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Pennsylvania => Ice Fishing Pennsylvania => Topic started by: 1MOFISH on Jan 30, 2014, 01:30 PM
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just got some seagar fluorocarbon and im in the process of tying new leaders,it seems stiff and very little flex? you think it shock snaps due too the low flex? also its half the diameter of my 30# trilene but isn't much less visible? you have a special knot? I tie a trilene knot and have never had the knot break,any ideas?
GOD BLESS
mo
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I use 30 lb seaguar on my tip ups and haven't had any problems with bite offs or breaking. I always use a Palomar knot with floro and make sure to wet it with saliva.
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I don't fish for toothy critters and all I got is respect for my other fellow fishermen when reading their questions and thought and tips if I don't like them or don't agree I don't put them down or chase them away from a website which is set up to help people who have questions about the great sport of fishing I did not keen to offend you in any way shape or form
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All nonsense aside and to get back on topic...
If you are tying line to line, especially lines of different diameter use a blood knot. Line to hook, use what ever you are comfortable with. I believe the palomar knot is the strongest knot but might not be the best knot depending on the application. Fluro doesn't have any stretch, which increases sensitivity and reduces line memory. The no stretch characteristic of fluro must be taken into account when setting the hook. It also sinks whereas mono will float, but this really isn't an issue when ice fishing.
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sloughdog, not to be to nit picky, but Floro does stretch (8-12%) , just about 1/2 as much as Mono (20-40%). Even Spectra stretches about 3%... If you have been using Mono all your life, it would feel like it does not stretch!
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I like it for tipups. I use trilene knot or palamar knot. Be sure n wet it really good n pull it down slow. It's much more sensative to a bad knot Than mono. A lap do not pinch your split shots on too tight if you use those.
You picked a good brand seagar is one of the best. IMO
As far as shock breaking I have not had that, and have not had a pike bite through, but I also don't target them specifically much. Also when you pull it of your tip up spool before starting for the day pull it and stretch it. It will coil on the tip up reel in the cold.
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No worries stripernut thanks for clarifying that. The way I understand it is mono stretches but recovers to normal. Fluro on the other hand stretches but does not recover, which means when stretched it stays stretched/deformed and weakens it.
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I don't fish for toothy critters and all I got is respect for my other fellow fishermen when reading their questions and thought and tips if I don't like them or don't agree I don't put them down or chase them away from a website which is set up to help people who have questions about the great sport of fishing I did not keen to offend you in any way shape or form
I musta missed something,well I forgive and forget.i don't know everything and im open to suggestions. I got the floro in the truck ready to fish tomorrow!palomar knots is a go thanks for the help will let you know my test results
GOD BLESS
mo
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There were a few posts that have since been deleted, I think the reference was to those posts. Whatever the case, good luck tomorrow and stay safe!
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The way I understand it is mono stretches but recovers to normal. Fluro on the other hand stretches but does not recover, which means when stretched it stays stretched/deformed and weakens it.
Both stretch and return, just that Fluro stretches less, it is not weakened by stretching... With every knot you tie, you should "feel" it stretch and return... When I am doing seminars on rigging and knot tying, I always tell ever one you want a bad knot to fail in your hand, not on a fish. It does take a few broken knots to learn how much you can "pull" before the line breaks, but with practice you learn...
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I test every knot but with 25# test I could not break line and I did feel it stretch,what about slippage always tie off the tag end for safety floro feels hard compared to mono.i need to be confident in my equipment or its no good. like the blue ice line threw it away,to me it was no good.thanks again
GOD BLESS YOU
mo
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Sorry 1MOFISH, tie off the tag end? Do you mean that after you tie your knot you take the tag end and knot it again? Also which "blue ice line" are you talking about?
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Sorry 1MOFISH, tie off the tag end? Do you mean that after you tie your knot you take the tag end and knot it again? Also which "blue ice line" are you talking about?
yes on the tag end, knot it and clip it,the blue ice line I think its trilene couldn't use so don't remember
GOD BLESS
mo
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If you need to tie a second knot because you are not sure the first one will hold, I would suggest trying some new knots... You are right the only hole that Trilene line was fit for was the trash can...
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If you need to tie a second knot because you are not sure the first one will hold, I would suggest trying some new knots... You are right the only hole that Trilene line was fit for was the trash can...
I never had one slip in 35 years or so,not gonna tempt fate though!our motto has always been your one flag away from the state record :tipup:
GOD BLESS
mo
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yes on the tag end, knot it and clip it,the blue ice line I think its trilene couldn't use so don't remember
GOD BLESS
mo
I put a lighter to the tag end for a second. this creates a stopping point on the tail hopefully so the tag end doesn't slip through and unravel the knot. same theory as a knot though less defined.
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Knots fail when they slip (they cut them selves), if you have to put a "Stopper" on your line, you are using a knot that is "Failing"... If it has worked for you, all well and good, but I would not use a knot that needed "extra" measures. Use the right knot in the first place and tie it well and you will not have to "Micky Mouse" it in hope that it will hold...
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I used it for years fishing the tribs. in Erie and NY It’s really good stuff. I’ve landed plenty of large fish using it, tying line to line to make leader, using light line weight on larger fish, and never had an issue with it. Now that was on a fly rod, but the line took a beating hooking steelhead, brown trout, and salmon. There were plenty of times using 8 pound or less leader, hooking and landing 16 pound or better fish without any problem.
If you’re interested in supporting local guys, Gamma fishing line is a fair line for the money and it’s made in Oil City PA.
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I never had one slip in 35 years or so,not gonna tempt fate though!our motto has always been your one flag away from the state record :tipup:
GOD BLESS
mo
Moe, I think the reason he said about the xtra knot is because, and I have found flouro to slip. I have personally had knots pull through with flouro. I now leave extra on tag end because of it. Not with thinner stuff but with heavier like the 20lb and up.
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Striper nut,
Every post I come across you make I read intently. You definitely know your stuff my friend.
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Thanks for the kind words...
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Moe, I think the reason he said about the xtra knot is because, and I have found flouro to slip. I have personally had knots pull through with flouro. I now leave extra on tag end because of it. Not with thinner stuff but with heavier like the 20lb and up.
I was told that knots inherently slip to some degree? that's the cinching process? I think I heard something like fishin line super glue? thanks for the insight you guys in it for the long haul.
GOD BLESS
mo
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FISHING FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT CLAIMED TO ICE UP LESS. WELL IT IS A SLIPERY LINE FOR TYING KNOTS THATS FOR SURE AND IT IS A LOT BETTER THAN MONO 2# AND 4# ARE MY NEW LINE. NEVER LOST A FISH BECAUSE OF BREAKING AT ALL EVEN AT THE KNOT. I USE THE IMPROVED CLINCH KNOT EXCLUSIVELY. JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT SNUGS UP ON THE EYE OF THE HOOK OR LURE. SURE IT DOES TAKE A COUPLE TIMES NOW AND THEN TO GET THE KNOT TO TAKE HOLD BUT AS I SAID NEVER LOST A FISH TO A KNOT. AS FOR ICING UP IT PERFORMED GOOD OR BETTER THAN EXPECTED. LOW MEMORY.
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I agree with Ironeagle, that I have also found fluoro to slip. I too leave a longer tag end than I would with mono. I will also admit that I use Berkley Vanish and have for years. I use the trilene knot. I know that some do not like vanish and only use leader material, but this is what I use with success.
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test results very positive,with the number of fish we catch, line abrasion at the hook was a problem,noticed very little line wear saves me from retying leaders. also didn't tangle with teeth yet, on with the test.
GOD BLESS
mo
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I am sorry to keep saying the same thing, but if you are having any knot, in any line that "slips" after you have finished tying it, that is a knot failure or it is improperly tied...
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I am sorry to keep saying the same thing, but if you are having any knot, in any line that "slips" after you have finished tying it, that is a knot failure or it is improperly tied...
its ok your right, in its inherency the knot has always been the weakest link? what knot do you recommend? im dyslexic so occasionally I tie knot backwards? thanks
GOD BLESS
mo
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For Flouro and ice fishing I most often use a Palomar Knot, wetted and pulled very tight. I would rather it breaks in my hands than on a fish. After being a fishing guide and doing seminars on knot tying for over 20 years, one thing that I have seen over and over is that many anglers, when they pull there knots tight, do not bring them up tight enough... This is a sure way to have a knot slip/move and then fail later. Not every knot I tie, I get just the way I like and when I pull it tight, that is the test... It takes practice to get to know just how much you can pull tight your line. One thing every serious angler should do is "snap" some line in you hands to get a feel for it's breaking point, only then can you know how much you can "bear down" on your knots...
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just wanna say THANKS guys for reminding me to pay closer attention to my knots......Thanks again for driving home some very valid points and pointers !!! :thumbsup:
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just wanna say THANKS guys for reminding me to pay closer attention to my knots......Thanks again for driving home some very valid points and pointers !!! :thumbsup:
I second that!
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bought some Berkley vanish to try out on my tip ups tomorrow used a improved clinch knot tested it out seem to hold like the simplicity of this knot some of these new knots take to much time and effort to tie I stick with what has worked for me for years :tipup:
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Striper nut,
Every post I come across you make I read intently. You definitely know your stuff my friend.
I second that ,nice to have him posting on here.
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I agree with what stripernut is saying I use the improved clinch or polymer and I grab my hooks with needlenose and pull pretty good on them after wetting and pulling tight I don't leave tagend sticking out or do anything to it have had a few bight offs but no knot failure
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read on the Berkley vanish floro package it state make sure you lube the knot well before drawing knot tight very important with floro
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i use 20 get alot more hits and lose some
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well guys im p------ disappointed! had a pike or toothy critter cut line like right now,its as bad as mono? never even felt his weight? was using 25# seaguar,what recommendation for # test I should use to eliminate bite offs,thanks
GOD BLESS
mo
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for now I would write that one off as bad luck bro. I have caught alot of pike and a few muskys on flouro and have had few problems with my line getting cut. My tipups are spooled with 17/20 and even 10 lb
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I use south bend invisa-leader it is a very fine steel leader about the size of #6 mono nearly invisable in water and I use it on all my tip ups for bass and toothy criters they will never bit it off and u will get more flags than heavy mono or flo carb . :tipup:
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thanks, will try again maybe I set the hook to hard like cross their eyes,you should see dominator set the hook he actually grunts :o goota get a video of him. never snapped the Dacron in 35 years might move up in # test next year GOD willing as this year almost in da bag.
GOD BLESS
mo
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On the subject of florocarbon,can someone tell me if there is any difference between what is referred to as open or warm water line and ice fishing line,
or are we paying more for less yardage ??
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I was told that it was the way it was made.....ice line was made to repell water to prevent icing.....but I'm not to sure Ive always used floro with good success
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I was wondering the same thing now that I was looking at line for the upcoming open water season.
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Mono absorbs water, Floro does not. Monos strength is on the outside edge, so if nicked it losses a higher percentage of strength then floro, which holds it strength all the way through. Some things to keep in mind when comparing the two...