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i would call the DEC to make vsure in your state but in my state it is a tip-up. i used a home made one and had to show the warden how it worked. he thought it was neat and couldnt beleive hed never seen one!
I called DEC today and was told that Albany haven't come to a decision on the slammers. I was told to get in touch with a local encon officer and get their input.I'll try tomorrow to get in touch with one that takes care of Fulton, Hamilton and maybe Otsego countys.
I asked the NYS DEC and this is the reply I received. It is long, but is a great way to look at the question. I am probably going to print it and put it with my icefishing stuff if I buy one or build one, in case any DEC officers question it on ice...Hi Lou,We have had numerous questions similar to your over the years as different tip-up types and modifications have appeared. Here's my take on this subject, and I acknowledge up front that I am biased in favor of the fisherman, both because I fish and because I think the sportsman should be given every opportunity and every consideration when we can allow a new technique, tool or method. My take on the Slammer: it is clearly designed to be used without constant tending or handling by the angler. It is designed to operate in the same fashion as a tip-up, in that it just sits there until a fish takes the bait and trips the device to signal the angler that there has been fish activity. After the device has been tripped the fisherman comes over and pulls the fish out through the ice. We must remember that there is no definition of tip-up or fishing rod. The law ( 11-0103-12(b) ) states that each fisherman is allowed to use two lines, with or without rod. Regulations (NYCRR 10.4) allow a fisherman, when fishing through the ice to use five tip-ups in addition to two hand lines. However neither the law or rules and regs provide a definition of what a tip-up is or is not. As you know, tip-ups now come in all kinds of different shapes, configurations, styles and operational methods. There are even "tip-downs" that we have allowed fisherman to use over the years. Because there is such a wide range of types I think that we would have a very difficult time in court trying to articulate what a tip-up is or that the "Slammer" is not. And the bottom line is why do we want to restrict what fisherman can classify as a tip-up? What benefit do we or the resource gain? In this instance I think we can hang our hat on the fact that this is a device that is set up and then activated by the fish biting the bait and causing the device to signal such bite to the fisherman - just like every other tip-up out there on the ice. The "Slammer" is not designed to be held in the hand or used like a traditional fishing or jigging rod. Therefore it is a tip-up. A tip -up and tip-downs are legal as long as you are "hand lining "the rig/fish up and down , no functioning fish fighting reels . the 2 and 3 dollar plastic reels with the little knob on them might be cause for a DEC officer to question , but as long as he see you hand lining , I never had a problem in NY. A Slammer and /or Artic warrior with a jig pole inserted is one of your 2 poles and is not considered to be classified in the tip-up/tip-down category . Hope this helps If you have any further questions please let me know.
I asked the NYS DEC and this is the reply I received. It is long, but is a great way to look at the question. I am probably going to print it and put it with my icefishing stuff if I buy one or build one, in case any DEC officers question it on ice...Hi Lou,We have had numerous questions similar to your over the years as different tip-up types and modifications have appeared. Here's my take on this subject, and I acknowledge up front that I am biased in favor of the fisherman, both because I fish and because I think the sportsman should be given every opportunity and every consideration when we can allow a new technique, tool or method. My take on the Slammer: it is clearly designed to be used without constant tending or handling by the angler. It is designed to operate in the same fashion as a tip-up, in that it just sits there until a fish takes the bait and trips the device to signal the angler that there has been fish activity. After the device has been tripped the fisherman comes over and pulls the fish out through the ice. We must remember that there is no definition of tip-up or fishing rod. The law ( 11-0103-12(b) ) states that each fisherman is allowed to use two lines, with or without rod. Regulations (NYCRR 10.4) allow a fisherman, when fishing through the ice to use five tip-ups in addition to two hand lines. However neither the law or rules and regs provide a definition of what a tip-up is or is not. As you know, tip-ups now come in all kinds of different shapes, configurations, styles and operational methods. There are even "tip-downs" that we have allowed fisherman to use over the years. Because there is such a wide range of types I think that we would have a very difficult time in court trying to articulate what a tip-up is or that the "Slammer" is not. And the bottom line is why do we want to restrict what fisherman can classify as a tip-up? What benefit do we or the resource gain? In this instance I think we can hang our hat on the fact that this is a device that is set up and then activated by the fish biting the bait and causing the device to signal such bite to the fisherman - just like every other tip-up out there on the ice. The "Slammer" is not designed to be held in the hand or used like a traditional fishing or jigging rod. Therefore it is a tip-up.Lou, Something else I forgot to mention , a tip-down and tip-up's might give an indication of a bite with a flag up or the pole tiping down(tip-downs) , but a "Slammer" or arctic warrior , are tripped into setting the hook into a fish , by either spring tension or the bending of the pole when a strike comes and tripping a mechanism , totally two different things . It's the " REELS" on the poles and the way one brings a fish up that determines what classification they fall in . Tip -up's and tip-downs , you MUST hand over hand the rig/fish up to be legal with NO spinning/batcasting reel attached to the poles or dowels . If you have any further questions please let me know.
???There is a big difference between tip-ups/downs and Slammer/Artic Warriors , because your putting a fishing rod /reel into a mechanism that when tripped , hooks the fish for you , a tip-up/tip-down only gives you an "indication" that you are getting a " bite" on that pole , you still have to go over and set the hook on the latter , very big difference. Also the Slammers / Artic warriors , you can remove the rod/reel and fight the fish up through the hole , tip-up/downs you must hand over hand(no pole) the "line" up to catch a fish to be legal , I hope this all makes sense .
I would think for NY that it would count as one of the two jigpoles your allowed. They are fishing pole just set up as a slammer (hook setter). Just my .02
It all makes sense to me, but when I called Ray Brook I was told that the people in Albany haven't decided yet. Hope they can make a decision before the water gets hard.
???Wow !!!, very interesting , I'd just wish they would state specific guidelines , so if stopped , we as fisherman have something to go by in writing and at the very least have ammo to use , on different or personal interpretations of individual DEC officers . Thanks for that input !!
I was told that Mr. Lucas' opinion will be heavily weighted in making the decision.
camo, quick question? if they dont consider it a tip-up why would you need your info on it? or is that for just in case the ECO at that time consideres it a tip-up?
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