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I purchased couple of these last season and like using them. Around here our walleye average is under 18”. Looking to be taking couple trips to walleye destinations and wonder how well the drag works on some larger eyes. Anyone have experience with these?
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I've never used one but work at a retail store that sells them frequently, we have played around with them a lot, from what I can tell is Shimano spinning reels priced
in the same category have a way better, consistent and smoother drag.
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Inlines are more or less known to have worse drags than spinning reels
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Shimano's are known for their gear reliability.
As for inline's there is an expensive Shimano version originally designed not for ice fishing but can be repurpose for ice fishing. It's called a Shimano Seihakou reel.
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I'll stick with the $100 reels.
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Shimano's are known for their gear reliability.
As for inline's there is an expensive Shimano version originally designed not for ice fishing but can be repurpose for ice fishing. It's called a Shimano Seihakou reel.
Now that is a sweet reel, but I wonder how some of those models work without a drag???
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I might have just had a dud of a reel, but i found the "free fall" feature on mine to not work properly, unless i had a heavy jig on. I bought an UL tickle pickle so it was my primary panfish rod. I was disappointed that most of my panfish jigs didnt free fall and i eventually just switched the reel out for a small spinning one.
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I might have just had a dud of a reel, but i found the "free fall" feature on mine to not work properly, unless i had a heavy jig on. I bought an UL tickle pickle so it was my primary panfish rod. I was disappointed that most of my panfish jigs didnt free fall and i eventually just switched the reel out for a small spinning one.
Mine was the same way, I ended up moving the free fall to a bit heavier rod to fish bigger/heavier jigs. I put a spinning reel on my tickle stick also.
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Now that is a sweet reel, but I wonder how some of those models work without a drag???
It's too expensive for me, like how fly reels are just expensive for the good ones.
Some of them models have drag. There's a drag nut right next to handle too. Like bait casting reels have a star drag nut too.
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Google image. Shows one without drag and one with drag.
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Weird contraption from Ebay.
Looks like geared fly reel with a level wind line guide. Description listed as:
11BB 2.6:1 Fishing Reel Valve Micro Lead Raft Sea Ice Lake Rod Line Wheel Metal
I'd be very careful about getting a finger caught in that little vice.
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Mine was the same way, I ended up moving the free fall to a bit heavier rod to fish bigger/heavier jigs. I put a spinning reel on my tickle stick also.
My Black Betty FreeFall works great for me.
My experience is that it does great even with tiny jigs or hooks with tiny splitshot.
Is that a consensus here?
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My Black Betty FreeFall works great for me.
My experience is that it does great even with tiny jigs or hooks with tiny splitshot.
Is that a consensus here?
Only if the black Betty free fall works significantly better than the ghost. Bought a ghost when they came out, it became a paper weight pretty quick. Couldn't force myself to use it
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Try this Black Betty. Blast to fish.
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I might have just had a dud of a reel, but i found the "free fall" feature on mine to not work properly, unless i had a heavy jig on. I bought an UL tickle pickle so it was my primary panfish rod. I was disappointed that most of my panfish jigs didnt free fall and i eventually just switched the reel out for a small spinning one.
No you didn't get a dud. Bought one and would not free fall. took it back got another one and same thing. Just put it on a heavier rod with heavier jigs. Freefall ghost same deal, except didn't replace.The BB-6061 is a nice inline, I have 3 of those.
Keep it safe!JDL
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Fact: Most reels comes with excessive grease and oil. If one really wants to achieve the optimal performance, it does take a little cleaning out the excessive grease and oil in the reels. Even spinning reels gets sluggish when fished in cold freezing weather.
Reels like bait casting have some spool bearings. Cleaning them out and putting in high speed oil helps them a lot. Especially in the case of casting lighter weight lures, namely in the 1/4 oz or lighter. It can be achieved to get free fall on lures with 1/32nd oz. Although a lure pulling a spool/wheel will tend to be slower than line just peeling off a spinning reel.
For your inline reels, cleaning out the spool bearings will get them to free fall lures even better. It follows the same principal of using just enough lubricant to achieve the optimal results.
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Fact: Most reels comes with excessive grease and oil. If one really wants to achieve the optimal performance, it does take a little cleaning out the excessive grease and oil in the reels. Even spinning reels gets sluggish when fished in cold freezing weather.
Reels like bait casting have some spool bearings. Cleaning them out and putting in high speed oil helps them a lot. Especially in the case of casting lighter weight lures, namely in the 1/4 oz or lighter. It can be achieved to get free fall on lures with 1/32nd oz. Although a lure pulling a spool/wheel will tend to be slower than line just peeling off a spinning reel.
For your inline reels, cleaning out the spool bearings will get them to free fall lures even better. It follows the same principal of using just enough lubricant to achieve the optimal results.
Ok the freefall function didn’t work in an ambient temperature of 85f. At that temp could it be that easy that it has too much grease? Never had any problems with the 6061’s or for that matter any of my spinning reels. Would be great if all I had to do to get the freefall to drop a 1/32 oz jig is clean some grease.
Keep it safe! JDL
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Ok the freefall function didn’t work in an ambient temperature of 85f. At that temp could it be that easy that it has too much grease? Never had any problems with the 6061’s or for that matter any of my spinning reels. Would be great if all I had to do to get the freefall to drop a 1/32 oz jig is clean some grease.
Keep it safe! JDL
Just like motor oil. There's thick oil and thin oil. If it is resisting at normal temps, it will resist more at colder temps.
Something to do with physics too. If your line itself is too much weight, that tiny lure ain't going to pull the weight of all that spool. That lure weight has to drive the turning of the entire spool.
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Try tri flow or another dry lube on the spool shaft.
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Spooling up with Nanofil made a big improvement in the drop for me. Tried floro and Fireline, but both those would bind enough on the spool to make me have to pull on the line to free it.
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I purchased couple of these last season and like using them. Around here our walleye average is under 18”. Looking to be taking couple trips to walleye destinations and wonder how well the drag works on some larger eyes. Anyone have experience with these?
I’m up by Lake Winnipeg, I used mine a couple times. And sold it. Not very good for big Walleye.
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we were catching 3-5lb white bass on a freefall a few years ago and the drag was terrible on them. I'd look into a spinning reel.
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Try this Black Betty. Blast to fish.
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Still my favorite reel. Absolute blast for any species and has the best drag system out there! (Me :) )
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we were catching 3-5lb white bass on a freefall a few years ago and the drag was terrible on them. I'd look into a spinning reel.
I've heard this a lot from Customers "Cabelas" and from people on youtube..
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was not smooth at all. would just all the sudden scream off. I imagine you could probably modify them to work better but for me, the variables for it to be a successful product were not there. It does not "freefall" a 3-4mm tungsten jigs in any outdoor/wind condition. and I don't like the drags for fighting larger bass/walleyes/whitebass. the trigger system is awesome though. beside those issues in each of those situations, the other features of the reel shine.
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Same problem with my ghost, does not like to freefall small stuff, especially when it is cold and/or windy. Has anyone ever tore one down and replaced the oil/grease to something lighter?
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All these in line reels seem to be made for shanty jigging only. You take them out in the elements and they don't work like they should. Pros and cons but I'll take a solid spinning setup any day of the week.
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All these in line reels seem to be made for shanty jigging only. You take them out in the elements and they don't work like they should. Pros and cons but I'll take a solid spinning setup any day of the week.
Me too but when it does work it's awesome
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Same problem with my ghost, does not like to freefall small stuff, especially when it is cold and/or windy. Has anyone ever tore one down and replaced the oil/grease to something lighter?
Yes. Can't find it but one of the members actually had a step by step post on this site. good luck!
Keep it safe! JDL
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Ive done it on the ec inline and the cgi no8.best thing to do is get all the grease out of the reel gears.put a few drops of oil in it.they still suck but smoother in the cold.
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Yes. Can't find it but one of the members actually had a step by step post on this site. good luck!
Keep it safe! JDL
I can'r seem to find it either, gonna have to just open 'er up
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there's not much to the free fall action on the free fall ghost. just has an open bearing inside the spool. i would not add any thing to it.
you could use your freezer to check on it if your working with it.
mine has a warped spool brand new.
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just got off the phone with 13 fishing and they said anyone having questions or issues to reach out to them at
[email protected]
steve is going to personally take care of my reel and replace it with new and make sure the new one is good.
it came from gander and they had them all thrown into boxes, so guessing weight sat on it all off season and warped it.
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Caught a few 20"+ walleye and 28" pike this past weekend on upper red lake with my free fall ghost. Had no problem with the drag, never broke a fish off on 4lb test.
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Caught a few 20"+ walleye and 28" pike this past weekend on upper red lake with my free fall ghost. Had no problem with the drag, never broke a fish off on 4lb test.
Smokin...... ::)
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Does anybody else think its ridiculous to have to disassemble a $100+ reel and perform maintenance right out of the box?
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All the inlines suck imo
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Does anybody else think its ridiculous to have to disassemble a $100+ reel and perform maintenance right out of the box?
Not at all. The correct terminology is performance tuning. Even a spinning reel, dirt cheap $15 one can be optimized for performance in the right hand. So can a $500 reel. There is nothing wrong with fishing the reel right out of the box, that's if that's what one wants.
Often times a better performing lubricant can make a difference over that of the standard manufacture's lubricant.
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Not at all. The correct terminology is performance tuning. Even a spinning reel, dirt cheap $15 one can be optimized for performance in the right hand. So can a $500 reel. There is nothing wrong with fishing the reel right out of the box, that's if that's what one wants.
Often times a better performing lubricant can make a difference over that of the standard manufacture's lubricant.
which begs the question. They know the conditions the reels would be used in. Do they save that much on the bottom line by not putting in some cold weather lubricant?
Keep it safe! JDL
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All my inlines are torn down, buffed, and polished then oiled and grease and reassembled.
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Glad there is some cheaper options this year
Got this on black Friday for 40$
My son(13) got the pickle last year and after trying it on some awesome crappie action I had to have one!
Not for every fish but they have an advantage in some spots 😎
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That is a HAWG of a crappie! Nice bucket of fine eating right there.
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free fall trick shop limited edition.
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ice fishing show had lots of different free falls.
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Thanks
I err Santa has a trick shot loaded in the sleigh already 🎣
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which begs the question. They know the conditions the reels would be used in. Do they save that much on the bottom line by not putting in some cold weather lubricant?
Keep it safe! JDL
I have no clue as to why CEO's don't listen to their engineers about certain products.
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I purchased couple of these last season and like using them. Around here our walleye average is under 18”. Looking to be taking couple trips to walleye destinations and wonder how well the drag works on some larger eyes. Anyone have experience with these?
Will they work. Yes. If you have the higher end free fall it seems the drag is a little better.
From my personal experiance. I found that the inline reels drags are not the smoothest. I kinda jumped on the "inline" reel craze for awhile, and had about 10 of them from the various companies.
I've tried/ran the BB6061 reels, then the newer BB6061 silver one, a frabill 371, the tear drop, the one 3 decent, and a few others. Last year tried the high end free fall.
For the most part, most of the inline reels are off balance and the drags leave plenty to be desired. I found they work decent for panfish in deeper water, and I found the free fall to work best in that situation. I've pretty much sold off my other inlines on Craigslist.
Personally, when walleye fishing I prefer a good spinning reel with a few ball bearings, and a good drag for walleye fishing over the inlines.
In your case, just spool up some 6lb line on the free falls service them with some Lucas reel oil and they should work fine.
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Try this Black Betty. Blast to fish.
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I've got one of those and two of the No. 8 code blue reels that are the plastic version of that. Absolutely the bomb when fishing 15ft or less for gills, crappies, and perch. Paired on some HT ice blues rods they are a great panfish setup.
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which begs the question. They know the conditions the reels would be used in. Do they save that much on the bottom line by not putting in some cold weather lubricant?
Keep it safe! JDL
Exactly. Paying a premium price should allow you to have the optimum performance from the get-go. If it's a $15 reel, I understand going into it that I may need to tune it up.
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I've got one of those and two of the No. 8 code blue reels that are the plastic version of that. Absolutely the bomb when fishing 15ft or less for gills, crappies, and perch. Paired on some HT ice blues rods they are a great panfish setup.
Also works great in 30+ fow during late ice, the 1:1 retrieve helps bring them up slowly for a much better survival rate. This is my go-to reel, I run them on 3/4 of my main set ups
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Exactly. Paying a premium price should allow you to have the optimum performance from the get-go. If it's a $15 reel, I understand going into it that I may need to tune it up.
That's not how performance tuners think. It's a little different. They wouldn't waste time on reels less than $100. They would spend their time and money on those expensive reels. Mostly well over $300 and most of them are doing it on $500+ reels. Makes me wonder if they actually fish with the end results.
I just took a couple of pointers from some of those guys and apply it in a practical way for myself. That being tuning up a cheap reel will get me so far as simple operations and functions. However tuning up an expensive reel, get's me far more results that can actually be applicable to real field use. And a lot of it is simply just cleaning out the original manufacture's lubricant and replacing it with a higher quality lubricant that allows ball bearing to operate much more efficiently for the spools in bait casting reels.
As for spinning reels, it's cleaning and re-lubing that line roller. If it's got a bearing, it works so much better. However most spinning reels, under $100 don't even have a bearing in there. It's probably just a plastic bushing. Why don't manufacture just put a low friction nylon bushing in there? It would solve 99% of the spinning reel's performance.
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That's not how performance tuners think. It's a little different. They wouldn't waste time on reels less than $100. They would spend their time and money on those expensive reels. Mostly well over $300 and most of them are doing it on $500+ reels. Makes me wonder if they actually fish with the end results.
I just took a couple of pointers from some of those guys and apply it in a practical way for myself. That being tuning up a cheap reel will get me so far as simple operations and functions. However tuning up an expensive reel, get's me far more results that can actually be applicable to real field use. And a lot of it is simply just cleaning out the original manufacture's lubricant and replacing it with a higher quality lubricant that allows ball bearing to operate much more efficiently for the spools in bait casting reels.
As for spinning reels, it's cleaning and re-lubing that line roller. If it's got a bearing, it works so much better. However most spinning reels, under $100 don't even have a bearing in there. It's probably just a plastic bushing. Why don't manufacture just put a low friction nylon bushing in there? It would solve 99% of the spinning reel's performance.
We're saying essentially the same thing. It seems like it would be good for business to spend 5% more on the product to make it perform 20% better. Those are obviously arbitrary numbers, but still, the point is that a little extra could go a long way.
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what reel is that icephishwyo?
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what reel is that icephishwyo?
Sportsman's direct - Trigger Dropper
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I'm kinda suprised that they have this much interest in the inlines yet. I thought it was a dying fad........
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We're saying essentially the same thing. It seems like it would be good for business to spend 5% more on the product to make it perform 20% better. Those are obviously arbitrary numbers, but still, the point is that a little extra could go a long way.
yea...but CEO's don't think that way vs real end users.
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Like was mentioned...
Clean and grease with a lightweight low temp grease.
I also like to use 6lb P-Line.
If there are Lakers or Pike on the menu I opt for 8lb P line.
I have landed 15 -20 Lakers and Pine on 6 lb P-Line.