatically.
We sued to have quite a few fish hatcheries in state, but the budget was cut and so were they. They were not hiring game wardens or field officers, but were able to refurbish their field office, they have even gone as far as to no longer mail out licenses and make you print out your own after paying a "convenience fee" for being forced to buy it online from a vendor in another state. So I can sympathize with him about the fishing quality and F&G connection.
It's a slippery slope when the F&G dictate where fish will be stocked and what will be stocked, and they promote the few waters that receive the lion's share of fish as well as invite an increase in fishing pressure.
Tell us that ALL the fish are stocked in one pond, advertize it nationwide to draw in out-of-staters, and then tell us you don't know why the locals can't seem to get any fish when the OOS's have been limiting out every trip, all year long. I know it sounds far fetched, but it's a good scenario to indicate what may be the most prudent problem....apathy, or outright ignorance. The F&G may be ignoring the biological facts because they are counting the monetary results. More money to play with!
We used to have native trout streams and rivers here in MA, but finding one is like finding bigfoot....you have heard of one, but Damn, you'll never see one! Now a large portion of our F&G budget is to maintain a put and take fishery. I don't know about you, but stocked trout taste like crap. The difference between a native / acclimated trout and a freshly stocked trout would be like the difference between top shelf and bar booze, or home made chicken dinner and a frozen tv dinner by a no-name company.
OK, my rant is over, my coffee is gone and I need to eat!
Have a great day!
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He is upset about F&G funding and where the appropriations are going. Put together a letter to them and legislature. Start going to their public meetings. Volunteer.
Learn how to catch Walleye?
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You guys realize that the state does not even keep
Access areas plowed out?
If its plowed its because either the town is doing it or a
Ice fisherman is doing it.
Next time you use an access take a minute and
Think about it.
Chances are you would not be able to fish it because
There would be no place to park.
Because of your question, I asked the state on their FB page. This was their answer.....Yes, Vermont Fish & Wildlife is responsible for the maintenance of the fishing access areas. If you have come across an access area that is in need of attention please contact Mike Wichrowski with Vermont Fish & Wildlife to report this. He can be reached at (802) 479-8601 or email at [email protected]
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Let's see....
they call them "the elusive" walleye? Why?
Is it because they hide so well, or is it because they are in short supply?
Sure, making a connection between a bad fishing outing and bad F&G management is a reach, but in this day and age we have seen much stranger connections every day.
Here in MA, although our fishing license hasn't increased, our stcking programs have dwindled dramatically.
We sued to have quite a few fish hatcheries in state, but the budget was cut and so were they. They were not hiring game wardens or field officers, but were able to refurbish their field office, they have even gone as far as to no longer mail out licenses and make you print out your own after paying a "convenience fee" for being forced to buy it online from a vendor in another state. So I can sympathize with him about the fishing quality and F&G connection.
It's a slippery slope when the F&G dictate where fish will be stocked and what will be stocked, and they promote the few waters that receive the lion's share of fish as well as invite an increase in fishing pressure.
Tell us that ALL the fish are stocked in one pond, advertize it nationwide to draw in out-of-staters, and then tell us you don't know why the locals can't seem to get any fish when the OOS's have been limiting out every trip, all year long. I know it sounds far fetched, but it's a good scenario to indicate what may be the most prudent problem....apathy, or outright ignorance. The F&G may be ignoring the biological facts because they are counting the monetary results. More money to play with!
We used to have native trout streams and rivers here in MA, but finding one is like finding bigfoot....you have heard of one, but Damn, you'll never see one! Now a large portion of our F&G budget is to maintain a put and take fishery. I don't know about you, but stocked trout taste like crap. The difference between a native / acclimated trout and a freshly stocked trout would be like the difference between top shelf and bar booze, or home made chicken dinner and a frozen tv dinner by a no-name company.
OK, my rant is over, my coffee is gone and I need to eat!
Have a great day!
They are not elusive I think they are nearly gone and mostly fishermens fault, I remember fishing east creek bank to bank boats during the spawn every boat had a stringer full, there went the spawn,
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Because of your question, I asked the state on their FB page. This was their answer.....Yes, Vermont Fish & Wildlife is responsible for the maintenance of the fishing access areas. If you have come across an access area that is in need of attention please contact Mike Wichrowski with Vermont Fish & Wildlife to report this. He can be reached at (802) 479-8601 or email at [email protected]
Wow,
That's cool, I thought Facebook was only good for home wrecking.
It actually has a purpose.
Thanks for taking the time and looking this up.
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For all of those who like to run there mouth, if they were here to catch, trust me, I would have them. If your so good at catchin them, then get up here and show us. Most of you who are kissin hiny are probably to blind to see what they are doing to us. I will pay any amount of money to hunt and fish. I want them to give back like they promise. I want them to preserve for the future generations, I want to see the Fish and Game sponsor a little more. I want to see renvenue built up in all states and towns. Why is it that the authorities have to use thier little badge and bully us around with their ASSAULT weapons on their sides and their big fines that are used to pay for more trucks. The last Game Warden I confronted about a law, said, oh well, do you have a callback number, I will have to get back to u. We paid for them to go to school. Now they ride in expensive trucks and act as an answering machine. U tell me where u see all this changing. They are flattening our woods, letting our lakes go to hell, yet its okay.
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When we do well we take all the credit for being a real wizard at catching fish when we do poorly we tend to blame everyone else for the short coming. The other thing now is there are a lot more of us after the same number of fish. We just are not building any new lakes
The equipment is much better what would the catches have been if grandpa had what we had to day. One big one is the easy light heaters and portable shanty's in the 70s we were using kerosene heaters that did not stay light portable meant a car with a hole in the floor at below zero we did not fish. Hell even the cloths today are warmer and lighter.
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$25 for a fishing license and b***hing about a species we fisherman have done in? Hard to believe this rant,
i think fishing in VT is very good almost great. I think the accesses
by and large are good not perfect but very acceptable. Walleyes sorry we fisherman cleaned that species
out. Yes 50-60 years ago F&G partly at fault for not restricting the limits but then we would be b***hing about the limits.
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all the stock goes to champlain-not fair!
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$25 for a fishing license and b***hing about a species we fisherman have done in? Hard to believe this rant,
i think fishing in VT is very good almost great. I think the accesses
by and large are good not perfect but very acceptable. Walleyes sorry we fisherman cleaned that species
out. Yes 50-60 years ago F&G partly at fault for not restricting the limits but then we would be b***hing about the limits.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :tipup:
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$25 for a fishing license and b***hing about a species we fisherman have done in? Hard to believe this rant,
i think fishing in VT is very good almost great. I think the accesses
by and large are good not perfect but very acceptable. Walleyes sorry we fisherman cleaned that species
out. Yes 50-60 years ago F&G partly at fault for not restricting the limits but then we would be b***hing about the limits.
Couldn't of summed it up better
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I think fishinmachine said it best!!! WAAAAHHHHHH!!!
Get over it...want this converstaion go to the Maine board!
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The topic is: When is our Money and Concerns gonna be taken Seriously? Well, living in the NEK, I say never. You can go to the Vermont Dept Fish and Game Dept website and see where they are stocking the local Vermont Ponds, Brooks, Rivers and Lakes, with fish, that some do come from the Rivers and Brooks of Vermont, then raised in Hatchery's in Vermont and also else where. Unless the Vermont Fish and Game Dept, start to look at the loss of habitat, around these Rivers, Streams and Brooks, you are losing your battle, in my opinion. Vermont Rivers, Streams and Brooks in Vermont, have so much against them. Development is a big problem. What I mean is, over the many years, there has been alot of Bank erosion, from local and big Development projects, near the Streams and Rivers in Vermont. Loss of Shade, creates warmer Temps, which for some Trout species, they can't survive. In my area, the State of Vermont Leg and State, has allowed a big Landfill, near two Major Rivers, that feed a local Lake. This Landfill, now is one of the last one open in Vermont. Then you get these Mother Nature Problems, which happen. You can have all of these Professional Individuals who work for this State, with there Computers, new Vehicles and have College Degrees in taking care of the Environment, etc., but they don't have the Money or Time, to just look at the whole grid of what Habitat loss to the Vermont Rivers, Streams, Ponds and Lakes. Sorryful. Just my opinion. ;D
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Face it alls F&G wants to stock are trout.
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Waaaaaah..... :'( :'( :'( They're not known as "The Elusive Walleye" because they're easy...
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AMEN. ;) They'll' challenge ya for sure !! GREAT fish !
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For all of those who like to run there mouth, if they were here to catch, trust me, I would have them. If your so good at catchin them, then get up here and show us. Most of you who are kissin hiny are probably to blind to see what they are doing to us. I will pay any amount of money to hunt and fish. I want them to give back like they promise. I want them to preserve for the future generations, I want to see the Fish and Game sponsor a little more. I want to see renvenue built up in all states and towns. Why is it that the authorities have to use thier little badge and bully us around with their ASSAULT weapons on their sides and their big fines that are used to pay for more trucks. The last Game Warden I confronted about a law, said, oh well, do you have a callback number, I will have to get back to u. We paid for them to go to school. Now they ride in expensive trucks and act as an answering machine. U tell me where u see all this changing. They are flattening our woods, letting our lakes go to hell, yet its okay.
The solution to pollution is dillution - its our responsability to preserve for future generations, not just the States. Ever heard the saying, "if you want something done right do it yourself". You complaining about the state not preserving,stocking, whatever species after saying how your grandpa use to rip walleye is like calling the kettle black, too bad your grandpa didn't think about preserving future fishing for his grandchildren...or that was somebody else's complaint,if so my bad. Short term memory loss and lack of interest in reading this entire thread.
How many trucks has the state purchased new for Wardens in the last fiscal year? Do you have any numbers to show how the state spends or are you just ranting and raving?
I personally have no problem paying more for a license nor do I have a problem catching and RELEASING walleye on lake Champlain.
Just my 2 cents.
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When the annual license cost increases get higher than the money I spend buying a scratch off ticket each week, Then maybe I will complain about it, but until then I am just fine with spending 48 Cents per week to fish. I Don't think It's unreasonable for us to carve out an extra three dollars over the course of a year to fish...
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" or if we should keep paying for new trucks for the Wardens."
[/quote]Not sure if it is the same in VT, but in Maine our warden trucks are leased. They turn them in around 100,000 miles for another one, the state doesn't buy them.
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It's not only pollution and shoreline erosion, it is overharvesting. In ten years people will be complaining there are no more crappie and gills in Champlain. You can not expect to go out everyday and fill up a five gallon pail and not effect the fishery, never mind ten guys doing the same thing day after day in the same areas whether from a boat or hardwater. I think the fishing in VT is quite good, I fish Champlain 5 - 10 x a year and a few other spots, but then again I fish for bass and pike so I do not know of the walleye and trout situation, but over harvesting is the #1 issue.
Instead of bashing Fish and Wildlife why don't you have a conversation with them. I have had many with both VT and NY and both are happy to hear your concerns and give you both their point of view, and the states. Get involved instead of b*tching from behind your computer.
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They are out there doing their jobs! I like being checked by a warden, it shows me that they are out there looking for guys breaking the law. By the sounds you must have something to hide, because ANYONE out there fishing or hunting legally wouldn't need to be worried about a "shady" warden........ Just saying........
X2 Well said!!! :tipup: :tipup: :tipup: :tipup:
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We also send our whitetails to Ontario and Illinois! @)
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1) power augers ARE NOT allowed on Berlin Pond.
2) Anybody know how the ice is on Salem?
...oh, did I comment on the wrong thread? I hate it when a thread gest side tracked.
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:roflmao: :icefish:
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I could go on and on about this Walleye thing in Champlain but i won't.But i will tell you a few facts about it.
Years ago we used to come off the lake with 10 to 30 walleyes and just as many sauger in one day.EVERYBODY did this.Then the 12 inch law came in,then the 15 inch, and then the fish limit.It takes allot of years for a walleye to get to 8 lbs in Champlain.(15 to 25 years).Allot of fish we caught back in the 60's were 1 to 3 lbs.Very seldom you caught one over 6 lbs.With people catching this many and NO ONE stocking them devastates the population.A Biologists told me once that the reason Vermont doesn't stock them is because that is NOT the money fish in Champlain.It is Lake Trout and Salmon.That's what everybody comes here to fish and that's where the moneys at.Look what Vermont does on these three species as far as stocking and it speaks for itself.
I will give them some credit but just because they are doing a little more now then they did do,but about 50 times more will be needed.I will always fish Vermont because i lived here my whole life but that doesn't mean i agree with everything they do.Good Luck and Have Fun
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Well put Dave. Dont you think if they put the effort to rehabilitate the Champlain Walleye population to half the state it once was that it would draw people? Look at Carmi, when that place was at its prime it was nothing to see 30-40 boats a day out on that small body of water. Why? Because, that was the most consistant lake in the state to catch Walleye. Maybe they should start on a smaller scale and work on a few inland lake because Champlain could be a lifelong project {if ever} to return it to a world class Walleye fishery. I would think a smaller body of water would be a lot easier to establish a self sustaining Walleye fishery.
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I've also been here all my life. Overfishing seems to be taking the heaviest blame here for the lack of walleyes in Champlain. I disagree. I have a couple of theories. One is the white perch. Back when you are talking about the 100 lb. days, nobody ever heard of a white perch. Whoever, in their infinite wisdom, introduced them into Champlain changed/ killed the fishery. They are voracious, and eat everything that moves, including walleye fry. Someday try the old school method of bottom bouncing a threaded night crawler for walleyes, and see what you get...
My second, and strongest theory about their disappearance is pollution. Very few people seem to recall, or even know, that 25 +/- years ago there was a chemical spill into the Champlain Canal at the height of the spawn, EXACTLY the WORST possible time, that left the banks of the lower lake COVERED with dead fish. I remember it. It was sickening. The banks were white; tons of walleyes. Fishermen didn't do it, no matter how many hundred pound days you had.
But due to restocking efforts by VT F&W, NY DEC, and John Rozell of the Lake Champlain Walleye Association, they are coming back. People are catching walleyes again, and not just 1 to 3 lb. fish, but 9 and 10 pounders, too. :tipup:
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your wrong, this rule says they are
http://nrb.state.vt.us/wrp/publications/upw2012.pdf (http://nrb.state.vt.us/wrp/publications/upw2012.pdf)
first, it's ''you're'' not ''your''. Second, I was joking about berlin pond and salem ice conditions per the pasts week of forum activity but I'm curious where is this 85 page document it says power augers are allowed on Berlin Pond? Please advise.
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fishinmachine,
I do believe pollution does play a part but when your taking thousands of walleyes out of the lake of all sizes and for years on end it is devastating.I also remember in my early teen years the water used to be 25+ feet at the Ticondaroga Paper Mill.Now it is 15 or 16 ft.If you remember 25 years ago they were dumping into the lake and were fine a measly 10,000 dollars.That pocket change with no effect to a company of that size.
Over the last 25 years when ever we caught white perch we caught walleyes.No i never seen a white perch in my younger years.Like i said it takes allot of years for a walleye to get 8 lbs.If you do the math the last 15 years they are coming back.So take into consideration the thousands that were caught back in the late sixty's and how long it takes them to grow,brings to about 15 years ago.
Also that kill off you said.I don't remember that at all but i spoke with a land owner at Singin Cedars and he told me 10 years ago he had several hundreds of walleyes dead on shore by Stevens Orchard.I just believe in the southern half of the lake from the paper mill down was almost wiped out.
What they are doing to Chittenden Dam with the walleyes is great.There not producing but the stocked ones are growing like hell.
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Well then, Dave, it's obvious from those results that our money and concerns are being taken seriously, so this thread is moot. :tipup:
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OK. I'm going to type this into Microsoft Word very carefully, then run spell check, and then cut and paste it here, so I don't offend you with my punctuation and spelling. I may not be able to spell perfectly, and I'm probably not the sharpest axe in the toolshed, but even I can read and follow the logic here. So, here's how the 85 page document says that power augers are LEGAL on Berlin Pond.
Go to Berlin Pond, Page A-6 (the 19th page of the 85-page document), part (d). It reads "Use of internal combustion motors is prohibited (VUPW rule 3.5)"
OK, sounds like a power auger with a gas motor (not a battery operated one) might be prohibited, right? Well, let's look up this VUPW Rule 3.5 it references.
So, go backwards in the document to the numbered Page 7 (the 8th page of the 85 page document). Rule 3.5, labelled Use of Internal Combustion Motors. This reads "Use of internal combustion motors to power vessels on lakes, ponds and reservoirs is prohibited where the use of such motors was not a normal use prior to January 1, 1993".
Hmmm. So the terms "internal combustion motor" in this rule seems only to refer to those motors used to power a vessel. Last I checked, not a normal use of a gas auger, though it would be handy if I went through the ice. ;)
OK. One last final triple-check. What is a vessel, you might ask yourself? Let's look up the definition of "vessel" as defined in this rule on numbered Page 12 (the 13th page of the 85 page document).
Part 5.13 on Page 12 defines "Vessel" as "Every description of watercraft, other than a seaplane on the water, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water".
So, the way I read it, the prohibition on "internal combustion motors" on Berlin Pond ONLY applies to those attached to and capable of powering a vessel on the water. A power auger does not fit.
Now, snowmachines or 4-wheelers are another can of worms, since you have to figure out whether a sled or quad on the ice, is the same as "a means of transportation on water" as described in 5.13.
And since it took me a friggin' hour to type and proofread this bloody thing so I don't risk offending anyone with my awesome spelling, I'm not going to figure that one out for you.
now THAT was a good humored reply! very nicely done - I myself ain't the coldest beer in the fridge so I wasn't meaning to call the kettle black! :)
I understand that the whole internal combustion/vessel thing does not apply to the application of a power auger...like i said before my initial post was a joke but in that document and/or anywhere (online/regs book) for that matter it doesn't say that power augers are or aren't prohibited on a specific body of water. I feel like they are in fact prohibited some places but it's not very clear, ya know? The closet thing to this topic is what you pointed out above referencing the internal combustion motor and use of it to propel a vessel.
with that, IS there any body of water that prohibits the use of a power auger??
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If you ask me they ought to fine the poachers they catch triple then what they do now, that would help keep the licence fees down.
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If you ask me they ought to fine the poachers they catch triple then what they do now, that would help keep the licence fees down.
Nope $1,000 fine or more..or no more hunting or fishing ever again in VT...laws are just that!
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Nope $1,000 fine or more..or no more hunting or fishing ever again in VT...laws are just that!
Agree X 2 :tipup: :tipup: :tipup:
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all im saying is that some of these wardens"""" are some hypocritical officers .... and i kno plenty of them .....
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I've been to some of the Vermont Fish and Game Dept Meetings on Fishing and Hunting in Vermont. So far in my opinion, we don't have enough Wardens, who are willing to work with the local Public, to investigate, Fish and Game Violations. We don't have enough, Vermont Fish and Game Wardens, for the area's, that have to be covered. I also find, that they have all these laws, on Fish and Game Violations, but hardly see anyone prosecuted, for them? That being said, the State should make it a law, that anyone violating, Vermont Fish and Game Laws, should have there Name, placed in the Vermont Newspapers and the Court News, just like all the other individuals, who are in the News, on a daily basis ;). Just my opinion.
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Nope $1,000 fine or more..or no more hunting or fishing ever again in VT...laws are just that!
What good would that do? If they lose those, they don't have anything else to lose. They will still hunt and fish, trust me, I used to work with guys like that allllllllll that time. Never with me. I was the youngest and smallest guy there, didn't dare to report anyone.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong but I think for some fish and wildlife crimes, repeat offenders and the such...while not very common jail time is a possibility as well as loosing not only their guns and fishing equipment...but also boats, trailers, sleds, atvs, even their cars and trucks could be confiscated....
Spend a week in the clink and loose your truck and I'm guessing jacking a doe won't be as much fun as it used to be...
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So, just to get back on the original topic, seems like Vermont Fish & Wildlife is leading the COUNTRY in it's walleye efforts.
http://www.wptz.com/Champlain-Connection-Stocking-Walleye-Part-1/-/8870596/15260922/-/9w9wegz/-/index.html (http://www.wptz.com/Champlain-Connection-Stocking-Walleye-Part-1/-/8870596/15260922/-/9w9wegz/-/index.html)
http://www.wptz.com/news/vermont-new-york/burlington/Champlain-Connection-Raising-Walleye-is-a-delicate-task/-/8869880/15386302/-/4df3tv/-/index.html (http://www.wptz.com/news/vermont-new-york/burlington/Champlain-Connection-Raising-Walleye-is-a-delicate-task/-/8869880/15386302/-/4df3tv/-/index.html)
And, how many of you are LCWA members? I am. I'll also be buying some raffle tickets for a new auger and portable shanty at the sportsman's show this weekend.
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I'am