I appreciate you calling it skill, really its persistence, and sonar. At the pond on oak try just putting the bait town about 8-10 feet. Open the bale, hold the rod straight out above your head and let the jig hit the ice, maybe a little less if your like 6'7", Im only about 5'10", then close the bale and start fishing. I fished the farther pond the other day and really don't know if it matters or not.